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Posts on Facebook / Life of this World is a Diversion
« on: June 07, 2019, 01:20:00 PM »
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"And this life of the world is nothing but a 'diversion' (Arabic: laha) and a 'play / game / sport / pastime' (Arabic: la'ib). And indeed, the home of the Hereafter - surely THAT IS THE LIFE! If only they knew"

As-salamu alaykum

Albeit there may not be a specific verse that exclusively deals with ‘lesbian acts’, there is a broad verse which deals with lewdness (fahisha) on the part of women in particular. This verse immediately precedes the verse which deals exclusively with men (4:16).

“Those who commit lewdness / immorality (fahishata) from your women - bring against them four [witnesses] from among you. And if they testify, confine the guilty women to houses until death takes them or God ordains for them [another] way.

I have argued previously that given the reference is to the plurality of women (3 or more - nisāikum) and the nature of the retribution stipulated (house arrest), this matter possibly covers prostitution [1]. It is interesting to note that the mention is of the broad term ‘fahisha’ [2] which is a non-specific term covering the entire remit of ‘lewdness’ rather than ‘zina’, which is a specific reference to fornication or adultery. Therefore, it is quite possible that ‘fahisha’ (lewdness) in this context covers the broader services that a prostitute may offer.

Nonetheless, this does not mean that the scope of 'fahisha' excludes lesbian acts. As mentioned, the term covers all lewd acts that the Quran deems inappropriate. This is evidenced with the threat of 'twice the punishment' that the prophet's wives would receive if they ever indulged in any form of 'fahisha' (33:30). This verse also proves that no-one was exempt from 'capacity/capability' and that those who had received a manifestation of the truth would be held accountable to a greater standard of answerability.

However, the Quran generally takes the approach to define the scope of 'permissibility' which then by logical deduction, would exclude all else.

Ergo - The Quran rejects any physical intimacy outside the confines of holy matrimony (the sacred covenant of legitimate wedlock) which it only accepts as lawful between a man and a woman. Any sexual pursuits by any gender outside this restricted ambit are considered a transgression by the Quran.

This would include adultery, fornication, homosexual acts, lesbian acts, incest, prostitution etc. These acts are all outside the remit of legitimate wedlock and hence, forbidden by the Quran for believers.

Some acts attract specific punishments in Quranic law (such as fornication/adultery 24:2), whilst others do not (other acts which the Quran deems indecent outside wedlock). However, non-consensual sexual acts such as rape arguably attract a greater severity of retribution which I have discussed in another post [3]

Finally, if I respectfully may, I would like to make a few additional points from a Quran's perspective which may be of further interest to you and other readers.

As I intimated in my article that you mention [4], It is not necessarily the 'inclination' (or as some would interpret - 'temptation') which is the 'sin' from a Quranic perspective, but the act.

As a crude example, one may have inclinations to commit an adulterous act with another man's wife, but it is the ability to restrain which is the key. A powerful example of this is Prophet Joseph's encounter with his master's wife. She certainly was in awe of him and desired him. However, there was one moment, one powerful moment, where Prophet Joseph nearly inclined to her. The Quran captures the split moment in which one recognises that they are inclining towards evil / a transgression and the arguments that suddenly come into one's mind. Many would undoubtedly fail, but here, Prophet Joseph succeeded.

He said: "O my Lord! The prison is dearer / more beloved (ahabbu) to me than that to which they invite me. And unless You turn away their plot from me, I will incline (yasbu) towards them and be of the foolish / ignorant."

The verb 'Saba' (yasbu) means to incline to or to yearn towards something. This term exquisitely captures the challenges all humans face in the face of heightened emotions in such a context. Here Prophet Joseph was no different. He too was subject to the same battles that all humans endure in the face of such a situation.

"And certainly she did desire him and he would have desired her, if he had not seen the proof / arguments of His Lord..." (12:24)

I hope this helps, God willing.



[3] RAPE

Peace Mohammed,

From what I can gather from your response, you have been unable to provide any evidence for Adam's son's crime that warranted his death / murder.

When I say 'wholly innocent', I mean in the context of him being murdered. I do not imply that he had never committed a sin in his entire life. From what you appear to be suggesting, it means that every person that is murdered for one reason or another, deserves it. With respect, I cannot support your perspective as this would make a mock of so many Quranic narratives and themes for me.

Therefore, please kindly let us conclude this discussion, God willing. The respected readership can make up their own minds.


General Discussions / Re: Plastic Surgery
« on: May 29, 2019, 09:20:01 PM »
Dear All,

Please kindly note that a separate thread has been created from this point on and entitled: "Was Adam's Murdered Son Guilty or Innocent?"

Please kindly feel free to continue any dialogue relevant to this topic (Plastic surgery) on this thread.



I asked you evidence from the Qur’an not from Joseph Islam’s article!!! Where did the Qur’an say he was wholly innocent?
Months ago on another thread, I mentioned the same issue!

peace brother Joseph, Why are you still publishing that? Do you have any evidence for your claim?

Peace Mohammed,

Admittedly, I am a little surprised that you have chosen this matter to contend with. However, I will respond with a view to assist God willing.

Notwithstanding the following points:

  • There is no evidence from the Quran that Adam's son committed a crime for which death was warranted.
  • It appears from verses 5:27 that he was simply murdered out of jealousy as his sacrifice was acceptable and his sibling's wasn't. Therefore, the murder was unwarranted against an innocent soul.
  • In verse 5:28, Adam's son clearly expresses his fear of God not to transgress.
  • It is clear from verse 5:29 that to kill Adam's son, a sin would have to be committed intimating therefore, that he was innocent.
  • It is clear from verse 5:29 that if the murder took place, the murderer would become a wrongdoer, one who acts unjustly 'zalim'. It is only reasonable to posit that in order to become a 'zalim', one would have to commit a misdeed against an innocent party.
  • Verse 5:30 also confirms that after the murder took place, the murderer become of the losers (khasir). This again confirms the murdered son's innocence as his brother would not have become a 'khasir' had he not killed his innocent brother.
  • In verse 5:31, the son that committed the murder became repentant (nadima). There would arguably have been no need to become repentant if he had not killed an innocent soul.
  • The matter of killing an innocent human soul without cause was so grave, that a fundamental human law was established after this murder that the right to take life would only be permissible in 2 circumstances (5:32) (1) As a retribution for causing 'fasaad' (gross mischief / evil, beyond all bounds) in the land and (2) As a retribution for murder.

However, I only have one question for you.

The burden of proof is not with me to prove the innocence of Adam's murdered son from the Quran. Rather, the burden of proof is on you to prove his guilt. That is the fundamental tenet in any matter of jurisprudence (even from the Quran) where guilt needs to be proven. (i.e. Innocent until proven guilty).

Therefore with respect, please can you provide me unequivocal evidence from the Quran that Adam's murdered son was guilty.


Dear Beyond Tradition,

Wa alaikum assalam

All prophets/messengers were foremost 'Muslims' (those that Submit to God).

"Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a true Muslim"

  • Prophet Noah asks for no reward from his people, he states that he is one of the Muslimeen (10:72)
  • Prophet Solomon's letter to Sheba (Saba) requesting her in the name of the Lord to abandon her blasphemy and for her to surrender with her people and become one of the Muslimeen (27:31)
  • Prophet Solomon acknowledged his own state as being one of those of the 'Muslimeen' (27:42)
  • Those who have persevered with the truth from the People of the Book and when it is recited to them, acknowledge that they have already been from those that have submitted to God (Muslimeen) (28:53)
  • All but one house from the people of Prophet Lot submitted to God (Muslimeen) (51:36)
  • Prophet Muhammad s instructed to say that he has been commanded to be of those that submit to God (Muslimeen) (27:91)
  • Disciples of Prophet Jesus confirm that they submit to God (Muslimoon) (3:52)
  • Prophet Joseph prays to his Lord to die as one who is a 'Musliman' (12:101)
  • Prophet Jacob's children at the point of his death professed that they submit to God (Muslimoon) (2:133)
  • Even the magicians of Pharaoh called themselves Muslims once they had seen the signs given to Moses (7:126)

[1], [2]

With terms such as Christians (nasrani: nasara [plural]) or Jews (Yahudi), the Quran simply addresses the group of the adherents of the previous scriptures in a manner that they were known at that time.

So for example, the Arab followers of the Masih (Prophet Jesus), they called themselves / were known as the 'nasrani' (plural nasara) at the time of the Quran's revelation.

005:014 (part)
"And from those who say, "We are Christians"..." 

Hence, the Quran simply refers to a group of people in a manner so it is clear who is being addressed.

I hope this helps, God willing




Q&As with Joseph Islam - Information Only / Re: Dhul Quarnain
« on: May 26, 2019, 03:21:20 AM »
Dear brother,
The Arabic used is: "aynin hami-atin"
Aynin - can mean a spring of water,  running fountains, gushing water
Hami - means something which is muddy, black fetid mud etc
So the best renditions would imply muddy springs / muddy waters or a fountain / springs of water with a muddy appearance etc.
I am not sure if you have read the link I shared (pages 12-13) which gives a good example what the appearance could look like. I provide two excerpts:
"Bodies of water can be grouped according to two basic functions; those that collect and move water, such as rivers and streams, and those that primarily hold water, such as lakes and oceans. [67] A ‘muddy’ appearance is produced by water that carries silt in suspension. It is impossible for a relatively stationary body of water to appear ‘muddy’ because silt cannot be held in suspension due to lack of flow and will deposit on the waterbed leaving the top levels clear. Wetlands such as swamps and marshes with water shallow enough for their muddy waterbeds to show through and thereby discolour their surface appearance, do not appear as ‘a muddy spring’ because they are checkered with abundant aquatic vegetation" [1]
"China’s second longest river and sixth longest in the world, is called the Hwang Ho or Huang He, but most often known simply as the Yellow River. The name ‘Yellow River’ describes the perennial reddish-yellow colour of the muddy water in the middle to lower courses of the river. The Chinese even poetically term the river, ‘the muddy flow.’ [2]
Given that I will not be able to discuss this further given my time restraints (thank you for understanding), I trust that you will kindly accept my response as my last on this particular matter.
I hope this helps, God willing.


[2] Ibid.

Q&As with Joseph Islam - Information Only / Re: Dhul Quarnain
« on: May 26, 2019, 03:13:34 AM »
Dear brother,
As I trust that you will appreciate, one can only put forward the best evidence. One cannot guarantee that one will be convinced particularly if the desire is not to accept the evidence put forth.
I sincerely feel that the issue is not the wording. As you will have noted, I shared a clear reference from reputable Arabic lexicons that indicate that the verb 'wajada' can mean to perceive something.
If it seems like a statement of fact to the person in question, then this is a matter of their 'perception' and 'interpretation' and thus, it is their burden of proof to provide clear evidence why 'perception' cannot be appropriately attached to the word 'wajada' from a classical Arabic perspective.
Finally, it is noteworthy that the Quran does not provide this as a statement of fact.
The Quran merely states that Dhul Qurnain perceived something. This does not mean that God perceives it that way.

ha - pronoun - 3rd person singular object
It is Dhul Qurnain’s perception that is the focus.
Maybe Dhul Qurnain in his ignorance of celestial process believed this to be fact (as many may have done in his day). May be he didn't. Either way, this does not mean that the Quran is wrong particularly when it has such an intricate handle / understanding of celestial process.
This is no different from Luqman’s advice to his son when he made the claim that the most hideous / harshest of noise is surely (emphasis exists in the Arabic) that of an ass / donkey (31:19) That was his perception. This was not a statement of fact. Maybe, others find the bark of a Koala hideous, others the scream of a fox, others the screeching of barn owls, or the noise a dolphin makes.

I trust that this is evidence that when a Quran presents a statement from the point of view of a human personality, this does not necessarily mean it is fact or that the Quran ‘has got it wrong’. The disbelievers claimed the prophet to be a madman (Majnun) (15:6). This again does not necessarily mean that it was fact.
I trust this clarifies.

Q&As with Joseph Islam - Information Only / Re: Dhul Quarnain
« on: May 26, 2019, 03:01:19 AM »
Dear brother,
It may interest you that I have allowed a particular paper to be published to my site from a gentleman by the name of I.FARUQUI as I feel he deals quite interestingly with the Quranic data in relation to Dhul Qurnain’s journey. [1] I would kindly refer you to pages 12 and 13 of this paper, which may be of particular interest with regards what Dhul Qurnain may have perceived.
Albeit, I have shared points of academic differences with this author [2] on other topics, I find his work with this particular subject interesting.
I hope this helps, God willing.

[3] Yajuj wa Majuj (Gog and Magog) FORUM THREAD

Q&As with Joseph Islam - Information Only / Re: Dhul Quarnain
« on: May 26, 2019, 02:57:14 AM »
Dear brother,

May peace be with you.

I hope my following article will assist, God willing.



Wa alaikum assalam brother Ahmad,

Jazak Allah you for letting me know. The link has now been updated.


Peace be upon you too.

Please kindly see my responses to your questions in brown below:

1. Does Allah really address Himself to be our God? If so, where's in the Quran He claims that He is our God?  As far as i know Allah reject believing to any God nor the idea about worshipping God but only Allah.


Yes, please see verses 20:14 and 21:92 as examples

2. Why translate Allah's Name to be God since Allah specifically was His Name? Ilahi or Ilaha in arabic means God. Then, why did Muslim translate a Name to be something else? And even worse Rabb to be God but not Lord.


Please see article below:

3. Does Allah really command woman to wear a veil? As far as i know Allah only command believing woman to lengthen their garments to avoid  women being molested. 


Please see article below:

4. What kind of Salat did Allah teach in Quran? Was it really we need to do all the step or only part of it such as Stand or Bow or Prostrate? And does rakaah matter in Quran?


Please see link below

5. Does Allah really describe Muhammad to be Illiterate (Ummi)? Because my people believe Muhammad as Illiterate person that may chant Quran as part of his miracle. Few my personal research said the right translation was Gentiles - those who did not receive or heard any previous scriptures. And i believe Muhammad writes Quran by his own hand because he was a merchant, there is no way he was illiterate. Whatsmore, why Allah made a surah about Pen to write if Muhammad can't write anything at all? What do u say about this?


Please see article below:

I hope this helps, God willing.


Posts on Facebook / Connecting with Like-minded People In Your Area
« on: May 14, 2019, 02:12:44 AM »
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Dear brothers and sisters,

As-salamu alaykum

I trust that Ramadan is going well for you all.

I do at times receive queries from searching souls from all over the world requesting information regarding the presence of Quran-focused study groups / like-minded communities in their areas.

Due to another recent request from a kind soul, I thought I'd suggest something that may help.

If you are happy to share the general area you are from as a comment below (or have specific knowledge of an area), please feel free to do so.

This may assist in two main ways:

  • Help you connect with like-minded people / families in your local areas if you so desire
  • May assist others to find out area specific information regarding Quran study groups etc. in their respective areas


Dear Beyond Tradition,

Wa alaikum assalam,

As you have solicited my humble opinion, my view would be that one can pray in the house or in the mosque.

My personal order of preference would be as follows:

  • Pray in a mosque in congregation.
  • Pray outside the mosque (home or elsewhere) in congregation.
  • Pray outside the mosque (home or elsewhere) alone.

If you cannot remember the exact number of rakats, then I would try to complete the salaat with best endeavours given the number of rakats you think you have completed and finishing with the rest of what you intended to pray. You can follow the traditional method or you can pray extra rakats / units if you wish.

As I have mentioned before, I have not found any cogent warrant to break tradition if it satisfies the general gist of the Quran's requirements. This is particularly the case, when the Quran has not specifically legislated on an action.

I hope this helps, God willing,




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