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The Quran => General Discussions => Topic started by: yahya on August 24, 2016, 01:36:38 AM
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Assalam alikum i know I've asked a question simalar but to me it was not answered correctly because I think a said it wrong so I will rephrase it what are the meaning of these verses 7:172-173 like does 7:173 mean that every pagan knows that there is one god but all pagans know that there is no more than one god but worship more than one god out of arrogance
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Also what does 30:30 mean as a side note
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Any thoughts sorry
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If someone can answer this question please as well. If Joseph islam could because it's to do with your article on kuffar because it means only people who know the truth but reject it but these verses seem to say everyone knows the truth already so people who are atheists budists pagans they have no excuse if someone could answer about these two verses please as well
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What it means is just because you were born into ignorance, it doesn't mean that you will get a free pass on the Day of Judgement for continuing to reject the Truth after the Message has come.
Regards
wanderer
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Also please don't continue to demand a response from people. When people have a good response, they will answer. I once did that too and I was blocked from the forum.
Regards
wanderer
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ok thanks but that's my point the verse doesent sound like when the meassege reaches you it sounds like 7:172-173 means that if your born in a non muslim family like a budist family and you still don't hear anything about islam or the wrong thing about it that that's no excuse still no excuse being a buddist even if you believe buddisiom is real the truth sorry that's what I mean jazzakkallh like it sounds like there no excuse for ignorance even if you don't hear the truth
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I actually don't see any of this. There are explicit verses of the Quran that explicitly deny what you are saying.
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I agree totally what you are saying that's my point there are many verses in the quran what says the oppersite of what im saying but it is these 2 verses what making it sound like what I said above like there is no excuse but I know that's not right because like you said there are verses what say the oppersite so then what do these 2 verses mean because they sound like what I said above that there is no excuse so im very confused what these 2 verses mean sorry to keep bothering
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I've said it before I personally do not see this at all in these two verses. I've already shared with you my view of what they mean. The interpretation you are stating can in my mind only be deduced indirectly through these verses. My question to you is: why are you trying to seek an indirect, implicit view of these verses when there are numerous explicit verses that contradict it?
Regards
wanderer
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If someone can answer this question please as well. If Joseph islam could because it's to do with your article on kuffar because it means only people who know the truth but reject it but these verses seem to say everyone knows the truth already so people who are atheists budists pagans they have no excuse if someone could answer about these two verses please as well
Yahya,
Please refrain from badgering for responses. You have been warned and partially banned before. If you continue breaching forum policy, your account will be disabled.
Thanks
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Asalamu Alykum Yahya
In my humble opinion, verse 7:172 is giving us human beings today after reading the Quran the reminder of an oath that was taken by arguably all human souls before they entered this world. Now that God has reminded us through this revelation the Holy Quran the oath that was taken, we shall have no excuse to say we did not remember. As the Quran is now reminding us.
Or another interpolation would be that 'here is the oath that you took with God that you dont remember, "Am I not your Lord? They said: Yea, verily we testify" So here it is now reminded to you the oath in this Quran so that on the Day of Resurrection you do not say and give an excuse of this oath we were unaware.'
Verse 7:173 seems to suggest that incase you try to blame your fathers(ones following falsehood) for your destruction as you have been warned before you came to this world and after with this Quran.
This is my humble opinion. God knows best.
May God guide us even more Insha'Allah
Salam
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Thank you brother Hamzeh, you explained it better than I ever could have. Hopefully, it will help our brother Yahya.
Regards
wanderer
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Insha'Allah and your welcome brother Wanderer. Insha'Allah Allah strengthens us with each other in knowledge, wisdom, and good deeds.
Salam
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:) :)
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sorry for badging i will try to stop that sorry. but yes thank you hamzah that has ansewered my question thanks that makes lot of scense thanks jazzakkallah and thanks to wanderer as well its just hamzah explained it a bit simpler but thanks
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Assalam alikum I had answers for 7:172 -173 and I know the answer to the word kafir who knowingly reject the truth and I agree with all the answers to these answers but I have a problem with 3:85 because this verse makes it sound like any non monotheism people like athiest and pagan even if they don't hear or know the truth or hear the wrong stuff of islam or monthiest will go to hell but i know that's not right so if some one could help me out with this question that would be great
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side note just to say when I mean the answers from 7:17-173 I mean from the part 2 page witch says the meaning of these verses not the first page with 7:172-173 ok just to say jazzakkallah
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I feel that verse 3:86 perfectly answer your question.
Regards
wanderer
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Thanks but some say 3:86 doesn't belong with 3:85 because they say 3:86 is starting on a new subject because of the capital letter with 3:86 and they say when there is a capital it means that allah is starting on a new subject jazzakkallah
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No. Not it does not mean that, and frankly, I find it preposterous that someone would even try to say that.
Regards
wanderer
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Ok thanks jazzakkallah also a similar verse to 3:85 is 3:19 so how would we explain that verse the beginning of that verse thanks for all the help and sorry to keep bothering you