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A lot of prophets did drink if you read the Scriptures. Christ told us to drink the wine and break the bread that stands as a symbol for hes blood and body that he sacrificed for us, it's all in the Gospel as well. So it's not completely forbidden, else God wouldn't tell us in the Quran that we shouldn't come drunk to the prayer, but wait until we are sober.

I also think it's more a cultural thing, to not drink. A lot of trouble would be caused in families if you started telling them that you can actually have a wine.

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Thanks, do you use the root dictionaries? Did you found anything out? Any advice?

I am still learning grammar and vocabulary. It will take some time before i can open the root dictionaries.

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Can someone tell me what kind of root dictionaries there are and how much there are and what i can expect? Atm i know how to read/write/speak, but my grammar and vocabulary is zero.

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When i read 4:43 i came to the conclusion that: We should not come near the communion while intoxicated, until you know what you are saying, nor if you had an intercourse, unles a wayfarer, until you wash.

Why would God let Jesus Christ, and Moses, David and all other prophets drink wine? And let not Muhammad? Is wine really forbidden according to the Quran? Or did the sectarians invent this false doctrine? Why would wine be forbidden if God is promising the believers rivers of wine in Paradise?

Same goes for wearing gold and silk. The sectarians say that we can't wear them. But God is promising such things in Paradise.

When i read 4:43 i read that i shouldn't pray while intoxicated, until i know what i am saying. Which indicates that we can drink. But we shouldn't be drunk when praying. And if i read the Gospel i read that drinking wine and eating bread at a specific day symbolizes the blood and flesh of Christ. We read that other prophets did drink as well.

How do you guys think about this analyses of the verse. Please stick to Quranic verses, and lets not use 'i think we shouldn't drink, or my family won't except it etc.'



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Islamic Duties / How i learned to pray from the Quran..
« on: January 06, 2019, 02:45:06 PM »
So i did a word for word study on Salaat/Prayer and found out: Salaat in Arabic means to follow something closely. The Arabic meaning of the word fits the context of the Quran if you pay attention!

Salaat/Prayer is a Book that is scheduled, 3 times per day, in the morning, afternoon and evening. After the Salaat u can bow and kneel. Before i pray i was myself both physically and spiritually, by washing my hands, face and feet.
(when i bow i make supplication, and when i kneel on my chin, note kneeling on the chin is Quranic, it's a form of being humble since the chin stands for pride, so when i kneel i praise God)

Below are all my study notes of the verses which i found containing the word salaat/prayer:

2:3 Hold the communion, believe in unseen, spend from the provisions

2:43 Hold the communion, contribute towards purification, kneel with the kneeling

2:45 Seek help through communion and patience

2:48 Hold the communion, contribute towards purification

2:83 Hold the contact prayer, serve God, do good to parents, regard the relatives, the orphans, the needy and say kind things to the people, and contribute towards purification

2:110 Hold the communion, contribute towards purification

2:125 Take Abraham as an example for the communion

2:153 Seek help through communion and patience

2:157 There will be communions from God to those who were afflicted with adversity and who said that they are to God and to Him they return

2:177 Carry the communion, believe in God and the last day, and the angels and the Book, and the prophets, and give money out of love to relatives, orphans, the needy, and the wayfarer and those who ask, and to free the slaves, and contribute towards purification, and keep them if you make pledges, and the patience in adversity and hardship and when in despair

2:238 Maintain the communion, and the middle communion, and stand dutiful to God

2:277 Hold the communion, believe and do good works, contribute towards purification

4:43 Do not come near the communion while intoxicated, until you know what you are saying, nor if you had an intercourse, unles a wayfarer, until you wash.

4:77 Hold the communion

4:101 You can shorten the communion if you go through the land and fear that the rejecters will try you

4:102 Hold the communion, after it prostrate,

4:103 If done with communion, remember God while standing, sitting or on the sides, then if secure hold the communion. The communion is a Book scheduled.

4:142 the hypocrites stand lazily to make the contact prayer, and only to show the people, and they do not remember God except very little, they seek to deceive God

4:162 hold the contact prayer, contribute towards purification, believe in God and the last day, be well founded in knowledge, believe in the Quran and what was sent down before

5:6 hold the contact prayer, wash your faces and your hands up to the elbows, wipe your heads and feets to the ankles. If had intercourse, you shall purify. And if ill, or traveling, or having excreted feces, or had sexual contact with women, and cannot find water, then you shall select from the clean soil and wipe your faces and hands with it.

5:12 Hold the contact prayer, contribute towards purification, believe in the Messengers, support them, lend God a loan of righteousness

5:55 Hold the contact prayer, contribute towards purification, and kneel

5:58 if you call to the contact prayer, they take it as mockery and play

5:91 the devil wants to repel you away from remembering God and from the contact prayer

5:106 detain those who you doubt regarding the will that needs to be made after someones death after the contact prayer

6:72 Hold the contact prayer, and be aware

6:92 maintain the contact prayer, believe in the herafter, the Quran is a Book that is blessed and authenticating what is between his hands, and to warn the capital of the towns and those around it

6:162 the contact prayer, rites, life, death, are to God

7:170 Hold the contact prayer, hold fast to the Book

8:3 hold the contact prayer, spend from the provisions

8:35 their contact prayer at the Sanctuary was nothing but noise and aversion

9:5 leave the polytheists after the sacred months alone if they hold the contact prayer, and contribute towards purification

9:11 if they repent, and hold the contact prayer, and contribute towards purification, then they are your brothers in the system

9:18 the temples of God are maintained by the believers in God and the last day, and those who uphold the contact prayer and contribute towards purification, and who are only concerned by God

9:54 the wicked people prevented what they would spend to be accepted from them, except that they would reject God and His Messenger, and they did not attend the contact prayer except lazily, and they did not spend except unwillingly

9:71 the believing males and believing females hold the contact prayer, are allies to one another, they order good and prohibit vice, contribute towards purification and they obey God and His Messenger

9:84 do no make the contact prayer for any of them who died, nor stand at their grave, if they rejected God and His Messenger and died while they were wicked

9:99 from the Nomads are those who believe in God and the last day and who look upon what they spend to make them come closer to God and the Messenger

10:87 To Moses and his brother was inspired, that they should seek out homes for the people in Egypt, and to leave their homes to be a focal point and hold the contact prayer and to give good news to the believers

11:87 the people of Shuayb said: "Does your contact prayer order you that we should leave what our fathers served, or that we do not do with our money as we please"

11:114 Hold the contact prayer at the two parts of the day and the near part of the night, the good deeds take away the bad, this is a reminder to those who remember

13:22 hold the contact prayer, be patient seeking the face of the Lord, spend from what He bestowed upon you secretly and openly, counter evil with good

14:31 hold the contact prayer, spend from the provisions

14:37 hold the contact prayer

14:40 hold the contact prayer, pray to God for the acceptance of the supplications

17:78 hold the contact prayer from the setting of the sun, to the murkiness of the night, and the Quran at dawn is witnessed

17:110 do not be too loud in making the contact prayer, nor too quit, but seek a path in between

19:31 hold the contact prayer, and purification

19:55 instruct the family to the contact prayer, and towards betterment

19:59 about the generations who lost their contact prayer and followed desires

20:14 hold the contact prayer, for the remembrance of God, and serve Him alone

20:132 instruct the family to the contact prayer, and be patient for it

21:73 hold the contact prayer and contribute towards purification and serve God

22:35 hold the contact prayer, reverence your heart when God is mentioned, be patient to what befalls you, and spend from the provisions

22:40 many of the places of prayer would have been destroyed if God did not defend the people against themselves

22:41 hold the contact prayer, contribute towards purification, and prohibit vice

22:78 hold the contact prayer, contribute towards purification, hold tight to God, strive in the cause of God

23:2 be humble when making the contact prayer

23:9 maintain the contact prayers

24:37 hold the contact prayer, contribute towards purification, fear the day when the hearts and sight will be overturned, be not distracted by trade or sale from the remembrance of God

24:56 hold the contact prayer, contribute towards purification, obey the messenger

24:58 the dawn contact prayer, the afternoon contact prayer, evening prayer

27:3 hold the contact prayer, contribute towards purification, be certain regard the hereafter

29:45 hold the contact prayer, recite what is inspired from the Book

30:31 hold the contact prayer, turn to God, be aware of God, do not be of the polytheists

31:4 hold the contact prayer, contribute towards purification, be certain regard the hereafter

31:17 hold the contact prayer, advocate righteousness and prohibit vice, and be patient to what befalls you, the most honorable traits

33:33 hold the contact prayer, contribute towards purification, obey God and His Messenger, be content in the homes

35:18 you will only be able to warn those who hold the contact prayer, and are concerned towards their Lord, and contribute for yourself

35:29 hold the contact prayer, recite the Book of God, spend secretly and openly from the provisions of God, seek a trade that never loses

42:38 hold the contact prayer, respond to the Lord, conduct the affairs by mutual consultation, and provide from the provisions

58:13 hold the contact prayer, contribute towards purification, obey God and His Messenger

62:9 if the contact prayer is called at the day of gathering, then you shall hasten towards the remembrance of God and cease selling

62:10 if the contact prayer is completed after on the day of gathering, disperse through the land to seek the provisions of God, and remember God frequently

70:22 those who make the contact prayer, will be honored in gardens

70:23 observe always the contact prayer

70:34 maintain the contact prayer

73:20 hold the contact prayer, contribute towards purification, lend God a loan of righteousness, seek the forgiveness of God, read what is made easy of the Quran, a little less than two thirds of the night, and half of it, He knows that you will be not able to keep-up, so He pardons you, so study what you can of it

74:43 those who did not pray, were brought in the scorching heat

98:5 hold the contact prayer, contribute towards purification, serve God and be loyal to His system as Monotheists

107:4 woe to those who make their contact prayer absent minded

107:5 woe to those who make their contact prayer absent minded

What do you guys think?

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I was pondering over verse 7:163 about the people who broke the Sabbath to fish and who were subsequently punished for this transgression.

According to Google, the Sabbath is a day on which trade and work is to be abstained from. From my understanding this is to be strictly observed by believers. I do not know the Quranic definition so please correct me if I am wrong on this.

In 62:9 God calls believers to abstain from trade and assemble for prayer. The wording used for this verse is somewhat variable, for example:

Translation by Monotheist Group: "O you who believe, if the contact-method is called to on the day of assembly, then you shall hasten towards the remembrance of God, and cease all selling. This is better for you, if you only knew."

The use of the word 'shall' suggests a strong command to leave off trade and assemble for prayer.

, and yet the translation by...

Mohamed Sarwar: "Believers, on Friday when the call for prayer is made, try to attend prayer (remembering God) and leave off all business. This would be better for you if only you knew it."

...which sounds more like a recommendation.

Most translations do not use 'shall' or 'try', which implies to me that the order to assemble is a command, but the latter "This would be better for you if only you knew it" suggests that, like the giving of charity, it devolves to a status of being a strong recommendation.

So my question is this: Is this command to abstain from trade, though shorter in time period, similar to the command to observe the Sabbath?

In some places I have lived I have observed many Muslim traders continue business during Jummah prayers with reduced staff perhaps, and those who remain pray the noon (zuhar) prayers instead. Do these people wrong themselves through a misunderstanding of the Quranic command to assemble for prayer?

It might even be the Sabbath on which the day of gathering was. After reading the Torah and the Gospel it's easy to conclude that the day of gathering was on Sabbath for those who believe in those Scriptures.

The Arabs changed the name of the day which we now call friday/djumuha probably to fit their sectarian agenda. All Arabic names of the days are numbers, except friday.

The main goal of this day is to study the Scripture. A day of rest. Similarly to the example of the Sabbath. If you read the Torah/Gospel you will understand that the 7th day of the week is a day of rest, which you don't want to work on but wich you focus on rest and God in.

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