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The Quran => Women => Topic started by: Sstikstof on February 02, 2016, 05:25:38 PM
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Can someone please give me some examples with pictures about women modest dress according to this article>>> http://quransmessage.com/articles/hijaab%20FM3.htm
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Quran has laid down the dress code of Muslim woman to cover extra layer of cloth on bosom but keep
face not covered but if hairdo is such which falls in category of Zeenat she has to cover but if Hairdo is
simple she need not cover. Covering up hair is Christian style. Please go to Google you will find Muslim
Woman's dress. Thanks
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Shalom / peace ssktikstof
Might find this related article interesting. Has some examples at the end of prevailing customs....worth reading the whole thing in context. ...
http://quransmessage.com/articles/thobe-jilbab%20FM3.htm
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What about the covering the head? Does a woman has to cover her head as an compulsion or not? If not, then are these pictures can be considered as modest as per reference of the Quran? Please see the links below, Please tell me your opinion one by one,
1. http://www.pjbbgown.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Modest-Dresses-for-Women.jpg
2. http://aerlf.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/modest-dresses-for-women-4.jpg
3. http://aerlf.org/wp-content/uploads/parser/Modest-dress-for-women-4.jpg
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Salam,
#1: Alright depending on the circumstances. Probably better for high-school kids' concerts.
#2: Fine
#3: Fine
This works too:
(http://g.nordstromimage.com/imagegallery/store/product/Medium/0/_8062500.jpg)
Covering hair is not compulsory:
https://quranistvoices.wordpress.com/2011/05/27/the-concept-of-hijab-and-veiling-in-the-quran-and-quranists/
https://sfqomhz.wordpress.com/2013/07/10/hijab-compulsion-or-choice/
...although if you live in a Muslim-majority country, you're going to get arrested if you don't cover. ::)
Mia
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Salaam Sstikstof,
With regards to head covering I agree with what Joseph Islam has shared in the following article when he stated that
the Arabic word ‘Khumur’ (which is usually cited in the Quran as proof for such requirement) does not simply imply a head-covering for women as commonly understood in its modern day usage. Rather its primary meaning is to conceal or to cover. A veil is an example of such covering but it is not restricted to it.
http://quransmessage.com/articles/a%20deeper%20look%20at%20the%20word%20khimar%20FM3.htm
http://quransmessage.com/articles/hijaab%20FM3.htm
I would also like to ask the proponents of head coverings (if any are present on this forum): Why the need to cover the hair? What sexual attraction does the hair of a woman have? Are we to seriously believe that the site of a woman’s hair sexually arouses a man?
Peace.
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This works too:
(http://g.nordstromimage.com/imagegallery/store/product/Medium/0/_8062500.jpg)
This thread can help with that:
Covering Arms And Legs (http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=206.0)
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Oops, didn't realize that the dress had a slit in the bottom. Take that away and it would be fine, I think, based on where I live.
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Sister mia666 The model you have posted is not in Muslim dress as her her hair are open & her entire
hands are not covered. She appears western Model. This can not be Muslim dress.
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Sister mia666 The model you have posted is not in Muslim dress as her her hair are open & her entire
hands are not covered. She appears western Model. This can not be Muslim dress.
That is the main issue here. Do women have to cover hair as a compulsion of religion?
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Actually i find it hard to understand what a "muslim dress" is?
If i were to take up western clothing instead of arabic, would that mean i am not wearing islamic clothing?
I really don't think it is right to label a certain type of dress as either a muslim dress or not. Whatever dress you choose to wear be it a sari, a cheong sam, a gown etc, as long as it is modest enough and fits the criteria stated in the Quran, then it should be fine.
There is no need to add an islamic label everything under the sun just to make it comply with your faith. I have seen this problem in Malaysia where i reside. Islamic authorities keep on coming up with islamic this and thats just for the sake of business and making money.
There is already a low cost airline owned by non muslims which somehow or another is Syariah compliant.
I fail to see why we need a syariah compliant airline service.
There are also many other products out there that have been marketed as islamic just for the sake of penetrating the muslim communities want's and needs.
And to be blunt, majority of these customers do not really know any better because they just choose to follow.
So why make things complicated? just wear a modest attire fitting to what God has instructed.
As Salamun alaikum
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Actually i find it hard to understand what a "muslim dress" is?
If i were to take up western clothing instead of arabic, would that mean i am not wearing islamic clothing?
I really don't think it is right to label a certain type of dress as either a muslim dress or not. Whatever dress you choose to wear be it a sari, a cheong sam, a gown etc, as long as it is modest enough and fits the criteria stated in the Quran, then it should be fine.
There is no need to add an islamic label everything under the sun just to make it comply with your faith. I have seen this problem in Malaysia where i reside. Islamic authorities keep on coming up with islamic this and thats just for the sake of business and making money.
There is already a low cost airline owned by non muslims which somehow or another is Syariah compliant.
I fail to see why we need a syariah compliant airline service.
There are also many other products out there that have been marketed as islamic just for the sake of penetrating the muslim communities want's and needs.
And to be blunt, majority of these customers do not really know any better because they just choose to follow.
So why make things complicated? just wear a modest attire fitting to what God has instructed.
As Salamun alaikum
You are absolutely correct & I support it too. But only question is head-cover or covering the hair of women compulsory?
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As per Quran the woman Ned not cover her hair but I was telling the model hair were not tide up but loose & her hands were bare. Therefore model did not appear as Muslim as she was having extra cloth
on her blossom which is must as per Quran.
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Salam everyone, :)
Sstikstoff: Please look at the articles I cited above for head-coverings. They're not compulsory, but they're the standard in many societies.
Sardar: You're saying the girl in the picture looks like she's not dressed in a "Muslim" way. What is a "Muslim" way, I must ask? Are we supposed to dress in shalwars and black shrouds that look like Darth Vader costumes (sorry, I had to say that :) )? These are cultural types of clothing, not religious types. Christian women who live in supposedly sharia-compliant places like Saudi Arabia also wear the black dresses. These kinds of clothing are cultural and not religious.
I see no problem with her hair being loose. I mean, it's not covered in fake flowers or anything.
As for her arms, I see no issue with that either. Judging by the place I live in, that dress is quite modest. It might be different where you live. Here, adult women walk the streets in Daisy Dukes at the height of winter. So that dress is basically what people would wear to church service. Except for the slit at the bottom--I could do without that. :)
Adam: There's nothing wrong with wearing western clothing, as long as it doesn't show anything unnecessary. God does not want hardship for us. He wants us to dress modestly for the places we live in. You're right, "sharia compliant airline services" are hilariously ridiculous. Anyway, please don't feel constrained by anything your government is doing. You can make good choices without their interference. :D
Mia
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Also, I have to say that it is very sad how "modest" dressing is only stressed for women. It's like men can walk around and look at women and do whatever perverted things they want, and it's always the women's fault--because they were dressed "inappropriately". Sigh.
To the contrary, a certain manner of dressing and cooperation is prescribed for both genders in 24:30-31. Men are equally responsible for dealing with themselves. In addition to this, they should be able to control themselves. Looking at a woman's hair should not make them do bad things. If it does, then they should see a doctor. It's that simple.
"Tell the believing men to lower their gaze and be modest. That is purer for them. Lo! Allah is aware of what they do."
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Salaam mia666,
You said:
Also, I have to say that it is very sad how "modest" dressing is only stressed for women. It's like men can walk around and look at women and do whatever perverted things they want, and it's always the women's fault--because they were dressed "inappropriately". Sigh.
To the contrary, a certain manner of dressing and cooperation is prescribed for both genders in 24:30-31. Men are equally responsible for dealing with themselves. In addition to this, they should be able to control themselves. Looking at a woman's hair should not make them do bad things. If it does, then they should see a doctor. It's that simple.
What you say is absolutely true. The burden/responsibility of dressing modestly must be shared by both parties; men are just as responsible to dress modestly so as to not sexually arouse a woman (not being his wife) as women are so as to not sexually arouse a man (not being her husband). In fact, this (responsibility being shared by both parties) is what the Quran demands when in 24:30-31 it instructs BOTH men AND women to lower their gaze and dress modestly (neither placing all the burden/responsibility on the women nor on the men). Therefore, men have just as much duty/responsibility to cover what may appear lustful (to women). Any revealing parts which may cause undue attention should be covered by both parties.
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Sister mia666, There is called " Satar" for men & women which mean what to hide & what to show.
For men from waist to knees to hide while women to hide from nech to anckel and hands upto wrist as per Hadees narrations. Therefore the hands shown for the Model have to cover up to appear Muslim
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Salam Hassan, thank you for your reply :)
Sardar, I'm confused. I thought we didn't do hadiths around here. In fact you complained about them in your other posts. ???
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Salam everyone, :)
Sstikstoff: Please look at the articles I cited above for head-coverings. They're not compulsory, but they're the standard in many societies.
Sardar: You're saying the girl in the picture looks like she's not dressed in a "Muslim" way. What is a "Muslim" way, I must ask? Are we supposed to dress in shalwars and black shrouds that look like Darth Vader costumes (sorry, I had to say that :) )? These are cultural types of clothing, not religious types. Christian women who live in supposedly sharia-compliant places like Saudi Arabia also wear the black dresses. These kinds of clothing are cultural and not religious.
I see no problem with her hair being loose. I mean, it's not covered in fake flowers or anything.
As for her arms, I see no issue with that either. Judging by the place I live in, that dress is quite modest. It might be different where you live. Here, adult women walk the streets in Daisy Dukes at the height of winter. So that dress is basically what people would wear to church service. Except for the slit at the bottom--I could do without that. :)
Adam: There's nothing wrong with wearing western clothing, as long as it doesn't show anything unnecessary. God does not want hardship for us. He wants us to dress modestly for the places we live in. You're right, "sharia compliant airline services" are hilariously ridiculous. Anyway, please don't feel constrained by anything your government is doing. You can make good choices without their interference. :D
Mia
I fully agree .....
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Salam All...
Well..i have seen many articles supporting that...covering head is not compulsory according to Quran...but modesty is compulsory...
So...does that include covering arms too?...well...according to Indian culture...mostly we wear...salwar and kameez...covering...legs totally...revealing only feets..but..with regard to the arms...some wear...sleeveless..and..some wear.. covering half hands..and covering quarter part of the hands...so..what should we do..with regard to the arms?...should we cover fully...?...or covering some part is enough?..
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Salam All...
Well..i have seen many articles supporting that...covering head is not compulsory according to Quran...but modesty is compulsory...
So...does that include covering arms too?...well...according to Indian culture...mostly we wear...salwar and kameez...covering...legs totally...revealing only feets..but..with regard to the arms...some wear...sleeveless..and..some wear.. covering half hands..and covering quarter part of the hands...so..what should we do..with regard to the arms?...should we cover fully...?...or covering some part is enough?..
In human anatomy, the arm is the upper limb of the body, comprising regions between the glenohumeral joint (shoulder joint) and the elbow joint. In common usage the arm extends to the hand. It can be divided into the upper arm (brachium), the forearm (antebrachium), and the hand (manus).
Reflecting on the total arguments presented in this forum & verses of Quran, Half hand covering will be modest in my opinion.
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Salam..Sstikstof..
Thank you very much for your answer...bt i have one more doubt...check the picture in the below link..and...is it not ok to cover our arms till tat part?..i mean...as shown in the picture...can you please tell...
http://www.utsavfashion.in/salwar/off-white-cotton-readymade-churidar-kameez/ktv18-itemcode
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Salam..Sstikstof..
Thank you very much for your answer...bt i have one more doubt...check the picture in the below link..and...is it not ok to cover our arms till tat part?..i mean...as shown in the picture...can you please tell...
http://www.utsavfashion.in/salwar/off-white-cotton-readymade-churidar-kameez/ktv18-itemcode
This point is the issue here, that is being discussed. For the answer you will need deeper reflection of the quran as this hasn't been mentioned specifically under the term 'modest' as per society norm. People are still confused about modesty. For example, in usa cloths without sleeve is modest. But in Asia your referred link image is considered as modest. In arab countries, full body coverage refers to modesty. Finally, Quran tells us to be modest as per society norm and minimum requirements are addressed which include covering the chest to feet generally and beautification is limited as to society norm to avoid attraction sexually. Rest finer details can be acquired from joseph Islam himself owner of this forum.
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Salam :),
I think you have to figure it out based on where you live. India is not like Saudi Arabia. That dress should be perfectly modest for India in my opinion, however you wouldn't want to wear it to the mosque. ;)
Sardar Miyan: Did you get my reply? Hadiths hold no religious authority.
Mia
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Salam Sstikstof..
Thank you very much...yup...the picture shown is modest according to India...so i guess..it wont be a problem...Thank you very much for your guidance...:)...
With best regards,
Anjum
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Salam Sis mia...
Yup sis...its modest here..:)...well...about mosque...we dont have specific mosques for ladies here...we do have one largest mosque in Delhi...its called Jama Masjid..but its like tourist place..so...people dont have problem with these sleeves...there too...:)...
Thanks and best regards,
Anjum...:)
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Please be advised that men can freely walk around as bare body, but at the time of praying men have to wear suitable dress to show respect to god. Similar case goes to women too. Quran specifies it clearly that take your clothes and adorning suitably for prayer.
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Salam Sstikstof...
So...does that mean...we should cover our full arms during prayer?...
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Salam Sstikstof...
So...does that mean...we should cover our full arms during prayer?...
half would be better. We do half arm covering here.
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Salaam all,
I am sure that you have all read Joseph's article regarding covering.
Taking all the verses into consideration, I hold the view that the hair is part of a woman's zeenat and should be covered..not strictly every strand though and not only with a headscarf as hats would suffice too.
In order to take into consideration the many different cultural dresses, the Quran doesn't stipulate a particular style of clothing.
So what I understand is that the clothing should not be tight, arms and legs should be covered but 3/4 sleeves would be acceptable too. A must would be some sort of additional covering for the bosom. Also if you were to wear western dress then long tops that cover the bottom would be required in order to fulfill the instruction and jeans etc should not be tight fitting.
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Salam sister Truthseeker,
Your interpretation of modest dressing makes sense. :) However, certain regulations may be controlled by the standards of the society we live in (and you've alluded to this as well). I think the main rules of dressing are: (a) decency as per society, (b) covering anything with a sexual connotation, and (c) wearing the "clothing of piety".
:D
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Salaam all,
I am sure that you have all read Joseph's article regarding covering.
Taking all the verses into consideration, I hold the view that the hair is part of a woman's zeenat and should be covered..not strictly every strand though and not only with a headscarf as hats would suffice too.
In order to take into consideration the many different cultural dresses, the Quran doesn't stipulate a particular style of clothing.
So what I understand is that the clothing should not be tight, arms and legs should be covered but 3/4 sleeves would be acceptable too. A must would be some sort of additional covering for the bosom. Also if you were to wear western dress then long tops that cover the bottom would be required in order to fulfill the instruction and jeans etc should not be tight fitting.
regarding head cover, I see middle of this article expresses very logical approach. Please check, http://www.quranicpath.com/misconceptions/hijab_niqab.html
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Salaam mia666
I agree that we are to live in society and different societies have different norms. If though a particular society has norms of showing a lot of flesh for example it doesn't mean that we aquiesece to it.