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General Discussions / Daughters of Lut
« on: November 02, 2012, 07:53:38 PM »
Salam all

i have a question about 11.78

The Monotheist Group   
11:78 And his people came rushing towards him, and before it they were committing sin, he said: "My people, these are my daughters, they are purer for you, so be aware of God and do not disgrace me regarding my guests. Is there no sane man among you?"
Muhammad Asad   
11:78 And his people came running to him, impelled towards his house [by their desire]:108 for they had ever been wont to commit [such], abominations. Said [Lot]: "O my people! [Take instead] these daughters of mine: they are purer for you [than men]!109 Be, then, conscious of God, and disgrace me not by [assaulting] my guests. Is there not among you even one right-minded man?"
Rashad Khalifa   
11:78 His people came rushing; they had grown accustomed to their sinful acts. He said, "O my people, it would be purer for you, if you take my daughters instead. You shall reverence GOD; do not embarrass me with my guests. Have you not one reasonable man among you?"
Shabbir Ahmed   11:78
 And the most iniquitous among his people came rushing to Lot. (They wanted the visiting messengers to approve their behavior.) Lot said, "O My people! Your wives, who are like my daughters, are permitted for you. Be mindful of God, and do not humiliate me in the presence of my guests. Is there not a single upright man among you?"
Transliteration   11:78
Wajaahu qawmuhu yuhraAAoona ilayhiwamin qablu kanoo yaAAmaloona alssayyi-ati qalaya qawmi haola-i banatee hunna atharulakum faittaqoo Allaha wala tukhzooni fee dayfeealaysa minkum rajulun rasheedun
11:78 وجاءه قومه يهرعون اليه ومن قبل كانوا يعملون السيات قال يقوم هولاء بناتى هن اطهر لكم فاتقوا الله ولا تخزون فى ضيفى اليس منكم رجل رشيد

 First, it does not mean how often translated, "here you have my daughters," but "these are my daughters." Either way is implied mostly so would the daughters offered to the aggressors. The second part is accordingly commonly translated as "they are purer for you." But why should the messenger of God offer his daughters to the wrongdoer with the words: they are purer for you??

So, what is the correct translation? And what God want tell us with this story??

the example from Lot it is not about homosexuality - it is about open fahischa - those men were so little gay as you and I. those men  didn't noticed the women  because the women for them was nothing -lower creatures >:(
Homosexuality is a matter between two individuals who love each other.(coupled with the feeling, to not  find the own gender attractive)
 The described Sex-orgies in  this Sura has to do with sexual perversion as we see it today everywhere (sex without a relationship, sex with animals, with children, with men and women, etc.) >:(

So i think God point to the fact, that
1. Love and respect must be an integral part of Sexuality - and the Sexuality only as an integral part  between two human who love each others. (and should be married)
2. To be married and have children is the normal
3. The fahischa from Lots people is less the actual homosexuality, but rather the unbridled perversion and not respectful of women (who God clearly has created as biological mothers and essential partners for men )

thanks for reading and your thoughts??
peace :)

General Discussions / high ground where
« on: November 02, 2012, 07:19:47 PM »
Salam all
i see this question in an other forum -and i wish to ask you here:

23:50 And We made the son of Mary and his mother a sign, and We gave them refuge on high ground, a place for resting and with a flowing stream.

In the above verse by "high ground, a place for resting and with a flowing stream."  does God mean  a particular location on earth or paradise?

Muhammad Asad's end note interpret this as paradise

Muhammad Asad - End Note 26 (23:50)
I.e., in paradise. The expression (ma'in) signifies "unsullied springs" or "running waters" (Ibn Abbas, as quoted by Tabari; also Lisan al-Arab and Taj al-'Arus), and thus symbolizes the spiritual purity associated with the concept of paradise, the "gardens through which running waters flow".

Sabbir Ahmed's translaton interpret as Can,aan where Jesus and his mother migrated after attempted crucifixion. Which means Jesus was still alive after crucifixion ?

23:50 And We made the son of Mary and his mother a symbol (of Our grace). We gave them abode on a land abounding in hills, affording rest and security and fresh water springs (as they migrated from Can'aan after the attempted crucifixion).

Ahmadiyya sect(A movement started by Mirza Gulam Ahmad of Qadian) interpret this as  Kashmir in india where Jesus migrated after surviving the crucifixion according

Also I came across some documentary which try to prove that Jesus might have migrated to Kashmir in india after surviving crucifixion.

Or was it the birthplace of Jesus described in Sura Marjam where God Made "The Son of Mary and his Mother" a sign ?
I tend to the first statement of M.Asad. What are your thoughts on this?
Salam :)

General Discussions / Re: How does satan have future knowledge?
« on: November 02, 2012, 07:13:03 PM »

from the context of the verses 7:13 to 7:19, I conclude that it was a mere allegation of a threat expelled by  Iblis to opposite God. A challenge or an evil promise.
Of course he does not know it. But this scenario is his wish and target,  with which he wish to threaten  God ...


General Discussions / Re: To defend the Hadith, attack the Qur'an !
« on: November 02, 2012, 07:06:02 PM »
Salam Saba
I hope you see what I mean ......    Saba

hmm yes i see it. :) thank you, because the first time i see it ;D
Your point is good.
 that would divide the hierarchy so:
First- Quran
Second- Bible (old revelations from God (Torah Injeel, Psalms)
Third- second literature about those revelations (Talmud, hadith)
5th- writings about other Religions
4th- no religious writings

So Quran directly supercedes only [/b the Torah, Injeel, Psalms

Salam :)

General Discussions / Re: Prophet Abraham asked to sacrifice his son?
« on: November 02, 2012, 06:58:17 PM »
peace Hope
Peace ladies,

Prophet Muhammad is not only al-Insan al-Kamil "Whole Man" but also the  al-Insan al-Qadim (Ancient Man).  I do not remember much now, I used to study Ibn Arabi but stopped when I realized his theory was based on a hadith that the world would not have been created without Muhammad.
this seems to be a theorie between Hadith and ancient creation myths...
  Anyway, the reason I used the terminology was to point out that  the Whole or Universal Man means to come out from oneself and to project one's will into the absolutely "Other"; the Ancient or Primordial Man means to return to our substance. It is a combination for man's spatial and temporal symbolism.
it is this view of God, what i'm completly not agree with. Sufismus states - as Buddhismus too- that we and God(or the 'nothing' or 'universal power' ) can be one-what lead to the conclusion from satanist: that in fact we ARE God. What else is the claim from Sufis leader /saints/holy priests to become ONE WITH GOD??? for me blasphemy :(

I see these terms manifesting in the Prophet Abraham.
how you see this terms manifesting in prophet abraham? i don't understand, sorry.


Islamic Duties / no shirk in worship
« on: November 02, 2012, 02:24:12 AM »

The Arabic word ‘Mushrikeeen’ means polytheists.  It comes from the root word ‘SH-R-K’ which is the practice of attributing other partners in the worship of the one true God of the universe. Calling upon others along with God or attributing intermediaries, intercessors, companions, God powers and characteristics which are only reserved for the Almighty Lord to any other being, is also tantamount to worship.

I have long been repeatedly stumbled over the same issue,  that would be: there is indeed Shirk in Worship[?
After careful study I conclude that there is no Shirk in Worship.
The Shirk describes itself as  give God a partner or wife or children, to ascribe people or Ginn  Divine attributes.
Therefore, it is not Shirk to make statues, as we can see from the example of Solomon. Therefore it is not Shirk, to bow in front of a cube, which is the symbol of a house of GOD (as churchs or mosques generally) ,(of course, in the knowledge that God dwells not in that cube.

So it is not Shirk, when Muslims raise their prophet into a high rank, they do not deify him as GOD . But clearly shirk if it is assumed that Jesus= God  or Mary= Mother of God.  (this against the clear statement from Sura al Ihlas) Equally shirk if we assume that there are a multitude of gods,and  one of them is the boss (because then we implies, that all gods can create or are has power over all living things. etc.) But not shirk if you take a good believer as 'saint' -certainly not very favorable compared to God, but not shirk
what is your thoughts? thank you and salam

General Discussions / Re: Q&A Blessings, Shaving the Head and Dhikr
« on: November 02, 2012, 01:57:30 AM »
Salam Wakas and all

for me i had always problems to understand, why God should tell the people to shave the HEAD  - i mean, ras is head, not hair, or??
in an other  place in  the Quran is Zina mentioned and interpreted as (hair)  jewelry, this sure only by the traditional Muslims.
I do not why God is not in this example, expressly says in no uncertain terms HAIR SHEARS.
God used in the Koran always exactly the most fitting word.
Why not here?I 'm curious for answers.
Salam :)

General Discussions / Re: Prophet Abraham asked to sacrifice his son?
« on: November 02, 2012, 01:49:00 AM »
Salam hope

In Sufi terminology, there is a term, insan al-kamil which Ibn Arabi uses it to describe the Prophet Muhammad meaning the perfect human.  It is based on hadith.  I believe the term fits Abraham better.  He represents the ideal human servant that I will never attain yet must strive to, nevertheless.  He is the one chosen as God’s friend for a reason.  He was a man of staunch faith in God thus he knew that nothing could cause him harm against the will of God.  He gave us the first faith lesson with the fire incident that if we resign ourselves entirely to God, there is no need to fear or grieve,  The same lesson is repeated in the sacrifice incident.

just one question: what is a perfect human??? what are the criteria for to become a perfect human?? in my humble view, there are no perfect human.  :)

but this a little bit off topic. i'm sorry. Salams

General Discussions / Re: To defend the Hadith, attack the Qur'an !
« on: November 02, 2012, 01:37:54 AM »
Salam Saba
Salaam Chadiga,

How can we decide what is truth and what is not? What is wisdom, what is not? Isn't this subjective? Isn't this a slippery slope? Maybe some will argue that there is wisdom in the story of Karbala. But who will decide whether the facts are true and whether they are  even  important? Saba
yes, i'm agree it is subjective. The last source must always be the Quran. But we read the bible and know, that there are mistakes , we read any book and know it is human-made --as the Ahadith also, but it not mean that we don't must read now any book again, or?? ;)

General Discussions / Re: To defend the Hadith, attack the Qur'an !
« on: October 31, 2012, 05:05:55 PM »
Salam Sardar
I would say, even in the Hadith there are truths of wisdom, as in other books too. Brother Mubashir has not even discussed, but passed an interesting information. I mean, we should be careful not to fall into the same trap as others: stubbornly refuse everything, just because it is attributed to Prophet Muhammad.
We recognize maybe wisdom of famous personalities, thinkers of history, why not also of Arab history?
My humble opinion :)

General Discussions / Re: To defend the Hadith, attack the Qur'an !
« on: October 31, 2012, 01:39:52 AM »
Salam Mubashir

psychologically completely clear: someone who can not  help himself with logic and with the innermost knows that he has no arguments, goes over to the (headless) attack .
Usually this ends with accusations or slander i.e. here accusation that the Quran must be wrong... :o

General Discussions / Re: Magic
« on: October 08, 2012, 06:44:43 PM »
Salam Hope

I suppose jinn can take human form too just like some angels or have the physical faculty of hearing like those listening to the Quran.  Solomon did not disagree with the jinn who claimed to be able to bring the queen's throne in an instant.

this question is in my mind since this early morning ;). Why this spirits are named 'jinn'? Because they are not visible for our eyes, or??
if they can take human form, then the  present situation on earth will become to much more clear..

The heart emits electromagnetic fields based on your emotions.  Sometimes I can feel the negative vibes coming from certain people when I am in close proximity to them. 

hmm i remember one hadith ( ;D) where the prophet he said, that if the heart bad, all the body seems to be more then a tale from the past..
yes i cann feel negative vibes too.


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General Discussions / Re: Magic
« on: October 07, 2012, 09:48:42 PM »
Salam all
I have more experience with the subject of magic - my husband worked intensively with the issue and, unfortunately, still seems to be obsessed with it.
I am of the opinion that although there is a magic that is also practiced by some people and apparently does have results, that these practices can never defraud , if  God does not allow it. Brother Joseph has this fact  presented very nice in his scheme about God.
The Magic fell -like everything else in the universe- under the creation of Allah. He and He alone is outside this creation,  outside time and space and not include their laws.Magic may act according to 'the laws of physics in the universe. So can anyone be 'bewitched', as, for example, can get a virus. Same magic may not produce the same for two people.
As for a cure through the Koran, Append I want that there is no question that our words have a certain effect on the Opposite. Words are power. The effect of words on substances has been proven several times, think of talking to plants or effects on the water.
And the Quran is the word of God- so it  is clear for me that it certainly has a very positive effect on a diseased organism. Which processes are involved is, of course, beyond my knowledge.

On the other hand people gives the magic  clearly too much weight. For example, I suffered for years under constant infection in uterus and stomach - the conclusion from my husband: clear magic....
The reading of Quranic Verses let me feel good of course, but i was still sick.. I was finally cured by simple treatment medicine. ;D

General Discussions / Re: Mary's Gender
« on: October 07, 2012, 08:06:51 PM »
Salam all
i really don't understand why the people has problems with miracles?? are we not all a complete miracle? :o
Allah may strengthen our faith and accept us .

General Discussions / Re: Linking 4:119 and 25:44 ?
« on: October 07, 2012, 08:00:14 PM »
Salamun alaikum

"I will mislead them, and I will create in them false desires; I will order them to slit the ears of cattle, and to deface the (fair) nature created by God." Whoever, forsaking God, takes Satan for a friend, has of a surety suffered a loss that is

 "Or do you think that most of them listen or use their intellect . They are only like cattle, nay, they are more astray from the way.

Can it be interpreted that word cattle  used in 4:119 is actually referring to people who follow their traditions blindly and give those traditions extra importance in their life without using  their reason ?

I have seen some male muslims who believe that some scholar will protect them on the day of judgement and then they become their 'Mureed' , after that they get their ear pierced and start wearing a ring in one ear.

And there are other example too from among muslims and non muslims here where piercing ears is given too much importance , not piercing of ear becomes a Taboo.

this is a very interesting connection that you establish here.
  Although I agree with hope that  marking the cattle is meant, it seems as if the man would become as cattle, if he does not used his intellect and  follows  the forefathers blindly  - or follows in this example the society blindly ;D.
The cross-connection  itself cannot be deny - Maybe  Allah in His wisdom and his precise choice of words  want to point out this special meaning, because the book is not only for the peoples of the past, but for the entire  humanity of the future as well.

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