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The Quran => Q&As with Joseph Islam - Information Only => Topic started by: Amira on July 23, 2017, 11:57:04 AM
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Salam,
This is for Brother Joseph Islam. I was going through "Aggressive Mistranslations to Enslave Women," and you said the root for "and stay in your homes" is q-r-r. It's actually waqar, w-q-r, from "dignity," and Lane's Lexicon proves this. Lane's Lexicon cites W-Q-R as the correct root, and imperative is "wa qirna fi buyutikunna"--it should be read with a kasra not a fatha. Proof:
http://www.studyquran.org/LaneLexicon/Volume8/00000214.pdf
Go to the 3rd column at the top. It says clearly in Arabic, "wa QIRNA fi buyutikunna," for the root w-q-r. You have the wrong root word in your article. The correct imperative form of q-r-r is "aqrarna" and early jurists including Tabari noted this.
So you're right, the translation should read "and sit with dignity/graveness/uprightness in your homes" rather than restrictively rendering it as "stay in your homes and never leave," BUT your root verb was incorrect. Lane's clearly shows that the root is in fact from waqar, dignity.
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Reference
http://quransmessage.com/articles/aggressive%20(mis)translations%20of%20the%20quran%20to%20enslave%20women%20FM3.htm
And yes Lane's notes both readings, qirna and qarna, in the paragraph I pointed out. But the primary reading is from root Waw-Qaf-Ra. The other reading, from root Qaf-Ra-Ra, is cited as a "contraction" of the correct grammatical imperative, indicating that it's unlikely this one is correct.
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Dear Amira,
Wa alaikum assalam
I note that your second post is a more clarified post. Jazak Allah Khair for that.
I also respectfully note that Edward Lanes does indeed note both points of view and I am not sure if 'contraction' amounts to one being 'incorrect / wrong'. As you know, other, even more recent concordances place the root as mentioned in the article.
However, the gist of the article was to obtain the best meaning of the word and I understand in that you are agreed. I also trust that given some of the intended brevity of some of the articles, the focus of the article is not always to share the diversity of views of the early commentators, unless the article is written for such a purpose (Please kindly see [1] below as an example).
However, thank you for raising this. This thread will undoubtedly serve as an addendum / additional discussion to highlight what you kindly raise for other readers to remain informed on this matter.
Regards,
Joseph
REFERENCE:
[1] WASHING OR WIPING THE FEET IN WUDU (ABLUTION)?
http://quransmessage.com/articles/washing-wiping%20FM3.htm
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Thank you for the reply
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You may be interested in:
https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9600548.msg250939#msg250939
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Salam, yeah I saw that thread earlier! I was also going through the index on Project Root List (which I believe you created?) and it was listed under QRR. Both roots I mentioned seem to work, and early readings of the Quran show that grammarians have been disputing this for a long time.
I would translate it something like this: "And abide with dignity/content/uprightness in your homes, and do not make an excessive, extravagant display (of anything, wealth, beauty, greed)"--and 'tabarruj' here denotes conspicuous or provocative show-offy-ness.