Contrary to popular belief,
both الجن and الانس are mortal humans ...
Salam All Please go through the Joseph Islam's article on Jinn which clarifies all about Jinn
Salute @Sardar,
How does the article you recommend translate adj. جن ?
Why do you think this word is an adjective rather than a noun?
Because, to my knowledge, the term is used as an epithet in the Qurān.
What noun in english do you see as the equivalent of QA. جن ?
Plz don't say "genie" !
It doesn't matter, description is important not the name/title. The way the Quran describes them, it looks like they are different than humans.
For instance:
We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape; Q[15:27]
And the Jinn, We had created before, from the fire of a scorching wind. Q[15:28]
And we [the Jinn] pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires. Q[72:8]
'We used, indeed, to sit there in stations, to (steal) a hearing; but any who listen now will find a flaming fire watching him in ambush. Q[72:9]
The term used in 15:28 is NOT جن but جان !!!
Learn the difference, brother.
These are humans talking,
not "genies"
Here (http://beforeitsnews.com/contributor/upload/1393/images/kaz%204.jpg)'s how a جني looks like.
you know how the Kabah was originally built by Abraham? Abraham's son Ishmael apparently migrated to Arabia, and his descendants, the pagan Arabs, messed up the Kabah and started putting idols in it.Please see below the articles below [1] [2] that might clarify some things Insha'Allah.
No doubt, Prophet Muhammad's (pbuh) affiliation with the site at Makkah was historic, possibly since childhood (2:144 - "...So We shall surely turn you to a direction of devotion / prayer (Arabic: Qiblatan) that you will be pleased with..."). This site was chosen to become the direction and Holy sanctuary for the new Muslims. It was here that the practices of old were reinstituted by Divine decree.
How did some of the beliefs and cultural elements of pagan Arabia filter into Quranic Islam? For example, Muslims believe in jinn, which came from pagan Arabia, not Abraham, right? (Please correct me if I'm mistaken.)
However, what about jinn? How did they become part of Islam? Any thoughts? :)
I read the article, and it's clear from this article that the Kabah wasn't the original "house of God" that Abraham had built. It's weird, because I was taught all my life that Abraham and Ishmael built it.
I was wondering, do you think these people actually interacted with jinn, or were jinn just a belief they made up?
Also, if the Kabah wasn't built by Abraham and didn't originally introduce the monotheistic faith, then how did the Arabs know about Allah? Or did they just invent him as one of their gods, and invent the Kabah rituals without any influence from monotheism?
hicham9:
- Can you stop making sweeping statements then disappear from the thread. You state that
'The Qurān is a book of facts, not fiction.' yet have not provided any proof from the Quran as to what jinn are.- Joseph however has and you seemed irked when another forum member requested you read his article on the matter!
- One liners are not appreciated here so as a moderator, I will be monitoring your posts and if I deem them to be time wasting I will remove you from this forum.
- You state:"Thanks but, I'd rather learn directly from the clear, Arabian Qurān."
Then what are you doing here airing your views? Why should we listen to you when you don't want anyone else to listen to Joseph or others?
Contrary to popular belief,
both الجن and الانس are mortal humans ...
The Qurān is a book of facts, not fiction.
If ye truly seek proof from the Qurān that الجن and الانس are epithets used of humans, then plz study the Qurān on your own, objectively, instead of asking me to point out the obvious, 72:6
It is fact that al jinn are a different creation to humans as the verses state:
"We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape; Q[15:27]
And the Jinn, We had created before, from the fire of a scorching wind." Q[15:28]
It clearly says that the jinn were created before man. Explain what that means to you?
الرَّجُلُ بِضَمِّ الجِيمِ وسُكونِهِ: م معروف وهو الذَّكَرُ مِنْ نَوْعِ الإنْسانِ يَخْتَصُّ به
ولذلكَ قالَ تعالى : " وَلَوْ جَعَلْنَاهُ مَلَكاً لَجَعَلْناهُ رَجُلاً
الرَّجُل معروف الذكرُ من نوع الإِنسان خلاف المرأَة
الرجل: الذكر البالغ من بني آدم
hicham9: Can you stop making sweeping statements then disappear from the thread. You state that : 'The Qurān is a book of facts, not fiction.' yet have not provided any proof from the Quran as to what jinn are. Joseph however has and you seemed irked when another forum member requested you read his article on the matter!
Salam Hicham9, when you write in Arabic, could you please translate? I can basically read Arabic, but I don't understand it, especially when it doesn't have diacriticals. I honestly have no idea what you just typed up there.
Also--this is just a request BTW--can you please change your signature at the bottom of your posts?
Or at least make the picture a bit smaller? It's confusing to scroll through everything, and it's disorienting when your signature has more content than your posts.
Salam Hicham9, when you write in Arabic, could you please translate? I can basically read Arabic, but I don't understand it, especially when it doesn't have diacriticals. I honestly have no idea what you just typed up there.
Try google translate (https://translate.google.com/), or learn Arabic !
Also--this is just a request BTW--can you please change your signature at the bottom of your posts?
Sorry, can't do !
My personal signature tells one of my core beliefs.
Ok, I'll edit my signature as soon as i get to my laptop.
Natheless, may i ask why are ye censoring what the minority wants to discuss ?
I thought this was a "quran-alone" forum ?! Doesn't the Quran advocate a planate earth (http://quranlexicon.blogspot.be/2015/08/blog-post.html?m=1) ?!?
Ok, I'll edit my signature as soon as i get to my laptop.
Natheless, may i ask why are ye censoring what the minority wants to discuss ?
I thought this was a "quran-alone" forum ?! Doesn't the Quran advocate a planate earth (http://quranlexicon.blogspot.be/2015/08/blog-post.html?m=1) ?!?
This matter has been deemed exhausted on this forum.
Program of Creation of Man on Earth, in light of Quran.
http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=1790
The Quran supports a Geocentric view of the universe? New
http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=1611.0
Geocentrism and Flat Earth in Quran II New
http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=1778.0
You are of course free to take these thoughts and express them on a more appropriate forum of your choosing or one of your own forums. This is a tightly managed forum focusing on meaningful academic debates regarding the Quran. This forum is a Quran-centric forum (Not Quran alone). You have shared your thoughts as have others. This matter is now closed and please kindly do not labour the topic or the decision that has been made. Thanks!
Hi Mod Team,
I was trying to have a "meaningful academic debate" in the thread Program of Creation of Man on Earth, in light of Quran. with Hassan but now it's closed simply because hicham said a few words in it. Could you guys not have simply blocked him in that thread or if he is breaking house rules then suspend/ban him from the forum? I just don't understand why you are going around locking threads whenever you feel like it.
My personal thoughts are that hicham should be allowed to have his own thread on the "Flat Earth" and whoever wishes can join him in it. People should be free to discuss whatever they want for however long they want as long as they are willing to and are not annoying others. Those that don't want to discuss the "Flat Earth" can simply ignore the thread like they already ignore other threads which they are not interested in.
Thanks
If this is threatened in any way, the discussions are curtailed and reoffending users warned or banned. It is really that simple.