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[-- Joseph-- Slipped up and put his trust on other than GOD.]

Greetings Saba.

That is how I understand the verse about Joseph. You may understand it differently

The point that I wanted to make is to get into the habit of remembering to say " Bismi allah", "In shaa allah" and " Mashaa allah"...etc. A true believer has GOD on his/her mind 24/7. If he/she errs or forgets then:

Salaams goodlogic. I mean no disrespect, but they way you have interpreted the verse is no small matter.. you said:

-- Joseph-- Slipped up and put his trust on other than GOD.

12:42
He then said to the one to be saved "Remember me at your lord."* Thus, the devil caused him to forget his Lord, and, consequently, he remained in prison a few more years.

You are almost accusing a noble prophet of committing Shirk (ma'zallah)!!! so much so that he was further punished for it and remained in prison for it ...You even wrote your own translation to fit your understanding of accusing a prophet.

As I said, and as far as I know nearly most understand this verse (quranic and traditionalist) it was one of the prisoners that forgot!!!! due to Satan's influence. !!

012.042
YUSUFALI: And of the two, to that one whom he consider about to be saved, he said: "Mention me to thy lord." But Satan made him forget to mention him to his lord: and (Joseph) lingered in prison a few (more) years.
PICKTHAL: And he said unto him of the twain who he knew would be released: Mention me in the presence of thy lord. But Satan caused him to forget to mention it to his lord, so he (Joseph) stayed in prison for some years.
SHAKIR: And he said to him whom he knew would be delivered of the two: Remember me with your lord; but the Shaitan caused him to forget mentioning (it) to his lord, so he remained in the prison a few years.
ASAD: And [thereupon Joseph] said unto the one of the two whom he considered saved: "Mention me unto thy lord [when thou art free]!" But Satan caused him to forget to mention [Joseph] to his lord, and so he remained in prison a few [more] years.

http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/12/42/default.htm

Saba

['The_Chimp']

Salaam Khalid,

I think you are 'The_Chimp' on free-minds.org. I can tell given your type of discussion/topics and style...virtually the same as those used on this forum. I read free-minds a lot so I can tell:

Here check this - Re: Salamun Alaikum

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606088.10

and here:

http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=1086.0

I noted that when you were challenged, you had no response.

Also you find the Quran-only rejection of Hadith unsupportable.

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606147.msg345559#msg345559

You say: "Quran only" is nothing more than a misguided and delusional sect.

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606157.msg345558#msg345558

I have just gone through your posts and see the overlaps with what you have written here on this forum


COMPLETE POSTS!

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=111952;area=showposts;start=0

You also like to accuse others of a lack of knowledge of Arabic. I recognized you straight away!!!!!

Pls correct me if I am wrong! Thnx Saba

[Methodology in Understanding Quran (1)]

Dear readers of this forum, Salaam .....

Please see two Quranist 'heavyweights'- Wakas and Farouk Peru, battle it out tooth and nail on the free-minds forum regarding their 'Quranist' method. I have been reading this thread with a lot of interest of late and it says so much in so many different ways. Also note how the discussion turns into personal attacks and who said what to who ... a lot of self esteem flying here as well I think.

Moderators - The reason I have shared the link is also so people can judge for themselves some of the Quranist posts that have been put up on this forum such as those shared by Wakas and the method behind them when it is examined by other Quranists.

Personally, I think all this Quranist method is a whole big problem, but readers can decide for themselves Saba

Happy reading folks!!!


Discussion between Wakas and Farouk:

Methodology in Understanding Quran (1)
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604455.0

- Wakas asks questions

Methodology in Understanding Quran (2)
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604460.0

- Farouk asks questions

Salam br. Joseph


I am following a potentially interesting discussion Q&A on another forum. The following question was asked by a 'Quranist' and I wanted to know what your views were on the question. Thank you as always ...Saba   

"We will therefore begin with the question: WHAT IS QURANIC GRAMMAR?"

Salam all. I have come across this video in which this person seems to suggest that Mary was of dual sex. I have looked at some of the verses he is quoting but looks like to me he is reading things into the verses which are not there to make a point. I think what he is claiming overall is utter nonsense really.

Would be keen to read other's views on this. Saba (link below)

http://www.iipctvstream.com/eng_mary_pbuh.html 

Aslamaolaikum all ,

I was reading the following link on another forum.

http://www.salaatforum.com/index.php?id=1552

I know homosexual acts are forbidden by the Quran. However, the question put is interesting.

"Taken individually, these behaviors are present in our societies today. I do not think the people of Lot were homosexuals, rather they were criminals and enjoyed subjugating men as their sex slaves"

Is there any ground for this suggestion? Thanks, Saba

[Links to many excellent books on Islam, Quran and Hadith:]

Aslamaolaikum.

Here are some recent resources I have collected:

These ones were posted by a brother called 'Waqas'. I've seen him on the ourbeacon / salaat forums but I think may be the same as the Waqas on free-minds too. Not sure.

He has often provided some really good resources. I've collected a few of his recommendations below.


Links to many excellent books on Islam, Quran and Hadith:

Free pdf books:
http://islam-and-muslims.com/islamic-books-online.html

Waqas: http://www.salaatforum.com/index.php?id=75


Arabic-English Dictionary of Quranic usage (Elsaid M. Badawi and Muhammad Abdel Haleem):

http://kalamullah.com/arabic-english-dictionary.html


Various academic articles on The Quran:

http://bit.ly/u7My0s (once there, click on folder name)

Waqas - http://www.salaatforum.com/index.php?id=239


Road to Mecca:

http://islam-and-muslims.com/islamic-books-online.html (as well as other books)

see link at bottom:
http://www.muhammad-asad.com/Road-to-Mecca.pdf

Waqas - http://www.ourbeacon.com/cgi-bin/bbs60x/webbbs_config.pl/page/1/md/read/id/314123119171635


Saba

[Free-minds.org]

Aslamaolaikum

My experiences on some forums:


Free-minds.org
http://www.free-minds.org/

Quran first. God alone forum. Good all round range of views. Open forum. Traditional arguments also allowed and discussed.


Ya Nabi
http://www.yanabi.com/

Anything goes, very traditional and often very direct and crude. Be ready to get lynched by outspoken personalities. But views are allowed.


Sunni Forum
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/forum.php

Pretty much like the above


MPACUK Forum
http://forum.mpacuk.org/

Quite an open forum with a range of views.


Ourbeacon.com
http://www.ourbeacon.com/cgi-bin/bbs60x/webbbs_config.pl

Restrictive, QXP (Dr. Shabbir's rendering of the Quran) only. Anything outside QXP thinking normally disallowed.

A version of the Perwazi School of Thought

Typical ideological beliefs.

(1) Do not believe in ritual salat. Salat is community gatherings / Divine system
(2) Do not believe in Biblical miracles as narrated in the Quran
(3) Do not believe in fasting as commonly understood
(4) Some do not believe in 'dua'.


Salaat Forum
http://www.salaatforum.com/

New forum, seems to be a spin off from the one above. Similar ideological beliefs as above but seems to be more open for discussion.

Saba.

Aslamaolaikum

A brother asked a question on another forum as to what is meant by 5:106 when the Quran says:

"After you have prayed, let the witnesses swear by God,"

He asked

What kind of prayer the verse is refering to?
Where and how this prayer would be performed?
Please, help me understand this ayat..thanks

He asked the question on two forums I sometimes visit.

http://www.salaatforum.com/index.php?id=178
http://www.ourbeacon.com/cgi-bin/bbs60x/webbbs_config.pl/page/1/md/read/id/314123119171714

I think the problem is that many on these forums don't believe salat in the Quran means prayer. I have asked for further clarification and I have not received a convincing response either.

I know brother Joseph has no problem with this verse as he clearly equates salat with prayer. But I wanted to know if anyone else had anything to add to this question or if they held a different view.

Links are above.

Thank you for helping.

Saba

[all]

Dear Brother Joseph,

Aslamaolaikum

I have posted on the salaat forum. I think many people just try to cheer on their side like a hockey match without bringing anything concrete into the argument. I think it is better that all debaters are given respect for their efforts who contribute to the discussion.

In the end, true learners only seek the best argument.

I have thanked you all for sharing your thoughts.

You can find my response here.

http://www.salaatforum.com/index.php?id=292

Saba.