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Islamic Duties / Re: Shortening prayer
« on: March 11, 2015, 05:19:35 PM »
The following paragraph from the link  []  which you gave in your answer includes all what i missed in my approach to shortening pray: "Nothing remains more striking than the desire of the human condition to elicit finer and finer details of a general religious commandment to the point that it becomes almost arduous for them to perform."

Islamic Duties / Re: Shortening prayer
« on: March 11, 2015, 04:53:38 PM »
Thank you brothers for your enlightening comments and views regarding my question. I am benefited from your ideas about the matter. Actually i came to understand that Quran doesnt provide one pill or one fixed rigid solution for all situation and for all person but it provides a flexible ground and it leaves a space for every believer to conduct their best reasoning, understanding and following the truth given the circumstances they are uniquely surrounded by. My problem was to look for a ready answer from Quran which wouldnot enjoin me to use my mind i was used to get ready pills or solutions and wanted one solution to suit everyone's needs but its not like that in real life as i see now. Quran provides versatile, multifaceted solutions, directives which can be adopted by every society and every individual on earth. Thanks again.

Islamic Duties / Re: Shortening prayer
« on: March 11, 2015, 12:55:50 AM »
Dear Joseph i agree with your view "So whereas you say "So in shortening salat one may omit the pillars of salat such as standing bowing prostrating", this is not entirely correct. If the situation is so grave that on assessment, this becomes necessary, then it can be argued as possible. Otherwise, one must not simply be tempted to abandon prostrations or bowing at whim. There may indeed be situations where some form of bowing or prostration may be perfectly possible, however shortened. " But as i am new to the quran's concepts over tradionalist information relied upon secondary sources i face some dilemmas or contradictions in my mind. Such as you say shortening rakats ("If one can pray with normal form, but with shortened rakats") but then i understand that no number of rakats are forced on a believer so one believer can even pray in one rakat including all necessary form which is stated in quran such as standing bowing prostrating and uttering prays conforming to specific timeline for establishing regular prayers. i feel i am missing something i am just trying to comprehend if one rakat can be enough to do our duty to God then on journeying if one can accomplish one rakat including standing bowing prostrating remembering uttering prayers to God then in that case there is no situation of shortening prayer. So shortening prayer may mean that one cannot even run the  task of one rakat with complete pillars of salat in a situation of fear or danger. I am sorry if misundertood or couldnt explain my point. Thanks for bearing up.

Islamic Duties / Re: Shortening prayer
« on: March 10, 2015, 11:27:18 PM »
Salam alaykum dear brother Joseph, from your article and your comment on this page i understand that from shortening prayer you understand that the form can be discarded but we must continue uttering prayers and remembering God on horse, on bus, on plane or even on foot etc. If only there is a danger or fear on a journey. So in shortening salat one may omit the pillars of salat such as standing bowing prostrating. Do i understand it right? Because then a question arises which is: As for tradionalists only claim and ask to drop 4 rakat prayers to 2. So from quranic view as rakats are not specified and not obligatory then aren't they still fully praying salat? As they still perfectly manifest what is demanded in salat.  And as this is my first post i would like to thank you for sharing your experience with Quran through this informative web site.

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