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Discussions / Re: Shi'a Doctrine
« on: May 29, 2013, 03:28:20 AM »
Dear Mr. Ali,

Pleae also refer Quranic verse :
3:42  Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! God hath chosen thee and purified (Tahrak)  thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations.
3:43 On Maryam  -  you will prostrate and bow .

Compare this to:

33:28 Prophet wives seeking vanatieis of this world
33:30 warning of double punishment
33:31 inform them of  double reward for righteous behavior.
33:32 Allah reminding Wives of Prophet of their special status….. and after above reminders Allah - instructing Wives of Prophet :
33:33  And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish regular Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey God and His Apostle.
(As by this way ) God only wishes (yuridu)  to remove all abomination from you ( Wives of Prophets) , ye members of the Family ( other family members/Ahle-Beit/people) , and to make you pure and spotless.

(here Allah only intend to purify abominated Ahle-Beit , if they comply Messenger's  instructions ) and purification will come as above and also as indicated through Abraham in verse No: 22:26  by shunning the idol worship or non-associating with Allah as people at visiting at BEIT (haram) were used to.
Thoughts of 12 numbrs  originated from Jacob having 12 sons/tribes  and were leaders of Isaelis as indicated in Quran, hence this must have conjectured to have 12 Imamates.  Again Hadith scholars innovate  without authorization and argue on them ( 7:71).  This is taghut in Quran's perspective (4:60).  However, for others it is religious and they are happy with this ( 30:32 ).
We should have system (deen) applied to all humanity and should not be exclusive idolizing human ( either prophet, imam, leaders – as all are dead and fallible).  Otherwise that faith will be CULT. 

Dear brother - These are my personal views and should not be taken as offense in anyway as you have freedom to choose and good to have shared your views with us .  Ultimately Allah knows the best as final judge and pray us to be guided at this difficult juncture - Ameen.

With respect ,

Discussions / Re: Shi'a Doctrine
« on: May 28, 2013, 12:43:30 PM »
Dear Brother Arif,

Please give atleast one verse from Quran in proper context as requested by Brother Joseph that will make me to accept your doctrine.  There is no point like Sunni  putting Hadith into Quranic verses to give authority.  It appears that these contention "like flowery discourses "  initiated by enemies of Prophets (6:112) into Arabic/Persian stories , and to carry them like donkey 62:5 with-out sound proof.

Even so called Ahl-Bayt is also referred to Quran in reference to Abraham (11:73)  and Moses (28:12) why are we restricting to one family.  Ahle-Kitab, Ahle Injil,  Ahle-Naar, Ahle-Qura, Ahle Madina, Ahle Yathrab, Ahle-Zikr etc  ( community of people ) are widely used and instead AL'E (family/people) is more used pertaining to Ale-Musa, Ale Ibrahim, Ale Firun, Ale Nuh, Ale Harun, Ale Dawood, Ale Imran...........  Do you find Ale-Muhammad anywhere?  This is where secondary sources on which you base your ideology.

Quran has repeatedly warned not to follow your fathers ( our hadith scholars) as they may be misguided or without any Aql/reason and lead into conjectures.

The so called scholars like Tabari who wrote Histories into 40 volumes and tons of literature copying from similar sources into flowery volumes also inspired by Satan to affirm " Satanic Verses".

Just give one Quranic verse ( confirming Imamate or Ahle-Bayt reference to exclusive Muhammad (pbuh) relatives) to lead your ideology instead putting your ideology into Quranic verse to manipulate for authenticity ?  That will not help us.

You are in world of impeccable proof and evidence and no reasonable person will accept conjectures based on previous fallible sources because it was accepted at the time.

It is good to discuss without emotion that will lead us to ONE incontrovertible TRUTH like all the hypothesis in the present world are discussed/reasearched into Scientific discovery.     

Discussions / Re: Shi'a Doctrine
« on: May 28, 2013, 02:52:55 AM »
Dear Sir,

Unfortunately the Arabs mostly invented terms from Quran without Authority to lend meaning without realising the truth and one such as Imamate - who is just 'leader' who can lead them even to Hell as in 28:41 .  The so called 'spiritual leaders' leading us will be cursed by so called followers as in 33:67 and will ask them double punishment for misleading us 33:68 . Allah ordains believers not to erect/elevate anyone amongst us as in 3:64.  Even prophets or angles will advise their followers not to worship them 3:79-80.  Instead follow common terms to serve Allah by righteous deeds which is surety to Heaven.  Also argue on form of salaat, its numbers and other rituals are implied in Quran but not explicitly ordained, hence no point quoting huge volumes articles. Even  Aristotle (384-322 BC) was followed till Renaissance period (1300-1600 A.D.), in philosophy and embedded in Roman Catholic theology and tradition was revised with Galileo scientific truth. Hence either by way of scriptural  evidence , both Sunnis and Shias will be cult instead of Deen.  Sunnis/Shias/Imamates/Hadiths/Sahabas/Tabeen and others multiples are conjectured names to form religion or cult and not authorized by Quran in perspective of Divine worship to establish Deen. 

Islamic Duties / TAYAMMUM
« on: December 31, 2012, 02:09:16 PM »
Dear Sir,

When no water is there , ablution ( Tayammum ) with sand/dust is ordained. It will be more unclean with sand/dust than instead.  Any particular reason/logic of tayammum with sand/dust.

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