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General Discussions / Re: Handshake or not ?

« on: January 15, 2017, 12:14:13 AM »

Salam Sardar Miyan ,

Yes ,kissing on checks is also a customary in some mediterranian countrys between males and females also ,there are some People in Canada i think and they do greet each other with rubbing their nose eachother .

As a Muslim if i am not mistaken i had to follow the custom of the greeting form ,as vers 4:86 is stating to greet the same or in better way .
This is happenig if i do not follow the custom of the Region i am living in http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/263012/switzerland-whats-handshake-hugh-fitzgerald

salam

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General Discussions / Re: Handshake or not ?

« on: January 13, 2017, 04:24:45 AM »

Salam Hamzeh,
I do agree with you Hamzeh think it makes a no sense if the the context is about Ablution.It is a difficult way of life always to renew your wudhu if you have touched a woman by shaking Hands or giving Money in Supermarket,backery ...etc.it doesnt make it easier with tayamum either to renew your state of purity.

But there are other Ayats where the context is not about Ablution.
Ibn Kathir, in his Tafsir for instance in another ayah, Allah says, "if you divorce them befor you have touched them, and have appointed to them a dowry, then pay half of that." [2:237]
and
"When you marry a believing woman and then divorce them before you have touched them, then there is no need to count the waiting period for them." [33:49]

{before you have touched them is قبل أن تمسّوهنّ (qabli an tamassuhunna). massa is a synonym of lamasa.}

so again the use of lamasa or in this case massa and it is obviously meant sexually

peace

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General Discussions / Re: Handshake or not ?

« on: January 12, 2017, 03:10:09 AM »

Peace Duster ,

Thank you for hinting to this ,so the Keyword which is making so much confusion is lamas i have read that it depends on which sort of Quran you are reading.Check this out.

أَوْ لاَمَسْتُمُ النِّسَاء
“…or ye have been in contact with women…”
The Shafi’is maintain that the word “lamastum”, translated here as ‘contact’ is touching by the hand. Imām Ash-Shāfi’ī stated in Al-Umm, “Lams (touching/contact) is done by the hand.” Their opponents disagree and argue that it is reference to coitus.  What is their proof that “lamastum – contact” means with the hand? Firstly, the Shafi’is recite this without the elongation of the Alif after the lam. So it is recited as: لمستم (lamastum). The literal meaning alludes to the touch that is less than coitus. Both recitations are reported authentically. This is the method of recitation transmitted from the Prophet Muhammad through  Hamzah and Al-Kisa’i.
Imam Al-Mawardi states in his Nukt Wal-’Uyun in commenting upon (4:43):
أَوْ لاَمَسْتُمُ النِّسَآءَ
Or the “Laamastum An-Nisa’ (contact/touching of women)”
فيه قراءتان:
إحداهما: { لَمَسْتُمُ } بغير ألف، قرأ بها حمزة والكسائي.
والأخرى: { لاَمَسْتُمُ } ، وهي قراءة الباقين.
Regarding the recitation of this verse there are two modes:
1) Lamastum (without the elongation of the alif أ) this was the recitation of Hamzah and Al-Kasa’i.
2) Laamastum, with the elongation of the alif, and this is the recitation of the rest.

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General Discussions / Re: Handshake or not ?

« on: January 07, 2017, 04:09:19 AM »

Salam Anjum ,

Just wanted to know where this handshakephobia is coming from ,so i posted them.But i found something to ponder on it in sura 4:86"When ye are greeted with a greeting, greet ye with a better than it or return it. Lo! Allah taketh count of all things."
Does this include handshaking ?Does God only want the People to greet oraly or does he except all greetingforms in the world and do we then have to follow the local custom equally or according to the vers above in a better way .

peace

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General Discussions / Re: Handshake or not ?

« on: January 02, 2017, 12:42:04 AM »

Dear Anjum ,

Please let us go back to the Topic Handshaking.There is a hadith linked with a vers of the quran which indicates that the Prophet did not shake Hands with woman according to some ulama.
Aischa, the wife of the Prophet  said: 'When the believing women migrated (to Medina) and came to the Prophet they would be examined in accordance with the words in the Quran:

"O Prophet! When believing women come to you to give you the Bay’ah (pledge of allegiance), that they will not associate anything in worship with Allah, that they will not steal, that they will not commit illegal sexual intercourse, that they will not kill their children, that they will not utter slander, intentionally forging falsehood , and that they will not disobey you in any Ma'ruf then accept their Bay’ah (pledge of allegiance), and ask Allah to forgive them, Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful". [Noble Quran 60:12]

Any of the believing women who accepted the conditions of the verse and agreed to live by them were considered to have offered themselves for giving their oaths of allegiance. When they declared their commitment to do so, the Prophet would say to them, "You may go. I have confirmed your allegiance."
I swear by Allah, the Prophet's hand never touched the hand of a woman. He would receive their oath of allegiance by spoken declaration. I swear by Allah, the Prophet never took any vow from women except what Allah had ordered him to take and his palm never touched the palm of a woman. When he had taken their pledge, he would tell them he had taken their oath from them orally. ' [Sahih Muslim]

peace

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General Discussions / Re: Handshake or not ?

« on: January 01, 2017, 09:15:08 PM »

Salam Anjum,

I know about the problematically hadith but they existed side by side with quran and to prevent misunderstanding the Prophet didnt allow to write sayings from him .Later after they have written the book it happend that some People were telling Storys about the Prophet which are not true ,thats why they had to some criteria to fullfill like chain completment trustworthy writer etc.

The authentic hadith then had to be taken under hermeneutical reading and after this you can take rulings out of it after you had taken other steps.

For example the hadith "It is better for you to be stabbed in the head with an iron needle than to touch the hand of a woman who is not permissible to you." which some scholars are using for antihandshakes ,is questionable.The authenticity might by not given because of the chain.

peace

S

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General Discussions / Re: Handshake or not ?

« on: January 01, 2017, 06:43:24 PM »

salam Anjum ,
But the Sunna is part of taking rules out for norms so have to take them under consideration .

There are several ahadith about handshake situations of the Prophet and woman ,most of them are desrcibing it without a handshake and a few showing the Prophet handshaking or touching the Hand of a woman who is not mahram .

Thats why some scholars are totally aginst opposite sexhandshake and some have the tendicy to allow handshake with Non-mahram People under certain situations if there is no desire coming up,like in your case Anjum old friends dont avoke that Feelings i think.

peace

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General Discussions / Re: Handshake or not ?

« on: December 31, 2016, 01:27:48 AM »

Salam Anjum ,

There is nothing wrong in shaking Hands with your friends by now .As far as i know there is no vers in the book that forbids handshake with the opposite gender .

But there are secondary sources which pointing to that issue like It is not allowed for a believing man to put his hand in the hand of a woman who is not allowed for him which is called mahram.

There is a Hadith from Ma'qil ibn Yasar, saying; The Prophet (Peace and blessings be upon him) said, "It is better for you to be stabbed in the head with an iron needle than to touch the hand of a woman who is not permissible to you."

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General Discussions / Re: Handshake or not ?

« on: December 28, 2016, 04:52:01 PM »

It may be age old practice but the Muslims also practice as greeting mode of shake hand. But is not applicable in case of Muslim women. Even this practice among Muslims is optional. What Muslims have to do is call Assalam Alaikum.

Can you give me the reason why it is not allowed for opposite sex to shake Hands .


Dear Hamzeh ,

I do agree that it depends on the Environment how to greet .It differs from region to Region and within a Region also like you said Family members greeting is different .

But if If peoples customs is to shake hands with the opposite sex then i have respected it .

If i dont shake Hands with my Boss who is a woman then it is against Islam,where it is withinIslam to prent evil from humans .And if i loose my Job than i harm my self after i harmed my Boss by acting against the custom where woman and man are to be greeted equally .

 

A normal handshake one Palm to another without any adding gesture like putting arm on shoulder, huggging or kissing stays within the Quranic values and decency ,i belive .

peace

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General Discussions / Re: Handshake or not ?

« on: December 27, 2016, 09:15:24 PM »

Some historical Background of handshaking
http://www.history.com/news/ask-history/what-is-the-origin-of-the-handshake

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General Discussions / Re: Handshake or not ?

« on: December 27, 2016, 05:20:39 PM »

Salam Sadar ,

You wrote handshake is optional but with Females is not to do that .Why?

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General Discussions / Handshake or not ?

« on: December 26, 2016, 11:02:06 PM »

Peace to all ,

Can someone give Information about how to greet People ?

A:Handshake or not?
B:Greeting with words only?

If we read the quran we dont get explicit Information about how to do it for example Sure 24 ayat 27 it says that you had to greet the habitants of the house before entering the house .

The question is does the form of greeting differs by opposite gender like some ahadith is telling ?

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General Discussions / Sura 96 first Revelation?

« on: February 18, 2015, 10:16:42 PM »

As-salamoualeikum,

From islamic sources weget toknow that the first Revelation by the Prophet is Sura 96.The writings of this Happening are saying,that this is happend in the 27.ramadan,where upon the angel Gabriel forced the Prophet to read.
Some say that another sura was the first one but they agree that Sura96 is the first one.

What bothers me about the Story is the begining,he was forced to read and he stroke him three time and then after the torture when he was running away,he was introduced by this angel and the he is the Prophet.

If we look on other contacts with god theres is always a slight on going,with an introduction and the message and no freaking appearance like some ahadith are saying and thus the Prophet want to jump from a mountain.
For example Moses contact:

"10) But when he came to the fire, a voice was heard: "O Moses! (11) "Verily I am thy Lord! Therefore (in My presence) put off thy shoes: thou art in the sacred valley Tuwa. (12) "I have chosen thee: listen then, to the inspiration (sent to thee). (13) "Verily I am Allah: there is no god but I: so serve thou Me, (only) and ...."

Or god talk with Jesus:
"109) Then will Allah say: "O Jesus, the son of Mary! recount my favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom..."

This is my humble opinion.

regards

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Discussions / Re: Is driving a car allowed?

« on: February 15, 2015, 02:42:02 AM »

It is statistical fact that driving car is the most dangerous tool of Transportation.

http://donsnotes.com/travel/train-plane-car.html

So if you can choose between Train or plane isn't islamic to choose the car?

If you live on the land without an structure of Transportation thats a different Thing,i am talking about People who can choose between other safier transportations.

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Discussions / Is driving a car allowed?

« on: February 14, 2015, 01:57:49 AM »

Salam aleikum,

As i didn't find anything on this Forum about i start this thread.

Is driving a car allowed according to Islam or not cause Car Crashes are a World Wide Problem. According to the World Health Organization there are about 1.2 million People killed in traffic accidents every year, 10 Million are People Injured, costing an estimated $520 Billion.

What is your opinion  Joseph about it should we leave the car as long as there no solution for a saver traffic and use instead other ways of Transportation?Isin't it allowed to hurt others according to Islam?



All the best