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Salamu Alikum

Brother Joseph, If you have some time, I would like to know your thoughts on how a nation in the past would be judged before they would receive revelation from God.

Was it that modesty fairness and belief in God should of been passed down from the father Adam. and then when nations would transgress beyond bounds that God deemed it necessary to guide them and follow what He revealed.

How would the people lets say the Arabs from the time after Jesus(pbuh) to the time before Muhammad(pbuh) who were not part of the Christians be judged? Those who lived with no guidance or Book( revelation and scripture)


Salam

Salamun Alykum Br. Joseph

I read your last comments and I have actually thought of this a few times over the past couple of weeks about asking meaningless questions in a world that has far too much more concerns and worries. I stepped away from asking some questions of curiosity just because of that very point. Insha'Allah we remain cautious and alert of whats going on and the purpose of asking questions.


There are people who are muslims in land that there is no conflict and no wars. Some are borders with other Muslims that have wars and chaos in there land. And some are on the other side of the world. I can assume from a comment you made on Facebook that at least open the borders up to people in need and at least for women and children. Those leaders should take in people and open there borders.  For everyone in need there should be a ansar(helper) ready. I can't agree with that more. There is trial there for both. There is also people far away. there hearts are with all people who are being oppressed. Im not sure what they can possibly do or what can be asked of them in situations like this on the Day of Judgement.
And your right everyone is eventually going to die. The end results will take place on the Day of Judgement. whether people did what they are supposed to or not. everyone will get the fruits of what they earned. So if people did not do what they should do it will eventually all come back at us then.

Now the other scenario is the people living at war. Somehow it broke out. Everyone has there opinion of who's fault this is and all the stories to go alone with it. And there is good people living from every direction. No one is able to get out, no one wants to open its doors. At times both people or all people at war with each other claim they are fighting for the sake of GOD and fighting oppression of one another. There are others who sit from behind and wait to see the end result to say we were always with you. i understand  the verse below is referring to the prophet and his time. That some people from amongst the Prophets when they experience affliction they say this is from GOD when they shouldn't because these are the hypocrites.  What does one do who lives in those lands. There is no prophet amongst them.

You know brother i think its a scary situation. As believers we should be worried that we are missing the opportunity to be a helper and also should be watching out to NOT be a hypocrite. Because we will be questioned for our means. What i mean is that from a Qurans perspective those who did not fight with the Prophet are labelled disbelievers and hypocrites. And whats it seems like is from so many different sects of Islam this is what people are afraid of doing. Maybe they think they are fighting also in the name of Islam against each other. I don't know how to differentiate the situations. Who does one support. A Shia, A Sunni, A Quran centric, A Christian, A Believer etc. People are in groups that are hard to identify who is who. whats there real aim and mission? Are they say who they say they are? A person living in the midst of a war. He will probably just fight for he belongs to. Or the army that hired him.


there is one Aya(verse) that comes to mind 6:65 and i don't know if this is whats happening. or maybe we have to be careful of this as well 29:10-11

6:65
Say, "He is the [one] Able to send upon you affliction from above you or from beneath your feet or to confuse you [so you become] sects and make you taste the violence of one another." Look how We diversify the signs that they might understand.


29:10-11 Then there are among men such as say, "We believe in Allah"; but when they suffer affliction in (the cause of) Allah, they treat men's oppression as if it were the Wrath of Allah! And if help comes (to thee) from thy Lord, they are sure to say, "We have (always) been with you!" Does not Allah know best all that is in the hearts of all creation?
 

Just some thoughts if you wish to comment on. But I honestly don't expect you to.  I'm just confused and i noticed sometimes GOD shows us the signs as times goes by and the answers become clear.

Salam

Salamu Alaykum

Certain surahs (chapters) of the Quran begin with just certain letters like the alif lam meem or
alif lam ra
Ta ha
Saad
Ha miim
Ya seen

From what I know from translation is that it is kept the same
Or some say only GOD knows what they mean and not for us to know them

Any opinions on the matter

Thank you
Salam

Salamu Alaykum brother Joseph

The kutba(lesson) at the friday prayer today was what a man or women can do with there spouses.  After hearing so much ahadith which I got used to even though over the past little while I just go there for the sake of praying to GOD and to attend the Congressional prayer. But today it really just made me think that every who was there should of questioned this.

I know sura 2:187 talks about you can have relations with the spouses after night or breaking fast.
Now what I was hearing is that the prophet used to touch kiss play with his wives during fasting but would control his self. And also heard many other hadith saying how his companions did the same and that you can do these things but just be careful not to reach you know.   may Allah forgive me for even listening to things like this.

there was little children sitting and it was kind of weird. The speech was that you may touch the private parts and kiss and touch which was pretty disturbing. What came to mind was doesn't that break the fast of the women. I mean would there be explicit verses from the Quran to prove you can't do this.   

Salam

[except those whom your right hands possess]

Salamu Alykum

Dear brother Joseph

Can you help me out with understanding verse 4:24

Yusuf Ali
Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.


I understand that "your right hand possess" can not be restricted to the same meaning through out the Quran and needs to be read within the context.

Verse 4:24 is a continuation of the prohibitions that believing men cannot marry. So women who are married are not to be married again to another man. Or a man cannot marry a women who is currently married or in other words a women cannot have more than 1 husband. Now the except part I am trying to look at it in many ways here. I can assume many situations. But some situations just seem to me out of the kilter.  Because Im not understanding it right. So the question is:

A man can marry which women who is already married ?
or in other words which women may marry while she is already married

And in which meaning is best to understand "your right hand posses" here which would probably explain the previous questions?

only way I can see it is that a non-believing married women who turned to be a believing women either after a war or she left or ran away from her previous life out of her own choice without declaring divorce and wanted to marry a believing man? which typically she is still married? Then are these are the exceptions?


Salam

[Bible]

Asalamu Alaykum brother Jospeh

I was reading your article Ahmad

I would just like to know if I am understanding the article correctly and would like to know your humble best assumption because I am assuming that it can only be as best seen. I do believe that only Allah alone knows the whole Quran.

First according to verse 61:6 I am assuming that this statement you made below is probably what you think it means best?  I also find that your one of your main cause for the article was to prove to the people of the book and anyone that the Quran does not state that Ahmad is mention in the Bible?

"Equally, it is implausible to assume that the Bible writers captured every single conversation that Prophet Jesus (pbuh) was ever part of.

 
In this manner, the debate could well have been with regards messengership in general. This would explain the possible theological question as to why Prophet Jesus (pbuh) deemed it necessary to mention another messenger after him while the same audience was not prepared to instil faith in his own messengership."


I also would like to know a little more of what you mentioned below. I looked up viz a viz.  Not really sure what it means exactly.  Like face to face? Similar characteristics? I just couldn't understand the point. And also would you say viz a viz the Bible and the Torah also since 7:157 mentions both?

On the strength of verse 7:157 alone, what the Quran is likely referencing viz a viz the Bible are clear indications of the nature of a true Prophet such as Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) that should be followed and not a Prophet of a particular name.

Reason I am interested is because lots of talk about this subject and I seen videos that many muslims used to try to prove that Bible and Torah mentions the prophet Muhammad(pbuh). And it used to be convincing especially when I cant understand the people of the books language.  Im not saying that those doing the videos are doing it on purpose. Just maybe they feel thats the truth.


Take your time brother Joseph I know you very busy


Salam

Asalamun Alikum.

Dear brother Joseph Islam

As I was reading in the Quran and trying to focus on the audience and the speaker and who is narrating the story at times. I remembered you quoted a verse that was said by the prophet Muhammad(pbuh) in your article below


http://quransmessage.com/articles/prophetic%20assistance%20FM3.htm

As I been trying to follow the stories correctly, can you explain just briefly how its prophet Muhammad(pbuh) is saying this and not prophet Noah(pbuh)?

I been noticing the changes in when Allah(swt) is talking to someone or to the reader or the prophets(pbut)  and the changes of a person speaking from time to time to there people etc. Although the whole Quran is the word of Allah(swt). I am not noticing the change in verse 10:31 from Noah to Muhammad (pbut).


Just thought maybe something im not looking for or im missing that can help when reading Inshallah

Peace

Hamzeh

Salamun alikum

Is there any indication from the Quran on when a husband and wife can get back together after a women delivers a baby?

I heard its 40 days not sure if that's a Qurans perspective or ahadith

Thanks

Salam

Asalamun Alikum

Dear brother Joseph

I happened to read some of your articles and some discussions you made with certain people regarding "Women praying with men" website below

http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=101.0

I was thinking about this. As I believe the Quran is complete for religious guidance and gives many examples that we can benefit from. The example the Quran gives regarding Mary bowing down with those that bow down still can be argued by others that its not clear whether its male or female. But it does not really say that it should not happen either.

I thought a little more and I wanted to share these two verses that I remembered about what a person should do when approaching prayer and when ablution(wudu) should be done.

Yusuf Ali (4:43)
O ye who believe! Approach not prayers with a mind befogged, until ye can understand all that ye say,- nor in a state of ceremonial impurity (Except when travelling on the road), until after washing your whole body. If ye are ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from offices of nature, or ye have been in contact with women, and ye find no water, then take for yourselves clean sand or earth, and rub therewith your faces and hands. For Allah doth blot out sins and forgive again and again.

Yusuf Ali (5:6)
O ye who believe! when ye prepare for prayer, wash your faces, and your hands (and arms) to the elbows; Rub your heads (with water); and (wash) your feet to the ankles. If ye are in a state of ceremonial impurity, bathe your whole body. But if ye are ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from offices of nature, or ye have been in contact with women, and ye find no water, then take for yourselves clean sand or earth, and rub therewith your faces and hands, Allah doth not wish to place you in a difficulty, but to make you clean, and to complete his favour to you, that ye may be grateful.

As we know that when we have congressional prayer many times we are in contact with each other. sometimes the feet, sometimes shoulders, or elbows, and sometimes as i seen people grabbing one another just to get closer etc 

from the 2 verses above if the word lamastumu means just touching women and not necessarily having any relations(sexual) with them because I see the 'ceremonial impurities' would include the sexual relationship. If lamastumu means just touching or contacting of non marriageable women in general. Then

Its difficult to see how man and women can pray together as they might touch each other but the Quran asks to make ablution(wudu) before approaching prayer if you become in contact with each other.  so pretty much one has to keep making ablution during the prayer and actually he or she can't even pray because soon as contact happens its time for ablution(wudu) again. Seems like the verses are suggesting a separation between men and women during prayer.

And also you mentioned " However, gender separation can still be maintained despite prayer being performed in the same prayer hall. I know of many women that would feel uncomfortable praying along with unknown men and vice versa. I don't think that one has to prove a point by intermingling both sexes as I'm sure you will agree."

I agree with that statement, and also it can be distracting for both genders if the right intentions are not there.

And taking the hajj for example that they have mixed intermingling men and women does not indicate that is correct though it might be, which im not saying that thats what you stated but just to point out another thought.


God knows best

and thank you my dear brother for all the hard and dedicated work that you continue to share with us. May Allah(swt) bless you and your family.

Jazak Allah Khair

Salam

Salamun Alikum

Dear brothers and sisters

What is your opinions from a Quranic point of view on Immunization and vaccinations such at the time of birth or through ones life?

I did a lot of reading about immunizations, and I just cant seem to get the right answers and make up my mind on such a topic. The opinions of doctors and patients seem very hard to tell whats right and whats wrong.

There is from some people who tell you through studies that immunization for children is harmful and caused lots of harm. And that the studies and testing of immunization is on this generation and its being test now. And the pandemics that happened was not cured by immunizations and it was by better hygiene and cleanliness. and after the use of immunization many peoples immune systems are getting weaker and also causes diseases and does not let the full development of the immune system to develop.

on the other hand, there are other doctors and people who stand up for immunizations and say this is what helped people all over the world to cure the sicknesses. And its been around for a very long time and dates back 1000's of years. And its so safe that you can inject a child with 100 needles and it wont harm them.

I know from the Quran, Allah(swt) tells us honey is a healing for men

Then to eat of all the produce (of the earth), and find with skill the spacious paths of its Lord: there issues from within their bodies a drink of varying colours, wherein is healing for men: verily in this is a Sign for those who give thought.  (16:69)

Also mentioned in the Quran is that

The One who has PERFECTED EVERYTHING HE HAS CREATED and began the creation of mankind from clay (32:7)

The Ayah above I can see it to mean about the form of humans and everything else. But also maybe that the human can have the capabilities of fighting things that are harmful in the world. That it has a defence system created with it.


I think from both point of views one can argue his views by people who have been harmed by them and people who maybe be helped by them.


I can understand that this might not be a religious question rather a medical question.
Its just that sometimes its seems like if someone doesn't take the vaccines its made to seem like its life threatening. And vice versa.

I know that some illnesses can be causes by ones self, by inflicting harm to his or her self. by eating bad, uncleanliness, bad substances etc.

And some are from the Allah(swt)

Also I am not against advancement in the world as the world is progressing and people are learning and developing new things. But I can also see things being for other peoples self interest and making money.

I know from generation to generation parents all line up to give their children the vaccines without question. They all assume its good and its just right. They have no idea what inside of them and the effects if any. They can be possibly safe, but I just got a bad feeling about them from reading many cases on the internet and peoples reviews.

Also I know the Quran states

And pursue not that of which thou hast no knowledge; for every act of hearing, or of seeing or of (feeling in) the heart will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning). (17:36)

I believe in depending on the creator always, and also He has given us knowledge and good things to use in this world.

I watched the movie "pursuit of happiness" and I remember the tale the son was telling his father

Hey dad, you wanna hear something funny? There was a man who was drowning, and a boat came, and the man on the boat said "Do you need help?" and the man said "God will save me". Then another boat came and he tried to help him, but he said "God will save me", then he drowned and went to Heaven. Then the man told God, "God, why didn't you save me?" and God said "I sent you two boats, you dummy!"

I would say it makes me think somewhat similar to something like vaccines if someone did not take them or give them to their kids. Like why didn't someone take them when they were available and it was a source of help if that is the case. I hope you get my point

Any help from the Quran's guidance would be very appreciated

Also would like to hear brother Joseph Islam perspective

Thank you

Salamun Alikum

Salamun Alikum to all

1. Is every man and women already written for them who there wives/husbands are going to be? also one starts to think that if thats the case then the unmarried and never does get married is also destined to be like that? example. Naseeb

2. And also another thought that fits in with this is, no matter how hard a person works or tries his end result is always going to be the same? Wether sleeping all day or working hard during the ones life, the wealth is determined before a person is born? example Rizq

couple of years ago i had many discussions with friends that always tried to convince me that everything is always written and pre destined and we just cant change anything and some people are chosen over others. I could never understand there points and always replied to them that they heard wrong and was not a islamic belief, there was just something that you guys are missing. But they swore thats what they heard and ask any sheik? But with little knowledge it is hard to explain to people the matters. So I left the matter alone un-answered. And to be honest I also had many doubts about the fact and doubted that the truth is something like that. A person would have the right to say then why would we be tested and put in either a great place or a bad place for something that was pre-destined? when we know that God is a loving God, most just, most merciful and compassionate.

Recently Alhamdulila I read brother Josephs discussions on "Pre-ordained destiny" which it cleared up sooooo much. Jazak Allah Khair Brother.


Now the question is would the same concept be left for marriage and wealth? As this is also a free will and choice of a person?


Any thoughts?

Peace

["Understanding the Crucifixion of Jesus (pbuh) from a Quran's Perspective"]

Salamu Alikum

As I was reading the articles  "Understanding the Crucifixion of Jesus (pbuh) from a Quran's Perspective" and "IS THE SECOND COMING OF PROPHET JESUS (pbuh) SUPPORTED BY THE QURAN?" by Brother Joseph Islam. I came to think about something.


in EVIDENCE 3

NO MESSENGER WILL KNOW WHAT HAS HAPPENED ON EARTH AFTER THEY DIE

005.109
"One day God will gather the messengers together, and ask: "What was the response you received (from men to your teaching)?" They will say: "We have no knowledge: it is You Who knows in full all that is hidden."

There is no exclusion for Prophet Jesus (pbuh) in this verse and resonates Prophet Jesus's (pbuh) comments captured in 5:116-117


the above is from IS THE SECOND COMING OF PROPHET JESUS (pbuh) SUPPORTED BY THE QURAN?


And I came to think about this Verse below:


The translation of the qurans surah 25:30 is as follows:



Sahih International
And the Messenger has said, "O my Lord, indeed my people have taken this Qur'an as [a thing] abandoned."

Muhsin Khan
And the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) will say: "O my Lord! Verily, my people deserted this Quran (neither listened to it, nor acted on its laws and orders).

Pickthall
And the messenger saith: O my Lord! Lo! mine own folk make this Qur'an of no account.

Yusuf Ali
Then the Messenger will say: "O my Lord! Truly my people took this Qur'an for just foolish nonsense."

Shakir
And the Messenger cried out: O my Lord! surely my people have treated this Quran as a forsaken thing.

Dr. Ghali
And the Messenger has said, "O Lord! Surely my people have taken to themselves this Qur'an as a thing to be forsaken."




One might think that how can one verse say that all the messengers(pbut) had no knowledge about there people and then the messenger Muhammad(pbuh) knew what his people did by saying they either abandoned or treated the Quran as a forsaken thing?



If I had to give my opinion or guess, the verse 25:30 seems to be taking place on the day of Judgement. Or maybe after that day or the end of it. It makes me think that maybe the Rasul is the witness on the Day of judgement to his people and after seeing the outcome or the result of the peoples trial he says that.

And verse 5:105 is probably being asked before the Judgment has taken place or before trial?

Im not saying the verses are going against each other. But i enjoyed the articles and I thought I would ask about something that came to my mind.


Inshallah Brother Joseph can lend me a few minutes and give me his explanation on the verses or point me to a article that explains them.

Salam

Hamzeh

Salamu Alikum

Dear Joseph

I hope that im not being repetitive of other questions and I read many of other related topics and I am still not convinced of a clear answer. However I came to a couple interesting thoughts while reading so many peoples opinions but before I give my thoughts to just anyone, I need someone to look at this with a good understanding of the quran and can relate it to every ayah so im not in any contradictions with any. From about 2 month ago i started to read many things from this website and i thought I would ask if I can give my opinion and if it would hold true from the quran about the messengers and prophets.

rasul= messenger

nabi= prophet

PROPHETS

1. We know first that in the quran that prophet Muhammad is the seal of the prophets.

2. We know from the quran prophets can possibly make mistakes

3. We know some times in the quran Allah calls Muhammad(pbuh) a prophet and sometimes a messenger

4. We also know from the quran that chosen people of  Allah(swt) can be both messengers and prophets at the same time

5. and also sometimes chosen people from Allah(swt) are only called prophets or just messengers and not both at the same time

6. I think there is also more than one prophet at the same time that came to a ummah or people. and also 2 or more messengers at one time.

sorry for not quoting any of the statements i made above from the quran. Im hoping someone who memorized the quran can see what I'm trying to point out and maybe it could be an interesting conclusion if its in conjunction with the quran.

now the question is is Muhammad(pbuh) also the final messenger?

to me there has to be a difference between a messenger of Allah(swt) and a prophet of Allah(swt)

I would like to share what I think my opinion is as to what a messenger of Allah(swt) is and its just an opinion but a more learnt person of the quran can put this opinion more to use and can answer a lot, if it holds to be true but Allah knows best.

messenger of Allah(swt):

1. i think that when Allah(swt) mentions rasul(messengers) and only when its relating to his rasul, when its his messengers,they never did a mistake. the only times i referenced a mistake happening from chosen people from Allah(swt) is when he calls them prophets(nabi)

2. Also the angel Gabriel is also a rasul

3. Also just to keep in mind when Allah(swt) mentions his messengers its like there infallible and cannot make a mistake carrying out the revelations. and what i noticed is that maybe prophets can make a personal mistakes in there life but they did the best they could to carry out or to give a example of the revelation. but if a person chosen by Allah(swt) is both a messenger(rasul) and a Prophet(nabi). at times he is infallible when Allah(swt) is calling him by  " oh messenger" and sometimes he makes mistakes when he is called by "oh prophet".

for example

Quran tells us

obey Allah and the messenger and those in authority... not the prophet but Muhammad(pbuh) was a messenger and a prophet.
what im trying to say is maybe when a person choosen by Allah(swt) is called by a messenger he is almost like a angel in a way where he can not make a mistake by any means.

when i keep all this in mind ayat like 3:81 makes more of an understanding but just to clarify i can be very wrong because I dont know all the ayat off by heart and maybe I'm missing something.


003.081

Sahih International
And [recall, O People of the Scripture], when Allah took the covenant of the prophets, [saying], "Whatever I give you of the Scripture and wisdom and then there comes to you a messenger confirming what is with you, you [must] believe in him and support him." [ Allah ] said, "Have you acknowledged and taken upon that My commitment?" They said, "We have acknowledged it." He said, "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses."

Muhsin Khan
And (remember) when Allah took the Covenant of the Prophets, saying: "Take whatever I gave you from the Book and Hikmah (understanding of the Laws of Allah, etc.), and afterwards there will come to you a Messenger (Muhammad SAW) confirming what is with you; you must, then, believe in him and help him." Allah said: "Do you agree (to it) and will you take up My Covenant (which I conclude with you)?" They said: "We agree." He said: "Then bear witness; and I am with you among the witnesses (for this)."

so from this ayah the prophets are probably taking or memorizing and acting out the scriptures of their time a scripture already preached by a previous messenger, but when a new messenger comes confirming what is with them they must be with him and believe what he says. just a thought.

also the way i look at it is lets see what a messenger really does and who he is in general. like maybe a general definition:

I would say for example if you told me to carry out a message or speak a message out to some people, I would be your messenger. if I was to say something else you didn't tell me or in a different way I wouldn't be carrying out your message, so to do that I would have to say exactly what you said.

And for Allah's message to be complete a person choosen by Allah(swt) has to be infallible at those moments. And so has to be Angel Gabriel. Noway along the line the message being passed on can there be personal faults or mistakes.

now when taking other concepts from the quran like:

every nation has a messenger and every messenger will be a witness for its people, maybe in the past every nation did have its messengers some of them Allah(swt) has mentioned and some he hasn't. and Muhammad(pbuh) was a messenger to the whole world.

Also only Allah(swt) guides and only he can guide and open the way. so how can one be on the list of who he guides? maybe by being honest and just and looking and searching for the truth. And just maybe because there is not going to be anymore messengers or prophets of Allah(swt) the only guidance is Allah(swt) and the book. and a person must take the best therein from where ever he maybe. and we have to remember there is not a leaf that falls but that he knows of it. surah 6 aya 59

And with Him are the keys of the Ghaib (all that is hidden), none knows them but He. And He knows whatever there is in (or on) the earth and in the sea; not a leaf falls, but he knows it. There is not a grain in the darkness of the earth nor anything fresh or dry, but is written in a Clear Record.

for humans there is not even that many as compared to leafs he knows who wants the truth or not. I dont see any importance of any messengers or mahdis coming to save a people or teach a people when they themselves dont want. the religion of Allah(swt) has been perfected and finalized for the future. and also as time was going by it was always perfect for the people of that time.

Now i also ask is a messenger always automatically a prophet?

After what my opinion was above I would have to say yes. because a person who is a messenger of Allah(swt) is at times a normal human being who is considered his prophet who lives his life and tries to carry out the message in his personal life and as a example. But when he reveals something that the Angel told him or Allah(swt)( example moses) then its a revelation and cannot be altered or changed and we notice that by how Allah says in surah al haqqah69 aya 44 to 48 that he would of cut him from the aorta.

so maybe a messenger is always a prophet and if prophethood is finalized then so is messengers of Allah(swt)


Also when obeying Allah and the messenger

how can someone really obey Allah(swt) if really you dont take the revelation from the messenger first. because its really impossible. because it like from Allah to the Angels to the MESSENGERS to the books to the people
so really if we cant obey the messengers first then we wouldn't have the revelation. without the messengers really the revelation wouldn't be there. Unless Allah wanted it to come in a different way but thats not the case from the Quran.

also from a forum on your website called "messengers will continue to come" you stated this

023:051
"O Messengers! (Arabic: rusulu - plural). Eat of the good things and do right. Indeed, I am aware of what ye do"
 
Here it is clear that those who were around Prophet Muhammad were also being called 'messengers'. If we assume for a second that Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Ali are real personalities (I have no reason to deny it - but we are outside scripture for now) and were active in spreading the message, then they would have been possibly included into this address.

I read a few ayahs before and after and I can be wrong but it doesn't seem to be saying that to Muhammad only and his companions. the ayah before that talks about Jesus(pbuh) and his mother.

maybe it really is refering to all of Allah's messengers

Also this verse you stated

007:035
"O ye Children of Adam! whenever there come to you messengers from among you, rehearsing My verses (Arabic: ayati) to you, those who are righteous and mend (their lives), on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve"

this can still mean all the messengers before Muhammad(pbuh). doesn't really have to mean there needs to be messengers after him, they were still the children of Adam coming from different ummah's and tribes and nations.

**this aya could also be referring to messengers from amongst you which is us, its not stating that these messengers are Allah's(swt) messengers. there just messengers who are amongst us who are rehearsing his verses. in this case these messengers would have to be reading the ayat or rehearsing them correctly but not a revelation sent to them or they can't claim to be a messenger of Allah(swt) because its "rusulun MINKUM"


also is there a different in arabic when saying rusulun or rasulun? Im just comparing the word messenger from 07:35 and 03:81
maybe it makes a different as who the speaker is and who its pointing out to be?


also sometimes the qurans mentions a messenger and a prophet at the same time but from the above opinion i see it still doesnt contradict my opinion. However brother I read many many interesting articles on your website and i thought I would like to share this with you hoping you can add something or correct me in any way.

also i apolagize if this is something you already responded to in the past and its making a repetition of an answer. i looked many places on the internet and everyone seems to have opinions not based on the quran alone and any facts.

I also read opinions on some other sects of islam and how many people are claiming to be messengers of Allah(swt) because they are saying that its not mentioned and it seems only fair that Allah(swt) guides everyone through the end of times with a messenger. But even though i dont really see a logic to that if the complete truth is already here. and the messengers that are being claimed are saying there is new revelations that have new laws and they state that the quran was a past law and guide. And now there is new book to be followed which to me if it was from the All mighty it would not contradict with a previous scripture and hold the same basis. when looking at the Torah and The Gospel and trying to decipher the truth out of them, they do go in the same path and conjunction with the Quran especially how they foretells the prophet Muhammad(pbuh).

Also sorry I do have a hard time writing and speaking what my thoughts really are and using the right and appropriate words. I know my literature is not very good. I hope you get a understanding of what im trying to say and Inshallah I will hear back from you shortly

Everything I have mentioned is just a thought and opinion and I am not to debate who's right and who's wrong. I really appreciate and find it nice to have good honest justified opinions. And inshallah when facts are seen they can be taken as facts. And it would be nice to hear from you thank you.




Hamzeh