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Title: Can verse 30:17 refers Maghrib prayer? (tum'sūna)
Post by: Sstikstof on December 11, 2015, 08:36:32 PM
Salamun Alaikum, Brothers
I have a little doubt.

Can verse 30:17 refers Maghrib prayer (Entering upon Evening)? (tum'sūna - تُمْسُونَ) or Maghrib and Isha both???
Title: Re: Can verse 30:17 refers Maghrib prayer? (tum'sūna)
Post by: Wakas on December 12, 2015, 08:33:32 AM
the word "salat" is not mentioned therein

Some people assume the words "hamd" / "sabih" refer to "salat" - this is an assumption.

If you want to review a detailed analysis:
http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-SaBiH-from-Quran.html
Title: Re: Can verse 30:17 refers Maghrib prayer? (tum'sūna)
Post by: Sstikstof on December 13, 2015, 01:07:06 PM
According to Joseph islams article and we already know that salat is mentioned as periods in quran. I saw ur two rakat theory wakas. I hope Joseph Islam could answer my questions.
Title: Re: Can verse 30:17 refers Maghrib prayer? (tum'sūna)
Post by: Wakas on December 13, 2015, 08:41:54 PM
I dont have a two rakat theory.

I recommend re-reading.
Title: Re: Can verse 30:17 refers Maghrib prayer? (tum'sūna)
Post by: Sstikstof on December 14, 2015, 03:50:27 PM
I have read it. You meant timed sbh doesn't refer to salat or prayer.
Title: Re: Can verse 30:17 refers Maghrib prayer? (tum'sūna)
Post by: Wakas on December 15, 2015, 07:00:45 AM
Once again, you are incorrect about my position. Quote from article:

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It is commonly interpreted that the timed-SBH verses refer to the regular/timed bond/salat of the believers/mumineen. The timings possibly coincide, thus for sake of argument let us assume this is true....

In case it is not obvious, I am saying it is possible timed-SBH can refer to timed-salat. In the article, I treat it as if it is that, for sake of argument, but even doing so, it still arrives at a minimum of two daily timed-salat. However, let's be clear, it is an assumption to equate timed-SBH with timed-salat.

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I have to ask, since you have mistook my view twice, why is that?

Title: Re: Can verse 30:17 refers Maghrib prayer? (tum'sūna)
Post by: Sstikstof on December 15, 2015, 12:44:28 PM
the word "salat" is not mentioned therein

Some people assume the words "hamd" / "sabih" refer to "salat" - this is an assumption.

If you want to review a detailed analysis:
http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-SaBiH-from-Quran.html

You said in here salat is not mentioned. thats why i said ur not referring timed sbh to salat as it is one. And in your article, if timings coincide, how can it be only two timed sbh daily? when there are more singular references. And there is no "If" as for we are confirmed that timed sbh is accurately dedicated to timed salat. As joseph islam said in an article, "Dont complicate the religion". So im not trying to do that.
Title: Re: Can verse 30:17 refers Maghrib prayer? (tum'sūna)
Post by: Wakas on December 16, 2015, 07:18:18 AM
And in your article, if timings coincide, how can it be only two timed sbh daily? when there are more singular references.

It seems you already alluded to the answer, and that is the singular address. I assume you have read the article. If you want to take a singular address verse and make it compulsory for all, that's up to you. I only do so if the evidence is solid.

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And there is no "If" as for we are confirmed that timed sbh is accurately dedicated to timed salat.

No-one that I am aware of, has ever written an article analysing ALL timed-SBH verses and shown how they coincide perfectly with timed-salat verses in Quran. If you are aware of such a link, please show us here. If you cannot find one, try to write one yourself, and if you fail, perhaps it will give you some insight why no-one has written one.



Title: Re: Can verse 30:17 refers Maghrib prayer? (tum'sūna)
Post by: Sstikstof on December 17, 2015, 03:23:34 PM
You are complicating yourself & to me too. There are plural addresses & singular address in verse 30:17-18. If you singles out verse 30:17, it says part of the days as plural as far as ive realized. But if you find plural & singular addresses in a single verse, then you have to mean plural address to other part of the day as another part already mentioned as singular in that verse. And for morning/evening periods as plural, these verses actually meant other things as general purpose (not prayer periods) with praying entire days. This is my general & simple opinion for these issues.
As Joseph Islam said,
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For example:

"And do not send away those who call upon their Lord at morning (ghudw) and evening (ashiyy)" - 6:52

"And be patient yourself with those who call upon their Lord at morning (ghudw) and evening (ashiyy)..." - 18:28

Of course, this does not mean that one is thus permissible to send away or be impatient with those that call upon their lord in the afternoon or those who summon their Lord at other parts of the day. As I am sure you will agree, this would be an unwarranted, quite preposterous suggestion. [b]This is simply a reference to those who call upon their Lord with regularity and consistency. [/b]
Title: Re: Can verse 30:17 refers Maghrib prayer? (tum'sūna)
Post by: Wakas on December 18, 2015, 08:44:07 PM
I'm not sure if you have read the article. In it, it links to discussion of 30:17-18. It also discusses the issue you raise about morning/evening, whether it means all the time etc albeit not those specific verses.

Note how you assume they meant other things. That's two assumptions so far, e.g. timed-SBH=timed-salat and morning/evening do not mean at those two times. I do not necessarily disagree, but it's handy noting the assumptions in one's views. Total them up, see which view has the least etc.

In any case, let me know IF you find an article analysing ALL timed-SBH verses. Till then, peace out.
Title: Re: Can verse 30:17 refers Maghrib prayer? (tum'sūna)
Post by: Sstikstof on December 18, 2015, 09:46:24 PM
Please first note that no one in this world can satisfy you if ure trying to find greater details in quran and trust noones interpretation even if thats satisfactory. I'm telling you that because I also faced this situation. I have analysed so many interpretations and finally joseph was satisfactory whose article make sense. Secondly, I've checked all timed sbh and found no problem in them where glorification is added. Third, in 30:17 this meant entering upon morning/evening, not only morning/evening. That's why, it is belonged to timed sbh which mean salat periods, but I was confused that exactly which periods are referred in this verse.
Title: Re: Can verse 30:17 refers Maghrib prayer? (tum'sūna)
Post by: Wakas on December 19, 2015, 08:36:36 AM
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Please first note that no one in this world can satisfy you if ure trying to find greater details in quran and trust noones interpretation even if thats satisfactory.

I ask you to please refrain from claiming XYZ about me or my view.


Let's just stick to the facts...

Your assumptions so far:

1) timed-SBH=timed-salat (according to your own criteria I imagine)
2) singular address means plural address
3) morning/evening doesn't mean at those times only
4) your own analysis of all timed-SBH verses is sound (despite no-one ever publishing an article about it so this can be scrutinised)


In case it is not obvious (assuming you have read the article) I have no problem with 30:17 being plural, meaning when you reach morning/evening.

I'm simply pointing out your assumptions. It's not necessarily wrong to make assumptions here and there, but when someone reacts negatively to having them pointed out, that should ring alarm bells, strongly suggesting they are emotionally attached to their view, thus judgement clouded, biased etc.
Title: Re: Can verse 30:17 refers Maghrib prayer? (tum'sūna)
Post by: good logic on December 19, 2015, 03:22:52 PM
Peace brothers.

Wakas, as you well know, this salat issue is ongoing and will continue.

I believe the brothers and sisters who ask questions about salat are doing so with honesty. They want reassurance and as many views as it takes ,if they are not satisfied.

With respect,brother, I have read your article on "salat", and it leaves the reader with more questions than answers.I agree you are analysing the verses and  your aim is to  study the verses and dissect what is said in them. However there is salvation and obeying a message at stake.
 GOD has chosen "Arabic" for His last message. Why? __ Let me touch on it here a little bit_:
For example here is a verse about salat:

أَقِمِ الصَّلوٰةَ لِدُلوكِ الشَّمسِ إِلىٰ غَسَقِ الَّيلِ وَقُرءانَ الفَجرِ إِنَّ قُرءانَ الفَجرِ كانَ مَشهودًا

What  do you say to this explanation:  All the 5 daily salat are included here, why?:

1- LIDULUKI--The letter "LI"implies repetition ( more than two,at least three, because there is a different  word for two in Arabic)  The sun declines during the three parts of its daily cycle __Noon to Afternoon, Afternoon to sunset and sunset to "Ghasak " darkness. One could argue here about the parts ,but it is commonly known that these are the only three parts of the sun cycle known by the whole world between midday and the darkness of the night.
2- "GHASSAKI" means when it is dark in the night. One part.

3-  "Wa,Qorani Alfajr"--Wa implies as well as ...do such..i.e  as well as "Aquimi salat at fajr, study/read Qoran also. ( Qoran study at fajr is very beneficial,we will not go into this here)

Hence  5 different parts of the 24 hour cycle mentioned for " Aquimi salat"...i.e 5  daily salat!

Now ,let us give the definition of day night ,here  from Qoran:
91:1
By the sun and its brightness.
وَالشَّمسِ وَضُحىٰها
91:2
The moon that follows it.
وَالقَمَرِ إِذا تَلىٰها
91:3
The day that reveals.
وَالنَّهارِ إِذا جَلّىٰها
91:4
The night that covers.
وَالَّيلِ إِذا يَغشىٰها
Basically day is when the sun is visible- Above the horizon - and night is when the sun is covered-- below the horizon.

Notice GOD was precise not to specifically say day or night in the verse. GOD used "Duluki shams" and "Ghassaki al lail".Hence five parts of the 24 hour cycle mentioned in the verse?

Anyway ,just thought I will throw another angle.
GOD bless.
Peace brothers.
Title: Re: Can verse 30:17 refers Maghrib prayer? (tum'sūna)
Post by: Sstikstof on December 19, 2015, 03:29:17 PM
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Please first note that no one in this world can satisfy you if ure trying to find greater details in quran and trust noones interpretation even if thats satisfactory.

I ask you to please refrain from claiming XYZ about me or my view.


Let's just stick to the facts...

Your assumptions so far:

1) timed-SBH=timed-salat (according to your own criteria I imagine)
2) singular address means plural address
3) morning/evening doesn't mean at those times only
4) your own analysis of all timed-SBH verses is sound (despite no-one ever publishing an article about it so this can be scrutinised)


1. This is not my assumption. This is evidence from joseph islam as well as so many other muslims which satisfies condition of traditional salat.
As Joseph Islam said to you previously,
The fact that 'sbh' is used in other contexts in the Quran was never in dispute. However, it remains noteworthy when 'sbh' is used with a specific period of the day. As a crude example, If God said glorify me at 2pm, what would that mean? As mentioned, particular periods of the day have been given specific mention to establish salaat or to extol his glory. We find such use of 'sbh' in verse 30:17 as a part of the day to extol God's glory:
“Therefore glory be to God when you enter upon the time of the evening (Arabic: tum'suna) and when you enter upon the time of the morning (Arabic: tus'bihun)”. (30:17)


2. I never said singular means plural address. Please read again.  I said plural address time periods can be referred to other parts when singular time period separately be mentioned in same verse together.

3. This is right.

4. As i have said that its not my own analysis. This is known by all traditional muslims including sunni & shia.

My humble request is that please stop confusing people around you.
Title: Re: Can verse 30:17 refers Maghrib prayer? (tum'sūna)
Post by: Sstikstof on December 19, 2015, 03:33:47 PM
Peace brothers.

Wakas, as you well know, this salat issue is ongoing and will continue.

I believe the brothers and sisters who ask questions about salat are doing so with honesty. They want reassurance and as many views as it takes ,if they are not satisfied.

With respect,brother, I have read your article on "salat", and it leaves the reader with more questions than answers.I agree you are analysing the verses and  your aim is to  study the verses and dissect what is said in them. However there is salvation and obeying a message at stake.
 GOD has chosen "Arabic" for His last message. Why? __ Let me touch on it here a little bit_:
For example here is a verse about salat:

أَقِمِ الصَّلوٰةَ لِدُلوكِ الشَّمسِ إِلىٰ غَسَقِ الَّيلِ وَقُرءانَ الفَجرِ إِنَّ قُرءانَ الفَجرِ كانَ مَشهودًا

What  do you say to this explanation:  All the 5 daily salat are included here, why?:

1- LIDULUKI--The letter "LI"implies repetition ( more than two,at least three, because there is a different  word for two in Arabic)  The sun declines during the three parts of its daily cycle __Noon to Afternoon, Afternoon to sunset and sunset to "Ghasak " darkness. One could argue here about the parts ,but it is commonly known that these are the only three parts of the sun cycle known by the whole world between midday and the darkness of the night.
2- "GHASSAKI" means when it is dark in the night. One part.

3-  "Wa,Qorani Alfajr"--Wa implies as well as ...do such..i.e  as well as "Aquimi salat at fajr, study/read Qoran also. ( Qoran study at fajr is very beneficial,we will not go into this here)

Hence  5 different parts of the 24 hour cycle mentioned for " Aquimi salat"...i.e 5  daily salat!

Now ,let us give the definition of day night ,here  from Qoran:
91:1
By the sun and its brightness.
وَالشَّمسِ وَضُحىٰها
91:2
The moon that follows it.
وَالقَمَرِ إِذا تَلىٰها
91:3
The day that reveals.
وَالنَّهارِ إِذا جَلّىٰها
91:4
The night that covers.
وَالَّيلِ إِذا يَغشىٰها
Basically day is when the sun is visible- Above the horizon - and night is when the sun is covered-- below the horizon.

Notice GOD was precise not to specifically say day or night in the verse. GOD used "Duluki shams" and "Ghassaki al lail".Hence five parts of the 24 hour cycle mentioned in the verse?

Anyway ,just thought I will throw another angle.
GOD bless.
Peace brothers.

I agree with good logic.
Title: Re: Can verse 30:17 refers Maghrib prayer? (tum'sūna)
Post by: Sstikstof on December 19, 2015, 07:29:58 PM
Peace brothers.

Wakas, as you well know, this salat issue is ongoing and will continue.

I believe the brothers and sisters who ask questions about salat are doing so with honesty. They want reassurance and as many views as it takes ,if they are not satisfied.

With respect,brother, I have read your article on "salat", and it leaves the reader with more questions than answers.I agree you are analysing the verses and  your aim is to  study the verses and dissect what is said in them. However there is salvation and obeying a message at stake.
 GOD has chosen "Arabic" for His last message. Why? __ Let me touch on it here a little bit_:
For example here is a verse about salat:

أَقِمِ الصَّلوٰةَ لِدُلوكِ الشَّمسِ إِلىٰ غَسَقِ الَّيلِ وَقُرءانَ الفَجرِ إِنَّ قُرءانَ الفَجرِ كانَ مَشهودًا

What  do you say to this explanation:  All the 5 daily salat are included here, why?:

1- LIDULUKI--The letter "LI"implies repetition ( more than two,at least three, because there is a different  word for two in Arabic)  The sun declines during the three parts of its daily cycle __Noon to Afternoon, Afternoon to sunset and sunset to "Ghasak " darkness. One could argue here about the parts ,but it is commonly known that these are the only three parts of the sun cycle known by the whole world between midday and the darkness of the night.
2- "GHASSAKI" means when it is dark in the night. One part.

3-  "Wa,Qorani Alfajr"--Wa implies as well as ...do such..i.e  as well as "Aquimi salat at fajr, study/read Qoran also. ( Qoran study at fajr is very beneficial,we will not go into this here)

Hence  5 different parts of the 24 hour cycle mentioned for " Aquimi salat"...i.e 5  daily salat!

Peace Brother Good Logic. In this statement I want you to be assured of Joseph Islam's approach as member of this forum. In one of his article I have found it is being said,

Author:
Whilst the author is to be commended for stating there are two options for the phrase "duluk as-shams" in 17:78, one of the resultant interpretations cited is not possible according to the Arabic, quote:
"Therefore depending on the lean as to which interpretation one favours of the term ‘sun’s decline’ (i.e. whether from zenith or towards sunset) will determine whether one accepts this as a reference to all prayers from noon to sunset (Dhuhr, Asr and Maghrib) or exclusively to 'Maghrib'."

It cannot be a reference to "all prayers from noon to sunset (Dhuhr, Asr and Maghrib)" as the singular salat is used and only one time-period is given i.e. "establish salat at A to B". It is a common error for other articles promoting 5 to contain this obvious problem. In this case the author opts for it referring to one salat, e.g. "Maghrib".
 
Joseph Islam:
In the main, I do not disagree with the author's argument on this point.

 


Joseph Islam agreed that salat word is in singular address. So it is a reference to one prayer period, which is maghrib.
Title: Re: Can verse 30:17 refers Maghrib prayer? (tum'sūna)
Post by: good logic on December 19, 2015, 08:51:27 PM
Peace   Sstikstof.

Thank you.

Yes, the issue of "salat" continues...

I can only speak for myself when I say I connect with my Lord 5 times a day.

 At this moment of time I have not seen evidence to the contrary.

GOD did say ,when HE sends any new scripture/messenger,that HE tries us with " our rites"

I believe ,once we start a relationship with the Lord,we have to trust in Him completely,including our understanding of His words/scripture.
I have always tried my best to stay  loyal to my Lord .open minded for learning His scripture,asking Him to guide me to do better and follow the best understanding . Of course I am always aware that I should never say "my mind is made up"!

Best of luck with your query/ies.
GOD bless you.
Peace brother.
Title: Re: Can verse 30:17 refers Maghrib prayer? (tum'sūna)
Post by: Wakas on December 22, 2015, 11:22:43 AM
peace all,

GL, we have discussed timings of salat before on free-minds forum and little progress was made. Even in this thread we can simply look at the unevidenced claim you cited with "li" means repetition of 2+, or your baseless insertion into 17:79 of "as well as "Aquimi salat at fajr, study/read Qoran also.".

To be frank, this kind of "evidence" is not worthy of reply.

Also, you claim my article on salat leaves the reader with more questions than answers - perhaps for you, yes - but others have found it to make perfect sense. Each to their own.


Sstikstof, you are clearly unaware of what an assumption is. And you make a baseless and fallacious claim about "all sunni and shia" agreeing with your position. FACT: Traditional "scholars" do not all agree on what timed-SBH verse refers to what timed-salat. For example, I recommend reading what they say about 20:130 and you will find plenty of variance. As I said before, since you obviously cannot find any article analysing all timed-sbh verses trying to equate them to 5x daily salat, try writing one yourself and experience the confusion that results.

Title: Re: Can verse 30:17 refers Maghrib prayer? (tum'sūna)
Post by: good logic on December 22, 2015, 02:02:20 PM
Peace Wakas.

Like you say, we keep  discussing salat,but we differ, why?

Your "evidence" is as clear as day and I am refusing to follow it?

I am simply being "Awkward"?

To everyone else (except me) it makes sense,including many who disagree with you?

My Qoran  and your Qoran are "two different "books?

You never make any "assumption", your views are always backed by "evidence",but I ignore them?

Look brother, I believe GOD and I check all my understanding with Him,simply because GOD is nearer to me than,anyone else:

When My servants ask you about Me, I am always near.
 I answer their prayers when they pray to Me.
 The people shall respond to Me and believe in Me, in order to be guided


Everyday I pray "May the Lord guide me to do/understand better".

However, keep up your search for the truth. May the Lord guide both of us.
GOD bless you.
Peace.
Title: Re: Can verse 30:17 refers Maghrib prayer? (tum'sūna)
Post by: Sstikstof on December 29, 2015, 08:53:32 PM
Peace   Sstikstof.

Thank you.

Yes, the issue of "salat" continues...

I can only speak for myself when I say I connect with my Lord 5 times a day.

 At this moment of time I have not seen evidence to the contrary.

GOD did say ,when HE sends any new scripture/messenger,that HE tries us with " our rites"

I believe ,once we start a relationship with the Lord,we have to trust in Him completely,including our understanding of His words/scripture.
I have always tried my best to stay  loyal to my Lord .open minded for learning His scripture,asking Him to guide me to do better and follow the best understanding . Of course I am always aware that I should never say "my mind is made up"!

Best of luck with your query/ies.
GOD bless you.
Peace brother.
Salamun Alaikum, brother. In one sense you were right & both interpretations can be agreed regarding 5 prayers.

And to Wakas this is the reply for you from us both,
http://quransmessage.com/critiques/Response%20to%20Wakas.htm
Title: Re: Can verse 30:17 refers Maghrib prayer? (tum'sūna)
Post by: Sardar Miyan on December 30, 2015, 06:37:27 AM
When Bro Joseph Islam has posted a detailed Article about Salath why should we argue as the Article is clear about time of Salath.
Title: Re: Can verse 30:17 refers Maghrib prayer? (tum'sūna)
Post by: Wakas on January 02, 2016, 09:33:23 AM

And to Wakas this is the reply for you from us both,
http://quransmessage.com/critiques/Response%20to%20Wakas.htm

If this is also your reply, then I challenge you to a debate on free-minds.org/forum wherein you will have to defend the above article - and for every logical fallacy, assumption, baseless assertion etc I highlight you agree to donate $10 to charity. If there is disagreement on any point I make, the forum will vote and decide.

Do you accept my challenge?
Title: Re: Can verse 30:17 refers Maghrib prayer? (tum'sūna)
Post by: Sstikstof on January 02, 2016, 04:19:12 PM

And to Wakas this is the reply for you from us both,
http://quransmessage.com/critiques/Response%20to%20Wakas.htm

If this is also your reply, then I challenge you to a debate on free-minds.org/forum wherein you will have to defend the above article - and for every logical fallacy, assumption, baseless assertion etc I highlight you agree to donate $10 to charity. If there is disagreement on any point I make, the forum will vote and decide.

Do you accept my challenge?

LOL! Salamun Alaikum. Chill Dude, First, the above response through the article is not from me personally. Reply was mainly from Joseph Islam what seems to me most logical reply in the whole world that I can trust above all research. Why is it logical, because of GOD gifted sense about  making decisions. Your article is also correct, but most issues are not that correct which was covered by Joseph Islam. With his reply, there is no argumentation left to discuss personally from me. And personally i am not that eligible person to do debate as im still learning issues of Quran. I didn't make previous post to hurt you but point you where is the actual gap of misconception of Salat directives which even weak student like me can realize. If you are really upset, then my apologies is always to you & my intention was not like that you are assuming.
Title: Re: Can verse 30:17 refers Maghrib prayer? (tum'sūna)
Post by: QM Moderators Team on January 02, 2016, 06:29:42 PM

And to Wakas this is the reply for you from us both,
http://quransmessage.com/critiques/Response%20to%20Wakas.htm

If this is also your reply, then I challenge you to a debate on free-minds.org/forum wherein you will have to defend the above article - and for every logical fallacy, assumption, baseless assertion etc I highlight you agree to donate $10 to charity. If there is disagreement on any point I make, the forum will vote and decide.

Do you accept my challenge?


Wakas,

Can we kindly request that you immediately cease making such audacious - to some - crass challenges on this forum. (Despite where you want it to be held). Please share your opinion on this forum and leave it at that. These kind of challenges may work on the free-minds forum where you an administrator but they are not tolerated or have any place here.

Thank you!
Title: Re: Can verse 30:17 refers Maghrib prayer? (tum'sūna)
Post by: hicham9 on January 04, 2016, 03:45:48 AM
Quote from: OP
Can verse 30:17 refers Maghrib prayer (Entering upon Evening)? (tum'sūna - تُمْسُونَ) or Maghrib and Isha both???

This is a loaded question (https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/loaded-question).

To my knowledge, the Qurān does not support the (sunni) "5 namaz per day" tradition. Your question presumes it does ! Also, to my scrutiny, the qurānic noun sloh (صلوه) does not denote "prayer" — at least not in 22:40.

سلامـ
Title: Re: Can verse 30:17 refers Maghrib prayer? (tum'sūna)
Post by: Sstikstof on January 05, 2016, 02:44:45 PM
Quote from: OP
Can verse 30:17 refers Maghrib prayer (Entering upon Evening)? (tum'sūna - تُمْسُونَ) or Maghrib and Isha both???

This is a loaded question (https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/loaded-question).

To my knowledge, the Qurān does not support the (sunni) "5 namaz per day" tradition. Your question presumes it does ! Also, to my scrutiny, the qurānic noun sloh (صلوه) does not denote "prayer" — at least not in 22:40.

سلامـ

Your theology is absolutely wrong. May be you are quranist that I assume. Please see the below article for more info.
http://quransmessage.com/pdfs/The%20Five%20Prayers.pdf

Please be notified that This is a Quran-Centric Forum. To know about Quran-Centric Position Please see the below article,
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.islam/posts/330796700390797
Title: Re: Can verse 30:17 refers Maghrib prayer? (tum'sūna)
Post by: hicham9 on January 05, 2016, 06:08:51 PM
May be you are quranist that I assume.

If by "quranist" you mean a maverick, independent thinker that doesn't mix andor foist the sunni corpus of apocryphal anecdotes upon the Quran, then yes! I happen to be one - thou, i would rather proclaim myself to be a hanif muslim, as this is what the Quran taught me, personally.

سلام
Title: Re: Can verse 30:17 refers Maghrib prayer? (tum'sūna)
Post by: Wakas on January 15, 2016, 01:35:35 AM
peace,

Sstikstof, you did not offend me dont worry.
As a side note, Hicham9 is essentially pointing out what I did. You dont have to accept it, no big deal.

QM Mod Team, I understand your position. From now on if someone cites that article (with the implication that it is a satisfactory response) I will say something along the lines of "I disagree. If you wish to discuss it further please PM me as I'm not allowed to respond to it publicly on this forum".
Title: Re: Can verse 30:17 refers Maghrib prayer? (tum'sūna)
Post by: Sstikstof on February 24, 2016, 05:52:29 PM
peace,

Sstikstof, you did not offend me dont worry.
As a side note, Hicham9 is essentially pointing out what I did. You dont have to accept it, no big deal.

QM Mod Team, I understand your position. From now on if someone cites that article (with the implication that it is a satisfactory response) I will say something along the lines of "I disagree. If you wish to discuss it further please PM me as I'm not allowed to respond to it publicly on this forum".
Salamun Alaikum, Regarding the verse 30:17, I have acknowledged that these are in plural address and indicating continuity of the salat in general sense like in urdu (subha / sham), but not specific periods. you were right about this plural address not indicating the salat periods exactly, but some sort of continuity as idiom.