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General Discussions / Serious conflicts about the official "revelation order"

« on: April 13, 2017, 01:26:49 AM »

Surah 68, so called 2nd in revelation order:

Where are the "fables of the ancients" (68:15)? Only two surahs have been revealed (96+68) but we don't see storied of old. Only in the 3rd revealed surah, we hear about the Pharaoh, however, there are no mentions of who he actually is or why he is a transgressor. Look closely at 68:1; what the pen writes (yasturoona) is a witness. The word "fables" in 68:15 (asateeru) comes from the same root. We cannot deny there is a close link between the two. So, pen of Muhammad should have written much more than just two surahs at this point.

Surah 73, so called 3rd in revelation order:

The prophet and some believers spend the night awake, studying the book. Where is the "book"? Do they study three very short surahs for hours? Yes, substantial saying /workload is to be out upon him yet, but this doesn't refute that. This ayat seems to be revealed when a hefty portion of the book is revealed already. You know, it's not arithmetical as if you study 200 days to learn 200 pages of the book and another 400 days to learn the remaining 400 pages. The workload must escalate more than that. He is going to relate the surahs, make a mental "index" of subjects, connect the parts of stories that are narrated piece by piece, restudy the book in its entirety and so on.

Surah 1, so called 5th in revelation order:

Okay, this is a rather weak evidence. The only surahs with a beginning that resembles a direct answer to the prayer (which is the Opening surah) seems 2, 7, 10, 14 and 18. These have a revelation order of 87, 39, 51, 72, and 69 respectively. Way too far apart from the fifth revelation, isn't it? Note that I'm not claiming that the first surah came first and second surah second.

So, what do you think? I especially would like to know what Joseph thinks. Thank you.

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General Discussions / Re: Quran Revelation Order

« on: January 12, 2017, 12:31:08 AM »

Does someone know what the earliest known manuscript written in "revelation order" is? I searched it but found nothing specific other than a random museum piece from 17th century.

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General Discussions / Re: Is weaning Period two years or thirty months? a contradiction in Quran?

« on: December 21, 2016, 01:11:47 AM »

Why does the book use the word "amayni" in 31:14 and why does it use the word "hawlayni" in 2:233? Aren't both of these talking about years? We again see the word "havl" in 2:240 but the word "sanah" in 18:25. And why do we see two different words ("sanah" and "aman") again in 29:14, both in the same sentence? I used to think like Joseph Islam about abortion issue, but the multiplicity of words which are always translated as "year" is now making me doubtful. I'm not sure anymore. If there is a choice of words for a concept as simple as the timeframe of 12 months, there must be a reason. Furthermore, the book says there are 12 months in a year, yet it doesn't pronounce the number of days in a month. I'd appreciate any different points of view.

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Discussions / Re: Traditional Islamic beliefs and practices rooted in Judaism(and other religions)

« on: April 22, 2015, 01:44:43 AM »

Excuse me for belated reply. Thank you for the good wishes. Right now I'm writing in my mother tongue, Turkish. I'm too busy to translate my humble work to English as I've been divided into different subjects and different blogs. I need to focus. I'll try to translate if I find time later.

To have a strong word to overcome what I call tradition, I'm thinking of focusing on three subjects to nudge traditional Muslim mind into Quran's real path.

First one is the "Quran only" concept. Thank God we already have sufficient works making the point. This first one also includes integrating (should I say reconciling?) Quran and rational thought. The second one is defining and filtering out distortions, which are traditionally called bidah. And the third one is emancipating the universal message from shackles of language fanaticism. I've been trying to find the best matches of Quranic concepts in Turkish for instance. My main point is, if you cannot tell it in your own words, you didn't understand it.

What frustrates me is I haven't been able to provoke interest on these subjects yet. I can't find a decent book defining and clearing all Judaic beliefs and practices that has polluted the Muslim conscious. I don't believe nobody ever researched this, so I've been asking people. I'm disappointed Joseph Islam didn't reply my email in this subject. So many researchers ignore my emails, it's unbelievable. As things continue the way they are now, I mean almost noone doing anything to rid the disease, I sincerely think what we know as "Muslim people" will be extinct in the future.

In case a Turkish speaking person comes across, this is my newly started blog: gerceginkitabi.wordpress.com

Peace.

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Discussions / Traditional Islamic beliefs and practices rooted in Judaism(and other religions)

« on: February 06, 2015, 12:59:44 AM »

I've been doing a little research over these. So far I have a very long list which includes many themes from head scarf to holiness of a certain language. I'm thinking of compiling them as a convenient booklet. So, I have now in my hands a toilsome research to do to document the origins and history of degeneration. I'd be thankful if more knowledgeble ones on the subject at least name me possible previous works in this subject. Are there such works? I know books about Israiliyyah in hadith or tafseer. I need more in depth, referenced or historic sources. Books and articles may be focused on only one subject. These subjects that I am aware of are:

-Adding books (sunnah, hadith) to the book of revelations
-Building a profession of religious counselling (aleems, imams)
-Imagination of a group of sages who don't ever fail (Prophet's friends)
-Killing seceders
-Stoning to death
-Reciting the Book musically
-Holy language
-Magic words, the belief that reciting something changes things supernaturally, regardless of meaning
-Headscarf, veil, kippah
-"You can't touch the Book when menstruating"
-"You can't pray or enter temple when menstruating"
-Misogyny
-Creation of Adam as a single man and related mythology
-Circumcision
-Theocracy
-Torment of grave, life in the grave
-Grave visitations (esp. on the eve of Eid)
-Haraam foods (which are mostly rooted in Leviticus, Old Testament)
-Enmity to the science of evolution
-"Only we will enter the Garden"
-"People of other religions are physically dirty"
-Talisman /musqa
-Deggial, mahdi

All these have their roots in Judaism, because they are not in the Quran. My main attention is in Judaism. But I'm also interested in other religions. My only motivation is clearing Muslim readers' minds off that distorted perception of Islam (and encouraging them to read the Quran).

Thank you, God bless.