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The Quran => General Discussions => Topic started by: Abdurrahman on September 16, 2016, 03:16:38 AM
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Allah makes Laws as He wills in the World of Command and
enforces them in the World of Creation i.e. the Universe (7:54, 85:16).
And then, He never changes them‼️
The grand empire of human learning, development, invention, science and technology would have failed to come off ground if Allah’s physical Laws in the Universe were to keep changing. Pregnancy requires the union of the male and the female chromosomes.
Allah never changes His Laws.
Therefore, the idea of a virgin birth, although popular among the Christians and Muslims,
HOW CAN WE EXPLAIN THAT FROM Qur’anic PESPECTIVE❓
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Peace Abdulrrahman.
Allah can also break the norm, show his " Ayaats" to people . i.e a miracle is something that breaks the "laws" of nature.
Qoran says Allah works/does/shows... a miracle every now and then to back up His message and Messenger.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
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http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=829.msg3111#msg3111
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Brother Joseph has already a dressed the concept of miracles and the 'God does not change his ways' quote MANY TIMES in both his Facebook postings, articles, and forum posts. I don't know how to link them here, but they are easy to find on this site nonetheless.
Regards
wanderer
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assalamu alaikum folks
Here are two topics that might give you a different perspective inshaALLAH. May ALLAH (swt) guide us to His path.
http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=829.0
http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=2040.0
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Assalamu Alaikum to all,
Dear Abdurrahman,
The case you referred to was one of 'miracle'. Although not a direct answer to your question, you may find this short piece discussing Miracles in Islam (hope the moderators don;t mind me sharing it):
On the Issue of Miracles
https://logical-islam.quora.com/on-the-issue-of-Miracles
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Assalamu Alaykum,
I would suggest to have a look at "Mohammad Shaikh" explanation which - in my opinion - is interesting :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9x5_Mf6khE&index=3&list=PLiHvquWoCItSy_YCoPJxPv7LGWksg8F7O
In summary, he explains using the Quran, that Mary was hermaphrodite, and this may explain the "Virgin Birth.
Allah know best
With peace,
Mehdi
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Shalom / peace Mehdi ....This is not interesting but pathetic. The root cause is an inability to accept Allah's miracles......Miracles were denied then as the concept of them are denied now.......I also find such explanations are a slur / insult to such a holy personality....>>>
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Duster-
I concur fully with your points, but there is no need to resort to hurtful language:)
Regards
wanderer
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Salam everyone
19:20
She said, "How can be for me a son, when not has touched me a man, and not I am unchaste?"
For me the theory, Mary was a hermaphrodite falls on its face when this ayat is studied. No one knows about their gender and sexuality more than their ownselves. Here, Mary is saying that how can she have a son when no man has touched her? And since she was not married, she said that she did not sleep with a man outside the marriage bond making use of the word 'unchaste' . But, the most important thing is that, she is aware that she can bear children if a man touches her. This proves that she knew she was a woman and a man can impregnate her. If Mary was a hermaphrodite, she would have known herself, and she would have cited that as a reason ( her hermaphroditism) to not being able to bear children. It is highly unlikely and preposterous to suggest that Mary didn't know she was a hermaphrodite. Most hermaphrodite people become aware of their hermaphroditism as adults. But, she clearly informs that she is capable of bearing children but a man has to touch her, hinting clearly that she was a woman and she was aware of that.
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Duster-
I concur fully with your points, but there is no need to resort to hurtful language:)
Regards
wanderer
Shalom / peace .... no hurtful language ... funny you should take offence given your history here on the forum ;D..... what I do find hurtful is the kind of explanations given to a holy woman when there is no proof. That's what I think we should all be more worried about. No offence intended to anyone - least alone real hermaphrodites...
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Duster-
I do not understand why you are being so rude... I even said I agree with your point... why do you have to call others pathetic... can't you just state your disagreements calmly... No one here is deliberately trying to cause offense to the Virgin Mary (peace be upon her)... indeed, that would be a great sin. As for before... I am really sorry if I offered you. Please accept my sincere apologies.
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Wanderer - why are you laboring this? Read again. I didn't call anyone pathetic - just the explanation. Keep calm. Focus on the arguments.
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I'm sorry, I just did not appreciate (what I perceived to be) an attack on my character in your second to last post. Still, no harm done.
Regards
wanderer
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Dear Nura, Alaykum assalam,
Thank you for sharing your view on this matter,
Even in our days, many hermaphrodite knows later (at the age of puberty or later and sometimes never) that they have intersex anatomy.
I do totally agree that Allah can do any miracle he wants, whether there is a logical/scientifical explanation or not.
Joseph article talking about miracle clarified things for me :
http://quransmessage.com/articles/miracles%20and%20laws%20FM3.htm
http://quransmessage.com/articles/science%20miracles%20FM3.htm
Yet, when reading the verse 3:35-36, the fact the Allah in his book the Quran emphasis (focus) on the gender of Mary could/may be a clue.
Quran 3:35-36
[Mention, O Muhammad], when the wife of 'Imran said, "My Lord, indeed I have pledged to You what is in my womb, consecrated [for Your service], so accept this from me. Indeed, You are the Hearing, the Knowing."
But when she delivered her, she said, "My Lord, I have delivered a female." And Allah was most knowing of what she delivered, "And the male is not like the female. And I have named her Mary, and I seek refuge for her in You and [for] her descendants from Satan, the expelled [from the mercy of Allah ]."
There is a reason for Allah to mention any event in the Quran, this one IMHO seems to match the "intersex" explanation, specially when he says "And Allah was most knowing of what she delivered", like there is some denial on the fact that she is (only) a female,
Also the another interesting/"could be related" verse :
Quran 42:49-50
To Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth; He creates what he wills. He gives to whom He wills female [children], and He gives to whom He wills males.
"Or He makes them [both] males and females", and He renders whom He wills barren. Indeed, He is Knowing and Competent.
>> Or He makes them [both] males and females : Is this talking about Humans that have intersexe anatomy ? we could argue that it matches also :)
We must be aware that Humans who have "intersexe" represent a considerable percent of the population of the earth, they are Human and creation of God in the same level as any gender, but with intersex anatomy, there is no reason to see the explanation that Mary the Mother of Jesus as she has an 'intersex anatomy' as hurtful/offensive/inappropriate, it's rather thinking so which could irritate/offend anyone who is "intersex". By the way, this verse could represents another great miracle of the Quran.
Of course, Allah knows best
With peace,
Mehdi
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Quran 3:35-36
[Mention, O Muhammad], when the wife of 'Imran said, "My Lord, indeed I have pledged to You what is in my womb, consecrated [for Your service], so accept this from me. Indeed, You are the Hearing, the Knowing."
But when she delivered her, she said, "My Lord, I have delivered a female." And Allah was most knowing of what she delivered, "And the male is not like the female. And I have named her Mary, and I seek refuge for her in You and [for] her descendants from Satan, the expelled [from the mercy of Allah ]."
There is a reason for Allah to mention any event in the Quran, this one IMHO seems to match the "intersex" explanation, specially when he says "And Allah was most knowing of what she delivered", like there is some denial on the fact that she is (only) a female,
Dear Mehdi,
As-salamu alaykum
The verse has a context. The prayer of the mother was to dedicate the child to God's service. As has been the case throughout antiquity and history, such religious leaders, great prophets' and messengers had in the main, arguably been men. However, it was a surprise that that despite the mother's prayer to dedicate her child to God's service alone (3:35), she was delivered a female (verse 3:36). This rather captures the thought of the day (given the mother's surprise) and still at present of 'religious leadership'.
Rather, God disassociated ultimate piety being associated with any gender. With respect and in my humble view, there is little to no support for your view and at best, leans towards confirmation bias.
THE VIRGIN BIRTH OF PROPHET JESUS (pbuh)
http://quransmessage.com/articles/virgin-birth%20FM3.htm
Regards,
Joseph
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Salam Mehdi
I am sorry but I do not see eye to with you on this topic and I have multiple reasons to back me up.
3:33
Indeed, Allah chose Adam and Nuh, and (the) family (of) Ibrahim and (the) family (of) Imran over the worlds.
3:34
Descendants, some of them from others. And Allah (is) All-Hearing, All-Knowing.
3:35
When [she] said (the) wife (of) Imran, "My Lord! Indeed, I vowed to You what (is) in my womb, dedicated, so accept from me. Indeed, You, You (are) the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.
3:36
Then when she delivered her, she said, "My Lord, indeed I (have) delivered [her] a female." And Allah knows better [of] what she delivered, and is not the male like the female. "And that I (have) named her Maryam and that I seek refuge for her in You and her offspring from the Shaitaan the rejected."
3:37
So accepted her, her Lord with acceptance good, and reared her - a rearing good, and put her in (the) care (of) Zakariya. Whenever entered Zakariya in her [the] prayer chamber he found with her provision. He said, "O Maryam! From where for you (is) this?" She said, "This (is) from Allah. Indeed, Allah gives provision (to) whom He wills without measure."
With all due respect, we should let the Quran speak and do all that we can to not do anything to conform the verses to suit our worldview.
There is absolutely nothing in the verses above suggesting Mary was anything but a woman. Mary belonged to the family of Imran and God informed us that He chose the family of Imran and some of their descendants for His purpose. Many of the messengers and prophets were from the family of Imran and God's chosen members of this family were all males. Only male descendents were chosen to serve God's purpose. Mary's mother only prayed so that she could have a son and that son could also be of service to God. As per God's rule only males were chosen as messengers and prophets, so understandably Mary's mother became disappointed because up until that time only males from her family were chosen as God's special people. So she was simply disappointed. But God informs us that eventhough Mary's mother was sad that her female offspring won't be used by God in service like that as a male offspring but Allah accepted her baby and eventhough Mary was a female, God had plans for her. God chose Mary over all females. This is the message of verses 3:35 -3:36
By 'My lord I had delivered.....' She was just stating a fact that females were not traditionally chosen as God's agents and Mary's mother was dissapointed.
And by' God knew what she had delivered...' It is a hint that eventhough Mary's mother did not know at that time who she just gave birth to, but God knew who Mary was and she was not like any other woman and she had a purpose to serve in God's plan. A purpose no woman has ever served till now . Mary was special that is what is hinted here. Gender is not of importance in these verses (atleast from God's point of view, He did not mind that Mary was a girl) . The verses are talking about how a female is not traditionally God's chosen agent.
There is no denial that Mary was a female, this is confirmation bias on your part sorry to say.
Moreover, throughout the Bible, Mary is referred to as a woman. We have an entire surah dedicated to Mary and a lot of verses where Allah clarifies religious concepts that have become unclear in the Bible. Never has Mary been thought of or referred to as anything than a woman in the Bible and the Quran. If Mary was not a woman, than God would have corrected our understanding in the Quran. God has corrected a lot of misunderstandings/misreadings in the Bible in the Quran.
Again 42:49-50, says God decides who He gives only sons or only daughters or a bunch of kids both male children and female children. And He choses to make some people childless. This is not a reference to intersex children. This verse was never understood like that and is still not.
Direct word for word translation does not allow us to have any doubt that this is again a confirmation bias on your part.
42:49
To Allah (belongs the) dominion (of) the heavens and the earth. He creates what He wills. He grants to whom He wills females, and He grants to whom He wills [the] males.
42:50
Or He grants them males and females; and He makes whom He wills barren. Indeed, He (is) All-Knower, All-Powerful.
I sincerely hope in the future we all will let the Quran speak rather than twist its words to fit a certain worldview.
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Salam Brother Joseph
I was writing my reply when u posted ur reply. Sorry, if it was disrespectful. If, deemed correct the moderators can remove my post. Your answer is concise , to the point and not to mention much shorter than mine. I didn't mean any disrespect to anyone.
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Dear Nura and Joseph,
Thank you for your view/clarification,
I must admit, I have never seen this subject from the perspective you have presented, which seems to me even clearer,
I do feel that at no time I have tried to "twist" the word of the Quran, and I ask Allah forgiveness If I did so (or let you feel that I did).
The explanation of "Intersex" as presented seemed plausible from my point of view, it's as simple as that.
With Peace,
Mehdi
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I'm sorry, but it seems like saying Mary was intersex is a denial of the miracle. There's nothing in the Quran that explicitly supports this, so you're basically introducing a doctrine and trying to make the Quran confirm it. That's not going to work out well. Of course none of us are trying to insult her, and I'm not saying it's an insult, but there is no explicit evidence for the idea. :)
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Salam Brother Joseph
I was writing my reply when u posted ur reply. Sorry, if it was disrespectful. If, deemed correct the moderators can remove my post. Your answer is concise , to the point and not to mention much shorter than mine. I didn't mean any disrespect to anyone.
Please do not apologise my dear sister. Your response was neither disrespectful nor out of turn. Rather, I was pleased to read another point of view affirming my own humble perspective, argued from the Quran.
May you be in peace always, God willing.
As-salamu alaykum
Your brother in faith,
Joseph
PS: Thank you all that have contributed to the thread. :)
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peace all,
Arguably, confirmation bias is present in both sides of this argument.
Firstly, intersex is a possibility, as per Quran.
Secondly, looking into it further it seems "muharraran" (3:35) may not mean "dedicated" as commonly translated, and could well mean "liberated/freeborn".
And lastly the phrase "AAlamu bima / God knows better/best with what X..." is commonly used in a context where the people might think/experience one thing or do not know something but God knows the truth which frequently does not match what the people think/experience. I haven't studied every occurrence, but seems to allow for the possibility of intersex. To rule this possibility out or claim there is zero evidence for this, would be a lean towards confirmation bias.
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Salam Wakas and everyone
19:16
Waothkur fee alkitabi maryama ithi intabathat min ahliha makanan
Please see the Arabic Quran, here 'intabahat' is translated as 'she withdrew'. In the Arabic lanquage a girl is called unta/inta, the roots for the words are same . Please check a lexicon for further clarification/verification.
19:17
Faittakhathat min doonihim hijaban faarsalna ilayha roohana fatamaththala laha basharan sawiyyan
Here 'Faittakhathat' is translated as 'then she took'. The Arabic word for girl here is 'fattah'. Please check lexicon.
These are commonly known Arabic words for a female and can be easily verified. Both have been used to refer to Mary. I would much rather take the Quran's word for Mary's gender, clearly female, rather than a theory with no explicit proof from the Quran.The Quran uses Arabic words that mean a female/woman when it talks about Mary.
I would like to draw attention to surah 19 where the birth of Jesus is not the only miracle birth being discussed. The birth of Yahya to Zachariya and his barren wife is also a miracle. The birth of a child to an old man and a barren woman without scientific intervention is also a miracle that science cannot explain. There was no IVF during those times. Without external help and modern medical help such a pregnancy during those times (and even today) was unthinkable and a miracle. The Quran is replete with examples of miracle births. Jesus was not the only miracle child. Yahya, Jesus, Adam are people whose births are talked about as miracles and were only possible because of not-so-normal-divine interventions. I have provided explanations for my beliefs and this is probably my last post on this topic.
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peace all,
Arguably, confirmation bias is present in both sides of this argument.
Firstly, intersex is a possibility, as per Quran.
Shalom / peace. Where does it say that intersex is possible in the Quran and a human can self impregnate and create a new life????
So we have:
1. Miracles happening in the past - Quran confirms this
2. Miracles stopped by God 》》
3. Miracle of virgin birth - Confirmed by both Quran and Bible - the Quran doesn't say Bible is wrong in this issue
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1. Rare or impossible occurence of a human with two functional sexes self impregnating 》》》
2. Denial of a miracle
3. Denial of a well known BIble story which the Quran supports without challenging it ......》》
Which pov has most probability of correctness and which is confirmation bias????
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Wikipedia:
Confirmation bias (also called confirmatory bias or myside bias) is the tendency of people to favor information that confirms their beliefs or hypotheses. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs. People also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position.
Those who listen to what is being said, then follow the best of it.
These are the ones God has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence.
[Al Quran, 39:18]
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Salam Wakas
Can u comment about why the Quran uses the Arabic words for women to refer to Mary? The Quran mentions effeminate men. Men with no desire for women. If Mary was not a female, God could have used other words to describe her. The Quran is aware of different genders and the fluidity of sexuality and multiplicity of gender. Why words that stand for female? Why do u not want to believe the Quran especially when it says she was a woman? U have provided no explicit evidence from the Quran and from ur own admission u have not read all the verses regarding Mary! Why prefer a theory more? U seem to suggest the Quran is ambiguous about Mary's gender. This is not at all true. There is no ambiguity and the Quran speaks with certainty when it uses the Arabic words for women. If the Quran and Bible was silent about Mary's gender, I would have considered this theory of yours but the Quran and Bible both are not ambiguous nor are they silent regarding this matter!
I would appreciate it if you did not make personal comments about our intentions and intelligence by quoting verses from the Quran and insinuating that we have an agenda. With respect we have given explicit proofs about our beliefs and u have provided zero explicit evidence. Moreover, u admitted u have not studied all the relevant verses. Don't you think you should study all of them before making such a claim about a well established Quranic and Biblical belief?
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Sorry Wakas , I misunderstood your previous post to mean you have not read all the verses regarding Mary, I reread ur post and got that u meant u haven't read/scrutinised all the occurences of the Arabic phrase u mentioned. Extremely sorry. :) It was wrong of me to say that u haven't studied all the verses related to Mary. But can u please answer my other qustions directed to you.
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Wikipedia:
Confirmation bias (also called confirmatory bias or myside bias) is the tendency of people to favor information that confirms their beliefs or hypotheses. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs. People also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position.
Those who listen to what is being said, then follow the best of it.
These are the ones God has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence.
[Al Quran, 39:18]
Shalom / peace. Thanks for the wikipedia reference, but I know what the phrase meant ...... However, doesn't change my position ... thanks anyway ....
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peace Nura,
I do not wish to enter into a lengthy discussion, but I will reply as you have asked and I will assume you are sincere in your quest for the truth.
Salam Wakas
Can u comment about why the Quran uses the Arabic words for women to refer to Mary?
We are already told in Quran that mary has the appearance of a female when she was born. Assuming you have read up on intersex, you will know they can appear female on the outside also. And if you have read up on it you will know that an intersex self-fertilisation is highly improbable but theoretically possible, thus would still qualify as a "virgin birth" / "miracle", which negates some of the points made in this thread.
In Arabic, like other languages, gender is assigned to objects, regardless, and it does not necessarily mean that object is male/female. If you know of a gender-neutral suffix/pronoun in Arabic that could have been used in the examples you gave then feel free to share.
Thus, I have little issue with the Quran referring to mary as female, and even if I did, I wouldn't consider this enough evidence to rule out the possibility of intersex.
Now that I have replied to your request. Here is mine for you - please highlight all examples of unevidenced claims, assumptions and confirmation bias that you have made in your posts in this thread. I count at least 5.
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Asalamu Alykum
Dear brother Wakas
From reading this post and others i am assuming from your perspective that intersex is something that happens in humans although it is very very rare?
Or at least from your perspective that Marry was a intersex and your saying that there is other humans who have this condition and also became pregnant without the interference of another human being?
Can you please give me a reference where an intersex human delivered a child on its own?
I apologize if I am assuming your views incorrectly
Salam
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Salam Wakas
I am aware of the absence of gender neutral words in Arabic. And thank u for clarifying that u don't consider the Quran calling Mary female as enough evidence for her being female. But for me the Bible and Quran calling her a female is the evidence that she was a female.
For your information, I have read up on intersex and the possibility of a pregnancy. I never claimed u were denying a miracle pregnancy, I understood that your version of Mary's miracle pregnancy constitutes pregnancy of an intersex.
But, biologically speaking intersex people rarely have fully grown and functional male or female reproductive organs and moreover the possibility of a self-impregnation is more rare hence I understand why u r claiming this to be the miracle rather than a normal female being impregnated without a male. Maybe, this is easy for u to accept for me both is easy to accept. But, since the Bible and Quran both call Mary a female and God knows whether a person is only a female from outside or also on the genetic level, I will believe God and believe that she was a full female.
You believe, God calls Mary a female in both the Bible and the Quran because she looked like a female but genetically she was an intersex. But, I believe she was a female on genetic level as well because she was called a female. I am aware that I cannot prove this without genetic testing and neither can u prove ur point without genetic testing . So, we have reached an impasse.
My reason for believing Mary was a female is the usage of the words that stand for female for Mary in both the Bible and Quran. I will say to God, if I am asked to defend my beliefs, that I believed Mary to be both genetically and phenotypically a female because the Quran and Bible called her a female. Not something that was neither implied in scripture nor there was any explicit proof from scripture or outside scripture to assume that she was not a female.
With respect, u r claiming confirmation bias on my part, why should I highlight them for you? The burden of proof is on u to provide that I committed confirmation bias. I simply asked u why u did'nt believe Mary was a female eventhough the Quran uses the Arabic words for a female to describe her, I do not see why u got offended! I did apologise for misunderstanding u and I meant it. I did ask u for an explanation, because I truly wanted to understand your point, not to dismiss it without warrant!
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Salam All
43:19
they have made the angels, who are servants of the Most Merciful, females. Did they witness their creation? Their testimony will be recorded, and they will be questioned.
We can see that in 49:13, God corrects an assumption about the angels' gender. From this we learn that God corrects our understanding whenever we make assumptions about creations of which we do not have any idea. God did not make any such claims or corrections about Mary when the people called her a female. God did not correct the Biblical understanding that Mary was a female. If u r not genetically a female, u r not a female, no matter what u look like outside.
We are asked did we witness the creation of angels that we assume they are females? God is clearly admonishing us for making such assumptions about things of which we are not witnesses. Our speech will be recorded and we will be asked to provide proof for our beliefs.
I have not witnessed Mary's creation so I cannot say Mary was an intersex with any certainty, and I cannot provide proofs for such a belief. Mary was an intersex remains an assumption with no explicit proof from scripture or any other credible source. I do not want to make that assumption about Mary. It remains a possibility, that Mary was an intersex person, but this possibility is without any warrant from scripture or other credible sources. No one can surely say that Mary was an intersex person with explicit proof. But Mary was a female is also a possibility, one with justification from scripture and other sources outside scripture.
For believing Mary was a female, I can quote the Quran and Bible to God as an explanation for my beliefs and also the fact that the scripture made no explicit indication that Mary was an intersex. The verses quoted as implicit proofs for believing that Mary was intersex, have alternate interpretations/ explanations. Both Brother Joseph and I have provided alternative interpretation/ explanations for those verses. Some people have found our explanations unacceptable. That is their prerogative. The Quran did not make any attempts to correct the Biblical understanding about Mary's gender and pregnancy. But made many declarations that Mary was a female:
1) God makes use of the word for female to refer to Mary in both Bible and Quran i.e God calls Mary a female
2) Mary's mother calls her a female in Quran and Bible
3) Mary herself calls her a female in Quran and Bible
People in sources outside scripture also called Mary a female:
1)Mary's contemporary knew her as a female
2)Past and present believers of the Bible and Quran call her a female
Thus, I would also call her a female simply because I can provide justifications for such a belief rather than assumptions that have no concrete basis neither from scripture nor from other credible sources.
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Dear Hamzeh
salaam/peace,
From reading this post and others i am assuming from your perspective that intersex is something that happens in humans although it is very very rare?
Correct.
Or at least from your perspective that Marry was a intersex and your saying that there is other humans who have this condition and also became pregnant without the interference of another human being?
I am saying mary being intersex is a possibility.
Can you please give me a reference where an intersex human delivered a child on its own?
I have not studied it in detail, but here are some references:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19155947
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/4767456/Science-of-the-Virgin-Birth.html
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Salam
The news of an intersex pregnancy, resulting from self-impregnation, occuring to someone who is not Mary proves that Mary was not an intersex. How?
The Quran declares that Mary was chosen as a sign, over all of womankind/ intersex (according to some people). Mary herself was also a sign of God, her virgin pregnancy was one of the signs. No woman till date gave birth as a virgin. If a virgin pregnancy of an intersex occurs, which one of the links by Wakas says there are 11 reported cases of pregnancies in true hermaphrodites, but the paper does not say that these pregnancies were virgin pregnancies and a result of self-inpregnation or self fertilization. But all of these 11 pregnancies could have resulted from mating, the article is silent on this. As long as this issue is not clear it proves only that hermaphrodites can become pregnant and give birth to boys. All 11 cases resulted in the birth of boy babies.
This link below shows that self-impregnation occured at least once in someone who is an intersex:
http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/hermaphrodite-impregnates-self-gives-birth-to-hermaphrodite-twins/#comment-395909
This happened, then Mary was conclusively not an intersex simply because then Mary only does not remain the chosen one. Mary was to be the only virgin woman mother in the history of mankind, the Quran says so, that it has chosen Mary over all female humans. The birth of a messenger through a human set of parents or a messenger having a mother is not a miracle. Every messenger had a human mother, except Adam. But, Mary was the only woman till date to give birth as a virgin. Another intersex person already accomplished this feat, then Mary was undoubtedly a woman, otherwise Mary no longer remains the only chosen one! If and only if Mary was a true genetic woman, does the Quran remain true to it's claims and Mary's pregnancy remains the one true virgin miracle pregnancy of a genetic woman.
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Dears,
I have read your post. Thank you kindly for taking the time to reply to my article. Allah guide all of us to the straight path.
With peace and respect,
Abdurrahman