76
General Discussions / Re: Verse 2:34
« on: February 12, 2017, 11:25:20 PM »
assalamu alaikum brothers and sisters
well i should say i personally don't agree with the part that brother wakas wrote about iblees. i don't think we should necessarily conclude that iblees was a consequence of free will just because there is no mention of iblees prior to the creation of man.
I don't know if you have done your research on the freewill of angels brother wakas, but it seems to me that if you come to the conclusion that they indeed have freewill then that automatically means iblees might be there (just like angels) before man was endowed with freewill.
In addition you say (quote from freeminds.org) iblees was doing what he was expected to do, so he didn't break the rule, he was designed this way. How do you explain for example Surah Sad 71-78 and other similar ayat:
14:22:
"And Satan will say when the matter has been concluded, "Indeed, Allah had promised you the promise of truth. And I promised you, but I betrayed you. But I had no authority over you except that I invited you, and you responded to me. So do not blame me; but blame yourselves. I cannot be called to your aid, nor can you be called to my aid. Indeed, I deny your association of me [with Allah ] before. Indeed, for the wrongdoers is a painful punishment."
7:18:
"(Allah) said: "Get out from this disgraced and expelled. If any of them follow thee hell will I fill with you all."
38:85:
[That] I will surely fill Hell with you and those of them that follow you all together."
Salam...
well i should say i personally don't agree with the part that brother wakas wrote about iblees. i don't think we should necessarily conclude that iblees was a consequence of free will just because there is no mention of iblees prior to the creation of man.
I don't know if you have done your research on the freewill of angels brother wakas, but it seems to me that if you come to the conclusion that they indeed have freewill then that automatically means iblees might be there (just like angels) before man was endowed with freewill.
In addition you say (quote from freeminds.org) iblees was doing what he was expected to do, so he didn't break the rule, he was designed this way. How do you explain for example Surah Sad 71-78 and other similar ayat:
14:22:
"And Satan will say when the matter has been concluded, "Indeed, Allah had promised you the promise of truth. And I promised you, but I betrayed you. But I had no authority over you except that I invited you, and you responded to me. So do not blame me; but blame yourselves. I cannot be called to your aid, nor can you be called to my aid. Indeed, I deny your association of me [with Allah ] before. Indeed, for the wrongdoers is a painful punishment."
7:18:
"(Allah) said: "Get out from this disgraced and expelled. If any of them follow thee hell will I fill with you all."
38:85:
[That] I will surely fill Hell with you and those of them that follow you all together."
Salam...