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General Discussions / Re: Don't hear any sinful speech in heaven
« on: February 20, 2017, 01:36:36 AM »
"Indeed, the righteous will be in gardens and bliss / pleasure (na'im)"

*na'im - joyful, pleasure, a blissful state, delight

In a state of pleasure you wont hear sinful speach and because the wine in heaven are not alcoholic so you stay delight .

General Discussions / Re: Bush or Tree?
« on: February 20, 2017, 01:22:57 AM »
Sorry Hamzeh its my mistake the Translation of 23:20 is from yusuf ali but the brackets and the questionmark is from me.As i belive that the bush sanctus rubus is the plant through which god has spoken .

So you think that tour is a valley how do get to this ?

one think is telling us the quran about tour ,it is on the other side located where the Prophet muhammed lived and he never been there.

General Discussions / Re: Bush or Tree?
« on: February 19, 2017, 04:44:34 AM »
Well nar means the flaming or blazing and if you saw light throught a raindrop it is twinkling like a star

General Discussions / Re: Bush or Tree?
« on: February 19, 2017, 02:44:40 AM »
And as the fruits are hanging it is possible after a rainshower that raindrops can reflect sunrays if the angle is right.

Thats my Suggestion how Moses thought that it is fire in distance.Instead it was the sun reflecting in the hanging raindrops on the fruit

General Discussions / Re: Bush or Tree?
« on: February 18, 2017, 11:32:50 PM »
okay according to the Translation it is a tree but the only plant which fits the description is a bush .

وشجرة تخرج من طور سيناء تنبت بالدهن وصبغ للءاكلين
Also a (tree?) springing out of Mount Sinai, which produces oil, and relish for those who use it for food.

Could it be that Rubus sanctus is the tree mentioned in the quran ,you get Food and seedoil from it like it is mentioned in the ayat above . sanctus

General Discussions / Re: monthiest or polytheism christions
« on: February 15, 2017, 10:02:07 PM »
وينذر الذين قالوا اتخذ الله ولدا
Furthermore, [this divine writ is meant] to warn all those who assert, "God has taken unto Himself a son."
ما لهم به من علم ولا لءابائهم كبرت كلمة تخرج من أفوههم إن يقولون إلا كذبا
No knowledge whatever have they of Him, and neither had their forefathers: dreadful -is this saying that comes out of their mouths, [and] nothing but falsehood do they utter!

i think in these ayats the judeo-christians with the son-god belife are mentioned it is not titled to be shirk whereas it is called "dreadful" or "falsehood".

But further in this sura someone is mentioned with a monotheistic belife but his Actions and sayings are titled shirk.

ودخل جنته وهو ظالم لنفسه قال ما أظن أن تبيد هذه أبدا
And having [thus] sinned against himself, he entered his garden, saying, "I do not think that this will ever perish!
وما أظن الساعة قائمة ولئن رددت إلى ربى لأجدن خيرا منها منقلبا
And neither do I think that the Last Hour will ever come. But even if [it should come, and] I am brought before my Sustainer, I will surely find something even better than this as [my last] resort!"
قال له صاحبه وهو يحاوره أكفرت بالذى خلقك من تراب ثم من نطفة ثم سوىك رجلا
And his friend answered him in the course of their argument: "Wilt thou blaspheme against Him who has created thee out of dust, and then out of a drop of sperm, and in the end has fashioned thee into a [complete] man?
لكنا هو الله ربى ولا أشرك بربى أحدا
But as for myself, [I. know that] He is God, my Sustainer; and I cannot attribute divine powers to any but my Sustainer."
In last vers the word shirk is used .

The Story of Gardenowner goes on in sura 68:17-68:33 and is showing which deeds are shirk .


General Discussions / Re: monthiest or polytheism christions
« on: February 15, 2017, 03:54:54 AM »
i think in depence on to whom you pray to one god or to another allmighty Entity but beliving of the form of god is something different as long as it goes back to one god .

General Discussions / Re: monthiest or polytheism christions
« on: February 15, 2017, 01:31:37 AM »
olah y paz Sharon ,

Maybe this post is helping


General Discussions / Bush or Tree?
« on: February 14, 2017, 05:41:37 PM »
Salam All ,

As you all know the Story of Moses from jewish/Christian Tradition his first contact with god was through a burning Bush on the holy Mountain which he climbed after he saw a fire from a distance .

Now the Story in the Quran is a bit different and i come to this ayat
فلما أتىها نودى من شطئ الواد الأيمن فى البقعة المبركة من الشجرة أن يموسى إنى أنا الله رب العلمين

to make it short this ayat is not talking about a burning bush the word asch-schajarat is mostly translated as Tree .
Whats your opinion on that as there are hardly trees on desert mountains i believe .


Salam Joseph ,

With sincere respect jaba can also mean to bring .i've looked it up in Francis Steingass dictionary and i found  on page 45 the word Bring is translated with jaba/yujibu

here is an online Version of the Book

and because it is used with the Präposition bi i think the proper Translation of jabu al-sahra bi-l wad is they brought blocks(?)of Stones in the valley .If they cut out the rocks in the valley ,i would use the Präposition Fi.
jabu al-sahra fi-l-wad .

wa salam

There are several ayats showing god is loving Animals for example ,the Dog which is sleeping and securing the dwellers of the cave in Sura 18 or the "she-Camel"(?) in the Story of Salih and Thamud which is proclaimed to be from god .But my favorite Action of love towards animals is the antstory in the Ant Sura,where god is giving Solomon the ability to understand animals. Sura 27,It says:
. . . when they came upon the Valley of the Ants, an ant said, ‘Ants! Enter your dwellings, or Solomon and his forces will crush you without realizing (it). (27:18)

. . . But he [King Solomon] smiled, laughing at her words. . . (27:19a) Solomon’s army marches through the “Ant Valley.”One of the ants sees the onrushing hoards of soldiers.She commands her community flee to their homes to avoid being crushed. Solomon
understands the languages of animals, hears the ant’s desperate warning. First, he smiles. Then he breaks into laughter. He finds what the ant said funny.

General Discussions / Re: Addresses
« on: February 12, 2017, 04:50:30 AM »
Salam Amira ,

Thats because the ayats were not delivered as a packet ,some ayats where send down at a different time .Even the whole sura can consist of meccan part at the beginnig and a medinah part at the ending of it .

hope it helps

My understanding of vers 89;9 is that they transported blocks of Stone into the valley and build something with it .I came to this understanding beacause in 7:71 (0r so) it is written that they build house and Palaces in al-Jabal which means mountain .

salam ,

When Petra is originally build by the thamuds they must have been in contact or lived in a highsociety .They must have been get this skills to build the structures out of the rocks from the North or from the West (egypt) and i hardly believe that People from inner arabia had that Knowledge .

Salam Sharon,

To your question 3

Actually Petra is the greek Name for Rock and as a i linked before Petra is maybe the biblical town Selah and is the hebrew(?) word for Rock also ,so the al-hijr in 89:9 it can be Petra.

And your observing of the buliding to be younger of age ,i have a Suggestion.In the desert thinks dont get attcked by the Elements as in other plaaces where it is raining .But you are right in the comparison with the pyramids they look like new but you have forgotten that Petra is hidden in a Canyon ,where it is save from wind ,rain and that i suppose to be the reason why it Looks new .

i tend to the Edomites who have build Petra because in ancient egyptians source they where called Adamus ,and it sounds a bit like Thamud

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