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Posts on Facebook / When Affliction Touches Humankind - Verse 010:012
« on: April 28, 2019, 11:14:18 PM »
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010:012
"And when affliction touches man (humans), he calls upon Us, whether lying on his side or sitting or standing; but when We remove from him his affliction, he continues as if he had never called upon Us to (remove) an affliction that touched him. Thus is made pleasing to the transgressors that which they have been doing"

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"Our Lord! Give us good in this world and good in the Hereafter and save us from the torment of the Fire!"

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Dear Beyond Tradition,

Wa alaikum assalam

Please kindly see the article below.

WHAT IS THE INJEEL?
http://quransmessage.com/articles/injeel%20FM3.htm

Regards,
Joseph

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Direct Facebook Link:
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.islam/posts/1419791808157942


SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH MINORS - A HEINOUS SUGGESTION


This short video may prove difficult viewing so please be kindly aware. The discussion is between a traditionalist and a Quran-focused gentleman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gfSkragdAg

To provide evidence for the need of the Hadith corpus as an authorised religious source, the traditionalist in the video even goes as far as to claim that on its own reading, the Quran would not prohibit sexual intercourse with a 5 years old. In my humble view, this is an unwarranted, outrageous and preposterous assertion against the Quran's position.

He claims: "If you just read the Quran, it would be halal to have sexual intercourse with a 5 year old" [53 seconds].

Please can I strongly suggest that if you have not already, please kindly read the following article [1] below where I have contended with such an unwarranted suggestion dealing with verse 65:4, This may assist to provide a counter argument, if such an assertion is made to you by a traditionalist or otherwise.

I hope this helps, God willing


REFERENCE:

[1] DOES VERSE 65:4 PROVIDE CONSENT TO CONSUMMATE A MARRIAGE WITH A FEMALE MINOR?
http://quransmessage.com/articles/verse%2065-4%20FM3.htm

RELATED:

[2] WAS AYESHA REALLY A CHILD BRIDE? - MARRIAGEABLE AGE FROM THE QURAN
http://quransmessage.com/articles/ayesha%20age%20FM3.htm
[3] NIKAAH - THE CONTRACT OF MARRIAGE
http://quransmessage.com/articles/nikaah%20FM3.htm
[4] FACEBOOK POST 493
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.islam/posts/320507234753077

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Posts on Facebook / Re: My Humble Advice Regarding Arabic and Prayer
« on: April 26, 2019, 07:50:18 AM »
Dear [Name Removed]

As-salamu alaykum

When I attend the congregational prayer, I do not mind what sectarian mosque it is (Sunni or Shi’i). All places of worship belong to God (72:18). At the point of prayer, the focus is God and I find that the sectarian prayer in essence does not contravene the Quranic expectations of prescribed prayer. If it did, I would not join it.

The recitation that I hear is purely from the Quran and during any silent recitation, I do not recite anything which would jeopardise that focus and my invocations remain solely to the One God, Most High.

It is not my concern what others in the congregation recite during their prayer routines. That is a matter between them and their Lord. I concentrate on mine.

After the prayer is complete, I depart from the congregation.

I hope this helps, God willing.

Regards
Joseph

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Dear Beyond Tradition,

Wa alaikum assalam

Please kindly see my responses to your questions in brown below:


I need to know is Bible scripture of God?

It depends as to what you mean by the Bible. Do you mean the canon Bible that is read today? Do you mean the different canons read throughout history? The various Books of the Bible? The Old Testament? The New Testament? Both? The Apocryphal / Gnostic documents? or specifically the canon Bible (both Old Testament and New Testament) read by the Arab Jews and Christians at the time of the Prophetic ministry?

The following post with the article link contained therein may assist:

LAMBASTING THE BIBLE
http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=146.msg370#msg370

In general, believers are expected to believe in all revelations. Please see verse 2:136.

Do Christian and Jews believe in one God ?

The Jews in the main believe in one God. There are some Christian denominations that also believe in one God (and not the Trinity). Those Christians that believe in the Trinity also 'claim' to believe in in One God but with three persons as part of the Trinity. This particular belief is not supported by the Jews, Muslims and some other Christian denominations.

and Day of Judgement ?

Yes

In which sense directly you reject them as non-believers?

I have never rejected them as non-believers.

What is the basic needs to be a Muslim according to Quran.

Please kindly see the article below:

MUSLIM AND MU'MIN (BELIEVER) - THE DIFFERENCE
http://quransmessage.com/articles/muslim%20mumin%20FM3.htm


I hope this helps, God willing.
Joseph


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Posts on Facebook / Re: The Weakness of Quran Focused Groups
« on: April 26, 2019, 02:41:12 AM »
Dear [Name Removed]

As-salamu alaykum

Please kindly see my responses to your comments in brown below:

"I have a question. How far do you think these "commonly held principles and beliefs" need to go? By that, do you mean the basics such as salat, zakah, hajj, saum and punishments such as lashing etc?"

In my humble view, they would need to go as far as to coalesce around an agreement of the basic tenets of the religion.  As only an example, this could be broadly divided into the following areas:

1. Fundamental beliefs / principles [Usuls]

Verse 2:285 would need to be defined and elaborated. For example, what does one mean by angels? The Quran lists this as a fundamental tenet of belief. In other words, there would be no point in asserting a belief in angels, whilst retaining very different perspectives of what the angels actually were. The same would apply to the 'Books' / Scriptures, messengers etc.

2. Basic Practices

As you suggest, this would include a common and defined understanding of 'Salaat', 'Zakaat', 'Hajj', 'Saum' etc. Again, it would be irreconcilable for one to assert that Saum referred to the abstinence of food and drink whilst another believed it simply meant following the Quran or one believed in ritual salaat and another did not. These would amount to irreconcilable fundamental differences of opinion in matters of religion.

3. Legal framework and Jurisprudence


"Or do you think everything in the Qur'an, including the differences of opinion in the understanding of "daraba", polygyny, dress code, "right-hand possessions" etc?"

These could be argued as secondary considerations. Here a difference of opinion would not necessarily be tantamount to a fundamental difference in religion.


"If the latter, then wouldn't that lead to the same problem that we have in traditional Islam today? Of everyone being told to follow the majority consensus?"

Not necessarily, as one would arguably be rid of the huge influence the tomes of secondary source literature places on Islamic thought. Admittedly, there will always be differences. However, a form of consensus should not always be seen in a negative light as the Quran does expect its adherents to come to common ground. How else could a Quran-centric / Quran-based community religion flourish?

Of course, the ability to critique should / will always remain open (outside the fundamentals) unlike much of the areas of traditional Islamic taught which doesn't appear to afford the same privilege or appears to create strong vehement opposition to even the finest of differences.

I hope this helps, God willing.

Regards,
Joseph


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Posts on Facebook / Re: Was Ritual Prayer a Practice Invented Later?
« on: April 26, 2019, 01:59:16 AM »
Dear [Name Removed]

As-salamu alaykum

You kindly ask "then how come no detailed explanation and examples of salat as a prayer is given in the Quran?"

Just because specific details (in the form currently practiced) are not explicitly stated by the Quran, does not imply that the overarching action is not required. Furthermore, the ritual prayer was already in situ as a practice before the revelation of the Quran. This is a point often not appreciated by many.

As to the absence of prescribed form and utterance of ritual prayer, it is arguably not the intention of the Quran to 'elaborate' on this for many reasons. For example, it may not wish to 'ritualise' a particular process with a view to allow for some flexibility and fluidity. It may also not wish to unnecessarily restrict all utterances within the prayer routine to a particular set form or language to allow for the needs of individuals within diverse communities with differing languages.

Where the Quran deems the need to clarify a particular process, it does. For example, the ablution process is clarified in detail in the Quran on more than one occasion (5:6; 4:43). Why else would a precursor to prescribed prayer such as ablution be mentioned and the prayer itself deemed not to be required?

I ask all my brothers and sisters not to forgo their prayers simply because of their inability to understand and answer the question 'Why does the Quran not teach us how to pray'. This is oft the guile of the traditionalist argument that promulgates the notion that the Quran isn't complete (otherwise why is the prayer routine not mentioned?).

Over the course of the decade at least that I have been discussing this issue in public, I have found many people unnecessarily duped by this deliberately misleading question.

My humble, yet prolific writings on this topic are available on various platforms, least my own website. However, please kindly see a couple of links below which may assist, God willing.

If you would like to discuss this further, please feel free to make use of the QM Forum where this topic has been dealt with comprehensively.

Regards,

Joseph


REFERENCES:

[1] HOW CAN WE LEARN PRAYER IF WE DON'T HAVE HADITH TO TEACH US?
http://quransmessage.com/.../prayer%20without%20hadith...
[2] Questions About Ritual Prayers from a Quran's Perspective
http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=507.0

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Posts on Facebook / My Humble Advice Regarding Arabic and Prayer
« on: April 25, 2019, 11:02:55 PM »
Direct Facebook Link:

https://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.islam/posts/1418992868237836


MY HUMBLE ADVICE REGARDING ARABIC AND PRAYER

It is arguably an undeniable fact that Prophets Abraham, Moses, David, Jesus and all the messengers before Prophet Muhammad and after Prophet Abraham prayed in a language other than Arabic / in their own native tongues [1]. It is also an undeniable fact that a vast portion of the Quran is itself a translation (i.e. translation of speech from antiquity and other species / God's creations into Arabic so that the primary audience of the Quran could understand the message).

However, in no particular order, I would humbly share the following as summary points to the title of the post:

1. I would separate the concept of 'congregational' prayer [standard agreed form and utterance] with 'private' prayer [standard agreed form with standard and supererogatory utterances]. As you will note below, both can have a slightly nuanced approach.

2. I would strongly advise those brought up in 'Muslim' households (or where Islam is practiced from birth), to make it an absolute duty to teach Quranic Arabic along with its recitation. The misery and or impact of ‘blind rote learning’ can never be underestimated [2]. The goal should at least be to teach the meanings of the Quranic Arabic words to aid recital. The Quran often repeats a lot of words and it is surprising how few words have to be learnt to cover over 80% of the Quran. There is a plethora of material online and with technological advancements and ubiquity; the avenues to learning have become far easier to access than they were arguably a generation ago. Therefore, those parents with young children, the process should start immediately whilst their children's minds are extremely receptive to learning new languages and adept at absorbing new information.

3. In native English speaking countries, I would still advise the congregations to retain Arabic for congregational prayer as the lingua franca. This is because that despite any public sermon (Khutbah) being in English (advisable), the congregation prayer is quite likely to attract worshippers from diverse backgrounds. Therefore, a common 'religious' language should always preferably remain the standard for congregations. This takes care of the recital of passages in the original Quranic Arabic and retains the incentive / need for worshippers to learn the language and its meanings. This also applies to Arabic speaking nations as those who are from such nations know very well that spoken / regional / dialectical Arabic differs much between each other and Quranic Arabic. If the language is completely alien, then language aids should be encouraged / used to understand meaning.

4. Private prayers can be mixed and along with Quranic recitation, one should also be encouraged to beseech their Lord in a language that is native to them within the prayer routine. This maintains relevance and spiritual connection. There is no harm in my humble view for a prayer in such an instance to become multilingual.

5. Those that enter the folds of Islam and do not understand Arabic should not be unduly coerced to maintain their utterances in Arabic which given their age, might be difficult to grasp. The distinctions in point [1] above should be made clear and they should be encouraged to learn as many meanings of Quranic Arabic words as possible, whilst retaining the fluidity to be able to beseech their Lord in a language they are most comfortable in, particularly in private prayer.


REFERENCES:

[1] DO WE HAVE TO PRAY IN ARABIC?
http://quransmessage.com/…/do%20we%20have%20to%20pray%20in%…
[2] THE MISERY OF BLIND ROTE LEARNING[/color]
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.islam/posts/413530532117413

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Posts on Facebook / Was Ritual Prayer a Practice Invented Later?
« on: April 25, 2019, 07:30:25 PM »
Direct Facebook Link:

https://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.islam/posts/1418880161582440


WAS RITUAL PRAYER A PRACTICE INVENTED LATER?

As per some claims within the Quran focused groups, there is absolutely no historical proof that a mass invention of ritual prayer ever took place which introduced this practice into Muslim thought. The latter claim is the focus of the short article below.


REFERENCE:

[1] WAS RITUAL PRAYER A PRACTICE INVENTED LATER?
http://quransmessage.com/articl…/invented%20prayer%20FM3.htm

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Direct Facebook Link:

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THE ASSERTION THAT 'THE QURAN REQUIRES NO OTHER SOURCE FOR INTERPRETATION' WITHOUT EXCEPTION IS FALSE

Those that claim otherwise, must answer the following two simple questions with intellectual honesty:

1. How does one then find the meanings of Quranic words / grammar constructs - syntax / semantics as the Quran is not a lexicon or dictionary?

2. How does one then understand words in the Quran that have only been used once in the entire Scripture (hapax legomenons)? Example: "Mikaeel " (2:98);  "Al-Tara'ib" (86:7); "Eid" (5:114)?

One simply cannot interact with a dictionary or lexicon and then uphold the notion that the Quran requires 'nothing else ' for interpretation without exception.


REFERENCES:

[1] TWO CRUCIAL DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE 'QURANIST' (ISM) AND 'QURAN-CENTRIC' APPROACH
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.islam/posts/542672849203180
[2] DIALOGUE BETWEEN A SUNNI AND A QURAN ALONE MUSLIM
http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=2328.msg12193#msg12193


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Posts on Facebook / Facebook Posts with Direct QM Forum Links
« on: April 23, 2019, 10:32:56 PM »
Direct Facebook Link:

https://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.islam/posts/1417592788377844


FACEBOOK POSTS WITH DIRECT QM FORUM LINKS

Dear All,

As-salamu alaykum

Please kindly note that going forward, Facebook posts will have an accompanying individual thread created on the QM Forum to enable any potential Q&As with regards the specific post.

This is to enable those that do not make use of Facebook to engage in appropriate discourse / related Q&As in relation to the post. It is also intended to provide those who make use of Facebook an opportunity to do the same, if it is their desire.

A direct link will be shared on each post going forward.

Of course, the complete Facebook posts database to date (from 2012) can be found in the link below:
http://quransmessage.com/(9)%20Facebook/Shared/fbmainlinksFM2.htm

Regards,
Joseph

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Dear All,

As-salamu alaykum

Please kindly note that going forward, Facebook posts will have an accompanying individual thread created on the QM Forum to enable any potential Q&As with regards the specific post.

Regards,
Joseph

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Posts on Facebook / The Weakness of Quran Focused Groups
« on: April 23, 2019, 10:10:02 PM »
Direct Facebook Link:

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THE WEAKNESS OF QURAN FOCUSED GROUPS
 
Let there be no doubt, that there are interpretations within the Quran focused groups which are so polarised, that they could for all intent and purposes, be following different religions.

For example, if one believes in ritual salaat prescribed by the Quran, and the other does not, this is not a trifling difference of opinion. This is a fundamental difference in religion. If one believes in abstinence of food and drink during Ramadan and another does not, this is a fundamental difference in religion. If one believes in the angels as a separate creation of God with awareness, and another simply as natural forces, this is a fundamental difference in religion.

Let us not be fooled. At times the Quran movement is so disparate, disjointed and disunited - even on fundamentals, that it can become a focus of ridicule even by the genuine critic.

To make the Quran based approach a powerful alternative to the traditionalist approach, it will have to unite under the canopy of commonly held principles and beliefs. A movement spearheaded towards a focused goal underpinned by commonly agreed religious precepts.

The Quran was never intended to be a 'free for all' with interpretations so diverse that no community could reasonably be expected to base their social and legal frameworks on it. The Quran is not simply a personal textbook for the individual. It is a guidance intended to allow a community based religion to flourish.

I would strongly advise brothers and sisters to coalesce around stable interpretations with a view to become a cogent viable alternative to the traditional thought process.


REFERENCES:

[1] MY BELIEFS IN A NUTSHELL
https://m.facebook.com/joseph.a.islam/posts/499283410208791
[2] QURAN-CENTRISM
http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=2622

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Posts on Facebook / Remaining Intellectually Honest With the Quran
« on: April 23, 2019, 10:08:01 PM »
Direct Facebook Link:

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REMAINING INTELLECTUALLY HONEST WITH THE QURAN. THERE IS NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION

Despite the Quran favouring an egalitarian lean to a primary Arab audience where arguably the societal tilt was in parts oppressive and unjust, there is no escaping the fact that the Quran also provides a religious remit in which it expects its adherents to operate.

It is my humble view, that if one feels the following is unacceptable from either a moral / philosophical / practical or religious standpoint and a true God would never have instituted these religious boundaries, then it is far more intellectually honest to dismiss the religion in the Quran as errant than to attempt to dissect and wrought the Quran by misrepresenting it to conform to one's worldviews. In the end, the Quran makes no compulsion in religion after it has made its narratives clear.

[1] The Quran rejects any physical intimacy outside the confines of holy matrimony (the sacred covenant of wedlock) which it accepts as lawful between a man and a woman. Any sexual pursuits by any gender outside this restricted ambit are considered a transgression by the Quran.
 
[2] In the confines of a household, the Quran places huge weight and the 'primary' burden to ensure financial responsibility, maintenance, fairness, justice and accountability on the shoulders of men. The Quran thus espouses a 'broadly' patriarchal approach to how it views an ideal familial structure should operate. However, this does not mean 'male domination' or a lack of compassion/justice. The Quran also brings forth rights to protect the interests of women (rights to inheritance / property/ earnings / opportunities / marital rights et al) which women have often been deprived of in many cultures today and of yore.
 
[3] The Quran expects its adherents to uphold certain rituals as part of worship. They should not be dismissed or 'read out' of the Quran by new-fangled interpretations without warrant.

[4] The Quran places great emphasis on justice and mercy. It also places great emphasis on exemplary punishments to be meted out as deterrents. This is with a view to avoid the proliferation of anarchy, lewdness/hedonism and general corruption (including the severance of legitimate rights), becoming the norm as part of society. The Quran makes it clear that powerful nations have been utterly decimated when a society reaches this point of transgression and there is no change in God's approach to destruction when the conditions of wantonness are met.

Of course, I have too at times, wrestled with narratives from the Quran and it has never always been easy to set aside my own modern biases / sensibilities when interpreting the Quran. However, to exercise as much fairness as one can muster during any exegesis, it is also true that one must allow the Quran to speak.

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