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it would be easy if god sent holy books in all languages with his chosen servants. why make things complicated for his servants? and also it would be great to update them each one hundred year because by time  language also changes.

Women / Re: Husband can beat ( not severe ) his wife
« on: November 07, 2018, 08:13:25 PM »
why dont we accept quran has a historical and cultural frame? its addressee is a desert village residents whom has very low idea of women. why are you putting yourself into trouble by forcing every ayat as universal? Hence putting yourself into trouble of going great lenghts to hack the meaning of words?

it is good to hear. i hope all your problems are solved by its entirety and inclusiveness. if all people were like you there wouldnt be any creeds which a source of pain nowadays as it has been so throughout the history.

Discussions / Re: Killing pests/insects
« on: September 12, 2017, 03:05:31 PM »
you got a disease or one of your loved ones so according to your interpreation " So any harm that happen with us is only because of our sins, hence in my humble opinion the only solution to avoid such dangerous situations is seeking forgiveness from God" the only way to recover from this illness ,hovewer harming or dangerous it is, is to seek forgiveness from god.By the way i consider your interpretation veri naive romantic and idealistic.

Discussions / Re: Movies and Drama
« on: September 12, 2017, 02:57:07 PM »
it is called art man and i havent heard any animal has such a cultural value apart from men!

Discussions / Re: Movies and Drama
« on: July 12, 2017, 08:18:10 PM »
I think it is right to take role in or to watch such art productions. It helps to convey great messages to everyone interested.

General Discussions / Re: Understanding what is doubts in the quran
« on: April 21, 2017, 12:28:35 AM »
Yes my sincere thinking is that quran is not a dogma and must not be. So we must evaluate its way of bringing solutions to arabic society in terms of their culture time and place in history. Otherwise we will stick to arabic customs. I believe heartily if we  dont just take the generic patterns from quran but stick to it word by word we will fail as a whole islamic society in history. It is like not using our mind but instead just freezing everything in the time between 622-632. I gave example of usury or interest or riba. But we dont even have a clear cut definition of what riba or usury or interest is in quran in quran i repeat. Or how much rate of it is called is not defined. If usury is an increase in something you lend to someone when they bring it back. Without this how will you maintain a free market mostly entrepreneurship. If you give money or good to someone without gaining anything in return why you would do it? Yes ofcourse you would to it for goodness sake but people on earth are not angels they wont go ahead giving lending just for free. And now money even is a very complex matter. What i say again with the terms of a simple economic structure of a village we cannot solve modern world's economic problems. ofcourse you can go ahead and say just believe just believe and do it and everything will be fixed. then current situation of islamic world shows how we managed it so far which shows our failure both from individual and social perspectives. I kindly would like to share you a book if you dont mind me i dont want to sound like superiour but do please read the book "islam tarihi filipeli ahmet hilmi" link is:

Quran doesnt give every detail about everything. It is not possible even. The root of this question also lies in the understanding that quran tells everything about everything which is a misconception i think.

General Discussions / Re: Understanding what is doubts in the quran
« on: April 19, 2017, 08:08:26 PM »
yes  you are correct it also uses plural for males. But overall picture of quran ayats show clearly quran addresses a society in which polygamy is the most type of marriage.

General Discussions / Re: Understanding what is doubts in the quran
« on: April 18, 2017, 07:56:36 PM »
and one last example to support that quran must be evaluated within the surroundings it was sent i.e cultural social local historical frame of the society it was sent to and that it is not in totally in compliant with every ages' understading and terms. It has universal directives but besides that it has lots of parts which must be evaluated according to the historical, cultural social and time frame it is surrounded by:

Your women are a tillage for you, so come to your tillage as you will, and send ahead for your souls, and be Godwary, and know that you will encounter Him; and give good news to the faithful.

here it says your women implying polygamy of of arabic culture. Also it is using again manly view of the women. Men were always dominant in arabic society at that time (still now i guess). From todays' point of view many might claim it is objectifying women or putting them in a second level after the men in the society.

I do believe that quran has universal values but besides that it has many parts that must be evaluated according to our unique situations in time and history and space. Without using our minds to derive from quran and to bring new modern outcomes to answer today's needs our society will be threatened by sects like isis or similar ones. We must withdraw from the statemens such as quran's ayats are utmost decisons and end of history that everything is stated all we must to is to adhere its solutions. Instead we must understand that there are basic seeds of solutions in quran which aimed to solve firstly in the area it was sent according to their customs. We must see the patterns and update these seeds to become a solution tree according to the needs of different cultures and times needs. So my view of quran just has not final say on human history but it gives some light, som clues for people who want to use their mind. Otherwise it becomes a source of dogma like the present situation of islamic societies.

General Discussions / Re: Public vs. Private Sin in an Islamic State
« on: April 14, 2017, 08:45:37 PM »
9:28 O you who have believed, indeed the polytheists are unclean, so let them not approach al-Masjid al-Haram after this, their [final] year. And if you fear privation, Allah will enrich you from His bounty if He wills. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Wise.

9:29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

General Discussions / Re: Public vs. Private Sin in an Islamic State
« on: April 14, 2017, 08:03:21 PM »
" If truth stands clear from error then there's no need for the state to prevent ideological expression." i have an objection to this. For example in internet can a state allow some news group to spread fake and false news although it is true that truth stands clear from error these kind of spreading erroneous news or information would not be tolerated even within secular states. so if one god is truth and paganism is error and deserves punishment then i dont believe (personally may support) an islamic country would allow this based on quran teachings which is threatining idolatry.

General Discussions / Re: Understanding what is doubts in the quran
« on: April 14, 2017, 07:55:41 PM »
to continue support my view i would like to give another example as well.  suratul masad number: 111.

111:1 May the hands of Abu Lahab be ruined, and ruined is he.
111:2 His wealth will not avail him or that which he gained.
111:3 He will [enter to] burn in a Fire of [blazing] flame
111:4 And his wife [as well] - the carrier of firewood.
111:5 Around her neck is a rope of [twisted] fiber.

so as we do believe quran is fully detailed and succinct and mostly here we dont tolerate second resources (islamic history and hadeeths) as creditable. Here are some questions:

Who is abu lahab and his wife?
Why they were threaten such terrifying way? What did they do? Even satan, devil is not threatened that way anywhere in quran.
What did they to deserve such blazing fires so what we should to avoid such horrifying end?
What is the crime of the wife apart from being the wife of abu lahab?

we have no information nothing. If quran was timeless and spaceless these issues wouldnot come into mind ever. These two figures only known to the local arabs of living in the era of prophet.

General Discussions / Re: Public vs. Private Sin in an Islamic State
« on: April 14, 2017, 07:05:39 PM »
amira i personally may support your view but could you bring some ayats to support that both muslims and pagan can live peacefully both spreading their religion from quran.

General Discussions / Re: Understanding what is doubts in the quran
« on: April 14, 2017, 07:02:52 PM »
dear ilker i am from turkey as well in istanbul. here is another one i share with you to support my time and history frame:

58:3 (mücadele suresi)
And those who pronounce thihar from their wives and then [wish to] go back on what they said - then [there must be] the freeing of a slave before they touch one another. That is what you are admonished thereby; and Allah is Acquainted with what you do.

Here thihar is a custom of arab men did in the past by saying their wifes your back is like my mother's back and hence produce a divorce statement. but quran says if you do this free a slave. These both practises of thihar and freeing slave is an old world local custom.

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