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General Discussions / Re: An apparent conflict here?

« on: August 30, 2012, 01:26:59 AM »

Salamun alaikum Brother Mubashir,

Of-course it does not include those who believe in TRINITY or God with HUMAN QUALITIES or any other form of shirk within the category of believers or people of the book.

2:62  (Shakir)  Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

There are 4  categories mentioned in 2:62 and 5:69
1-Believers (who are distinct) , 2- Christians , 3- Jews , 4- Sabiens

And then requirements and outcome is mentioned in later part of those verses.

I don't know what Bible says , but a person can believe in God and the last day based on his UNDERSTANDING , KNOWLEDGE and ANALYSIS of things around him.
We all know that among Orthodox Muslims too , many false stories are famous which contains shirk (like Giving Human Qualities to Allah , Exaggerating the status of Prophet Muhammad , etc)  but many Orthodox Muslims just neglect these stories.

Also majority of Christians do not read and analyze Bible , so the major factor which determines one's concept of God is Analysis of things around them. 
There are many Christians who do not believe in trinity and Jesus as a god.

“I can see how it might be possible for a man to look down upon the earth and be an atheist, but I cannot conceive how he could look up into the heavens and say there is no God.”
 -Abraham Lincoln

Only Allah knows best.

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General Discussions / Re: An apparent conflict here?

« on: August 28, 2012, 02:25:41 AM »

Salamun alaikum Brother Mubashir ,

Brother , I do not find any reason  why 2:62 is referring specifically to pre-quranic era ONLY.

2:62  (Yusuf Ali)  Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

2:62  (Shakir)  Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

2:62  (Pickthall)  Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve.

In corpus.quran , it is translated as 'Those who believed' which can be used while referring to past as well as present situation according to me.

'Those who believed' is referring to peoples who were Muslims , who reverted to Islam(Submission to Allah) before this verse (2:62) was  revealed.  (Muslims during time of Muhammad and past times)


28:51 And We have delivered the message, perhaps they may take heed.
28:52 Those to whom We had given the Book before this, they will believe in it.
28:53 And if it is recited to them, they say: “We believe in it. It is the truth from our Lord. Indeed, we had submitted before it (Arabic - Muslimina)

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Now what you extract from 3:85 depends on how you translate ISLAM and DEEN as.
'A Religion of Islam' (Islam being untranslated) or 'SYSTEM of SUBMISSION' to Allah.

Please see these articles ,
http://www.quransmessage.com/articles/muslim%20mumin%20FM3.htm
http://www.quransmessage.com/articles/people%20of%20the%20book%20FM3.htm


3:113-114
"Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand: They rehearse the verses of God all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in God and the Last Day;they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten in good deeds: They are in the ranks of the righteous"

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General Discussions / Re: An apparent conflict here?

« on: August 26, 2012, 02:16:21 PM »

Salamun alaikum ,
Quran says that among the people of the book , there are some people in minority who believes in Allah , do not do shirk , work righteously , and submit to the will of Allah.

2:62 is referring to such kind of people.


"And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be
among the losers."

This can be translated is a more better way i think.

"And whoever desires other than submission to Allah as religion/system - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Here after, will be
 among the losers."

Hope it helps.

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General Discussions / Understanding 111:1 of Quran without using secondary Islamic sources?

« on: August 25, 2012, 05:36:13 AM »

Salamun alaikum forum members ,

It is a commonly asked question by Hadith follower Muslims that how this verse can be understood using Quran alone?.

تَبَّتْ يَدَا أَبِي لَهَبٍ وَتَبَّ

111:1 Perish the hands of the Father of Flame! Perish he! (Yusuf Ali)

111:1 The power of Abu Lahab will perish, and he will perish. (Pickthall)

111:1    Perdition overtake both hands of Abu Lahab, and he will perish. (Shakir)

Who was Abu lahab ?

Thank You.

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General Discussions / Surah fatiha (The opening) , different translation of last verse by MAS Abdel Haleem ?

« on: August 21, 2012, 10:13:31 PM »

Translation by MAS ABDEL HALEEM 

1:6 Guide us to the straight path

1:7 the path of those you have blessed , those who incur no anger(1)  and who have not gone stray.

(1)- note that the verb is not attributed to God as it is in many translation.

I want to ask that which translation is more correct , Abdel haleem's  or all other major translations. I used corpus.quran but i cant figure it out .
We use this surah in our daily prayers and i offer it in my mother tongue , so it becomes important to know it .
Thank you.

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General Discussions / Re: verse 16:63 , why Allah himself says 'By Allah' in it ?

« on: August 21, 2012, 09:58:41 PM »

Salaam alaikum , Thanks Joseph islam and optimist for giving your time to reply on my post.

I understood it sir. 16:63 is words of angel , the angel says 'By Allah' , we (angels and god , on the command of god alone) sent to the nations before you .
Sahih international uses the word messenger in brackets to explain it , but now after viewing your explanation  i think 'warning or good news' makes more sense here.knowing arabic grammer , what are your views on it sir .
Thank you.

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General Discussions / verse 16:63 , why Allah himself says 'By Allah' in it ?

« on: August 20, 2012, 07:35:45 PM »

16:63 (Sahih international translation)
"By Allah , We did certainly send [messengers] to nations before you, but Satan made their deeds attractive to them. And he is the disbelievers' ally today [as well], and they will have a painful punishment.

Please will you explain me why Allah used the words 'By Allah' himself in 16:63 ? Looks strange.

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General Discussions / Was the flood on Noah's people global or local ?

« on: August 13, 2012, 02:17:50 AM »

Salaam alaikum all group members ,
I have been thought since childhood that it was a global flood .
But carrying a pair of each  living species who live on land  on a ship is not possible.
On the other hand , Noah's son took refuge on mountain but still he drowned.
Or was it global flood or a local flood or like a tsunami ?
Thank you.

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General Discussions / can someone explain me 11:7 about God's throne on water and about sorcery ?

« on: August 09, 2012, 10:53:36 AM »

Salaam alaikum group members , Can someone explain me 11:7 ?

"And it is He who created the heavens and the earth in six days - and His Throne had been upon water - that He might test you as to which of you is best in deed. But if you say,"Indeed, you are resurrected after death,"those who disbelieve will surely say,"This is not but obvious magic."

I have 2 confusions in this verse .

1) Regarding god's throne/rule  on water.

2) that why they the peoples would say that this is clear sorcery when nothing abnormal happened in that scene ?

i am curious to know it because this verse can be used to support extra-quranic stories in which prophet did miracle.
Thanks in advance.

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General Discussions / Peoples who cant afford to read and understand quran ?

« on: July 31, 2012, 04:16:29 AM »

Salaamun alaikum to all the members ,

What Quran tells about peoples who can not afford to learn Quran , basics of islam , etc. and then do shirk.
some examples of people who comes in these category  (According to my experience) i am sure many other type of peoples will also come in this category.

1) Lady whose husband is dead , have a small child , works day and night to eat , do not have time to do anything except her job, do not know to read and write.

2) lady born on road , do not know to read and right , strives to eat.


3) A man lost his one hand ,lives just above  poverty line and   no bank balance , teaches in madarsa(islamic schools teaching Quran and Hadith) , his any reasoning against orthodox thinking will lead to his expulsion from his post. He has to support his old parents too.

Statue worshiping is very common here , so if such peoples (example 1 and 2 ) commits shirk looking at others around them, what will be their fate in light of Quran ?

Please also comment on example 3 .

Thank you.


 

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General Discussions / Re: Correct Time of Iftaar( breaking of the fast in Evening)

« on: July 25, 2012, 05:28:08 PM »

salaam alaikum . Thank you sir.

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General Discussions / Correct Time of Iftaar( breaking of the fast in Evening)

« on: July 25, 2012, 04:22:02 AM »

2:187(Yusuf Ali translation)
 Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives.
They are your garments and ye are their garments. Allah knoweth what ye used to
do secretly among yourselves; but He turned to you and forgave you; so now
associate with them, and seek what Allah hath ordained for you, and eat and
drink, until the white thread of dawn appear to distinct from its black thread;
then complete your fast till the night appears;

Tafseer of Yusuf Ali :-
Till the night appears: From the actual practice of the Holy
Prophet, this is rightly interpreted to mean: "Till sunset."

The word Al-Layli  is translated by different translators as
Sahih international - Sunset
Muhsin Khan - Night fall
Pickthall - Nightfall
shakir - Till Night
Dr.Ghali - Night
Corpus.Quran.com/wordbyword.jsp - Night

Among south Asian Muslims , Iftaar is done just before Adhaan of Maghrib prayer , Before Actual blackening of the sky . Sky is dark blue  and stars and moon are not visible at that time.
What Should be done in a situation that  friends  and colleagues are calling to eat(Break the fast)  And Sky is not yet Black. Showing them verse 2:187 will be explained by Practices of Prophet written in Hadith and tafseers by them.

WHAT SHOULD BE DONE IN SUCH SITUATION  MAINTAINING OUR RELATIONS WITH HADITH FOLLOWER MUSLIMS ?
 

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General Discussions / Re: confusion while interrelating 5:3 and 6:145 (forbidden items for food)

« on: July 23, 2012, 02:44:35 AM »

Walaikum salaam sir ,
yes it was 6:145 . it was typing mistake done by me.

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General Discussions / Re: confusion while interrelating 5:3 and 6:145 (forbidden items for food)

« on: July 22, 2012, 09:21:46 AM »

Dear Joseph sir , i understood your reply , Thank you . I got your point .

My doubt is almost clear

Main aim of 6:145 was to challenge pagan's superstitions(6:143,144)   that all grazing animals are lawful except ...... , it excluded their 'way of death ,  way of division and if eaten by wild animals  ' explained in 5:3

still i want to ask one question
Verse 6:154 uses a word fis'qan which means disobedience , sinful act , wickedness .
 
does this word captures the additional things mentioned in 5:3 (hit fatally , strangled , gored , scarified on stone altars , division by arrows , fatal fall from height , eaten by wild animals) , most of the terms non included in 6:145 is their ''way of death''.

Thank you for help.

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General Discussions / Re: confusion while interrelating 5:3 and 6:145 (forbidden items for food)

« on: July 20, 2012, 02:04:05 PM »

walaikum salaam
6;145
Say: “I do not find in what is inspired to me to be unlawful for
any eater to eat except . . . .

My confusion is that in 6:145 , it is so clearly said that i have not found anything  forbidden in the revelation except . . . .
But it does not mention about some additional things forbidden in 5:3 like one fallen from height , diving by arrows , strangeled , etc. Which is written in bold letters by me in this post. Why is it so ?