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Peace Nura.
If you want to discuss other topics ,open a different thread. Your question is off-topic.

Here, we are still discussing"What GOD has revealed" or all the bible.

GOD bless you.
Peace.

Peace Duster.

Stay on the subject of "What GOD has revealed only" .Read the posts again.
It is you who is changing the subject.

If you cannot bring me a verse/s from Qoran that confirm GOD is asking to follow/judge by the bible, then we can proceed.

Thank you brother.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Peace Nura.

I am saying the bible contains both GOD s words and men s words. Qoran is the criterion.

I am also saying, GOD is consistent and is  asking everyone ,all people of the book- Jews, Christians,Muslims..." to follow judge by what GOD has sent down". Only His words.

Hope that is clear.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Peace Duster.

Since you know ,why don t you tell me ?

Qoran already tells both of us that the books were the ones revealed by GOD through the prophets.

I take it you are not going to bring me any verse/s from Qoran that confirms GOD was asking to follow /judge by the bible?

Thank you anyway brother.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[Are you aware that the Quran sanctions what was 'between the hands of the Children of Israel ' of Moses' books during the prophet Muhammad's ministry?]

Peace Nura.
1-Quote:
Are you aware that the Quran sanctions what was 'between the hands of the Children of Israel ' of Moses' books during the prophet Muhammad's ministry?

I am aware that Qoran sactions "What GOD has sent down"--GOD s words only!!! It does not sanction the falsehood part.

2-Quote:
The current Bible is older than the Quran. The Council of Nicea and Bible was compiled in AD 325 that is even before Muhammad was born
That is why it must be filtered-Truth from falsehood- Or the Counsil of Nicea was GOD inspired?

3- Quote:
I do not know Why you keep on arguing when clear verses are there that says otherwise to what you claim to be true.

All the clear verses say "What was revealed by GOD" only. GOD s words only. Have a good look/ponder on the verses again and see for yourself.
Thank you sister.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[13:17He sends down water from the sky, causing the valleys to overflow, then the rapids produce abundant foam. Similarly, when they use fire to refine metals for their jewelry or equipment, foam is produced. God thus cites analogies for the truth and falsehood. As for the foam, it goes to waste, while that which benefits the people stays close to the ground. God thus cites the analogies.أَنزَلَ مِنَ السَّماءِ ماءً فَسالَت أَودِيَةٌ بِقَدَرِها فَاحتَمَلَ السَّيلُ زَبَدًا رابِيًا وَمِمّا يوقِدونَ عَلَيهِ فِى النّارِ ابتِغاءَ حِليَةٍ أَو مَتٰعٍ زَبَدٌ مِثلُهُ كَذٰلِكَ يَضرِبُ اللَّهُ الحَقَّ وَالبٰطِلَ فَأَمَّا الزَّبَدُ فَيَذهَبُ جُفاءً وَأَمّا ما يَنفَعُ النّاسَ فَيَمكُثُ فِى الأَرضِ كَذٰلِكَ يَضرِبُ اللَّهُ الأَمثٰلَ]

Peace Duster.

Are you saying to me GOD revealed all the bible?

Let be clear here:

GOD is consistent with "Follow/judge "by what is revealed from HIm only. NO words of men to be followed.

Are you then insisting that the bible contains the books of GOD only?
Let us have your evidence then?

Yes, GOD has revealed Torah, Injeel, Zaboor...etc. and is clearly saying to all of us to follow/judge by what GOD has sent down only.
Brother, we have to distinguish between "What GOD has revealed" and men s words:
http://www.total-loyalty-to-god-alone.co.uk/website-pages/word-of-people-v-word-of-god/

GOD has left us this example:
13:17
He sends down water from the sky, causing the valleys to overflow, then the rapids produce abundant foam. Similarly, when they use fire to refine metals for their jewelry or equipment, foam is produced. God thus cites analogies for the truth and falsehood. As for the foam, it goes to waste, while that which benefits the people stays close to the ground. God thus cites the analogies.

أَنزَلَ مِنَ السَّماءِ ماءً فَسالَت أَودِيَةٌ بِقَدَرِها فَاحتَمَلَ السَّيلُ زَبَدًا رابِيًا وَمِمّا يوقِدونَ عَلَيهِ فِى النّارِ ابتِغاءَ حِليَةٍ أَو مَتٰعٍ زَبَدٌ مِثلُهُ كَذٰلِكَ يَضرِبُ اللَّهُ الحَقَّ وَالبٰطِلَ فَأَمَّا الزَّبَدُ فَيَذهَبُ جُفاءً وَأَمّا ما يَنفَعُ النّاسَ فَيَمكُثُ فِى الأَرضِ كَذٰلِكَ يَضرِبُ اللَّهُ الأَمثٰلَ

I am also amazed at your logic brother, you reject all hadith when it come to the deen, yet you say GOD is asking to follow/judge by all the "bible" even the parts that contradict GOD s system? Or have you not studied the bible?

GOD bless you.
Peace

[Goodlogic - I have to say this but nothing frustrates me more on this forum than your posts at times. ...clear verses and you just seem to ignore them. over and over ....Frustrating ......really really frustrating. You actually make me angry sometimes ... Verses are put in front of you and you just deny them. .....]

Peace Duster.

If I remember correctly ,we have already discussed this subject, yet you say,quote

Goodlogic - I have to say this but nothing frustrates me more on this forum than your posts at times. ...clear verses and you just seem to ignore them. over and over   ....Frustrating ......really really frustrating. You actually make me angry sometimes ... Verses are put in front of you and you just deny them. .....


We discussed it here,for example:
Peace Duster.

The two books are :

1- What was sent to Moses from GOD.

2- What was sent to Mohammed from GOD.

GOD is talking about "His words" ,what He sent down.

Look at the confirmation from the previous verse:
28:48
فَلَمّا جاءَهُمُ الحَقُّ مِن عِندِنا قالوا لَولا أوتِىَ مِثلَ ما أوتِىَ موسىٰ أَوَلَم يَكفُروا بِما أوتِىَ موسىٰ مِن قَبلُ قالوا سِحرانِ تَظٰهَرا وَقالوا إِنّا بِكُلٍّ كٰفِرونَ

The key words are "Min indina" Qoran from GOD and "Outia moussa!What Moses was given from GOD

The bible is not mentioned there!!! It contains both GOD s words and men s words!!! GOD is certainly not talking about the "bible".

I have not seen any verse/s from Qoran where GOD said follow/judge by the "bible".
GOD bless you .
Peace.

Peace Duster.

Where is the bible mentioned in the verses you quoted here?:

5:47
And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed – then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.

You going to deny this. .?
There is no bible in this verse brother, look it says "What Allah has revealed" not the bible!!!
5:43
But how is it that they come to you for judgement while they have the Torah, in which is the judgement of Allah? Then they turn away, [even] after that; but those are not [in fact] believers.

You going to deny this? .

Again brother , Torah is not the  bible.
I cannot find anywhere in Qoran where GOD is asking  to follow or  judge by the "bible"
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Peace Nura.
Thank you for your post.
GOD is consistent . GOD has not asked us or anyone else to follow "Men s words".
GOD has asked  ( All the three religions)  to follow "What He revealed only".
I do not see anywhere in Qoran where GOD is asking anyone to follow/judge by"  the bible" .
Of course if one claims every word in the bible is "What GOD has revealed",then let us have the evidence.
GOD bless you.
Peace. 

Peace Student.
Daniel was  before Jesus. How can it be part of NT?

GOD bless you.
Peace.

Peace Nura.

I am not sure about what you are saying here,quote:

" We are also asked to believe in the Bible"

Please give the Qoran verse/s for this.

Thank you.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

Peace Student.
Like you said, the best answer would be for you to read/study the old testament and find out.

For one view check this:
http://helpmewithbiblestudy.org/7Humans/DeathWhatDidOTBelieversThink.aspx

Or this view:
https://theophiletos.wordpress.com/2015/01/11/afterlife-in-the-old-testament/
And this one:
http://people.bethel.edu/~dhoward/classes/OT232/OTafterlife.pdf

There are lots of views around, but the best one for you will be your own after you study the old testament.
GOD bless you.
Peace

[13:17He sends down water from the sky, causing the valleys to overflow, then the rapids produce abundant foam. Similarly, when they use fire to refine metals for their jewelry or equipment, foam is produced. God thus cites analogies for the truth and falsehood. As for the foam, it goes to waste, while that which benefits the people stays close to the ground. God thus cites the analogies.أَنزَلَ مِنَ السَّماءِ ماءً فَسالَت أَودِيَةٌ بِقَدَرِها فَاحتَمَلَ السَّيلُ زَبَدًا رابِيًا وَمِمّا يوقِدونَ عَلَيهِ فِى النّارِ ابتِغاءَ حِليَةٍ أَو مَتٰعٍ زَبَدٌ مِثلُهُ كَذٰلِكَ يَضرِبُ اللَّهُ الحَقَّ وَالبٰطِلَ فَأَمَّا الزَّبَدُ فَيَذهَبُ جُفاءً وَأَمّا ما يَنفَعُ النّاسَ فَيَمكُثُ فِى الأَرضِ كَذٰلِكَ يَضرِبُ اللَّهُ الأَمثٰلَ]

Peace Raffiq.
Yes, I agree with Zack. Good discussions between people of different faith/religion...are rare.

There is a big difference between "GOD s revelations" and interpretation /translation of these revelations by humans.

GOD has been consistent throughout the ages about "His only religion". The message is the same throughout, one universal message for all the generations of all the humans:

http://www.total-loyalty-to-god-alone.co.uk/simple-and-universal-message/

What various generations have done is "write/fabricate/wrongly deduce...Divide themselves into sects of different religions.
GOD s words and men s words are two different things. We can discuss back and forth who is right and what are the meanings...But if we do not distinguish between the two, it will  all be pointless and a waste of time.

http://www.total-loyalty-to-god-alone.co.uk/website-pages/word-of-people-v-word-of-god/

We have a big chance ,our generation and the coming generations, to start researching/studying /refining what has been going on in history with various groups that came up with multitudes of religions!!!!!

GOD does not err or forget. He has been guiding the few believers throughout man s history. We must regain that "Trust in GOD Alone" to leads us towards that original "true surrender" to His one and only system.
The bible and Qoran must be studied together to "reffine" God s words and follow His consistent universal message that exist in all His scriptures.
We have the means, more than any generation before us, to check truth against falsehood as directed here:
13:17
He sends down water from the sky, causing the valleys to overflow, then the rapids produce abundant foam. Similarly, when they use fire to refine metals for their jewelry or equipment, foam is produced. God thus cites analogies for the truth and falsehood. As for the foam, it goes to waste, while that which benefits the people stays close to the ground. God thus cites the analogies.
أَنزَلَ مِنَ السَّماءِ ماءً فَسالَت أَودِيَةٌ بِقَدَرِها فَاحتَمَلَ السَّيلُ زَبَدًا رابِيًا وَمِمّا يوقِدونَ عَلَيهِ فِى النّارِ ابتِغاءَ حِليَةٍ أَو مَتٰعٍ زَبَدٌ مِثلُهُ كَذٰلِكَ يَضرِبُ اللَّهُ الحَقَّ وَالبٰطِلَ فَأَمَّا الزَّبَدُ فَيَذهَبُ جُفاءً وَأَمّا ما يَنفَعُ النّاسَ فَيَمكُثُ فِى الأَرضِ كَذٰلِكَ يَضرِبُ اللَّهُ الأَمثٰلَ

Yes brother, we must reffine all words to distinguish between GOD s words and men s words, the truth is GOD s words.
GOD bless you.
Peace.

[The Sabians are also mentioned in the literature of the Bahá'í Faith. These references are generally brief, describing two groups of Sabians: those "who worship idols in the name of the stars, who believed their religion derived from Seth and Idris", and others "who believed in the son of Zechariah (John the Baptist) and didn't accept the advent of the son of Mary (Jesus Christ)".[note 1] 'Abdu'l-Bahá briefly describes Seth as one of the "sons of Adam".[17] Bahá'u'lláh in a Tablet identifies Idris with Hermes.[18] He does not, however, specifically name Idris as the prophet of the Sabians.]

Peace Nura.

You probably had a look here already?:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabians

For me  identification of "Sabians" is nearer to this group:

The Sabians are also mentioned in the literature of the Bahá'í Faith. These references are generally brief, describing two groups of Sabians: those "who worship idols in the name of the stars, who believed their religion derived from Seth and Idris", and others "who believed in the son of Zechariah (John the Baptist) and didn't accept the advent of the son of Mary (Jesus Christ)".[note 1] 'Abdu'l-Bahá briefly describes Seth as one of the "sons of Adam".[17] Bahá'u'lláh in a Tablet identifies Idris with Hermes.[18] He does not, however, specifically name Idris as the prophet of the Sabians.

That is my opinion, as Sabeen is mentioned before Nasara and after Yahud in the verses.
GOD bless you.
Peace

Peace F.
Thank you for your reply.

Even though GOD tests all believers, do you really think that GOD would order anyone to break His commands?

You say you are interested in Qoran, I hope brother,  you check everything by studying GOD s words and reflecting on what they say!

Can we really ignore the majority of the clear verses that tell us who GOD is and what He instructs/commands and expects from the believers?

I do not really know what to say to you? 
Personally,I find Qoran clear and straightforward when describing who GOD is and what he does /instructs/commands etc...

I do not find anywhere in Qoran ,even the hint of GOD testing Abraham by ordering him to sacrifice his son?
If you do please post the verse/s .
To me this will contradict a lot of the message of Qoran.
GOD bless you.
Peace.