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Discussions / Re: "Ahadees e Qudsi" a Revelation or Secondary Source?
« on: November 17, 2011, 05:27:22 AM »
AHadiths are not divine source. The only Divine Word we have is Holy Qur'an. Hadith Qudsi may ssem beautiful, but I feel if they were Divine in origin, they would be in the Noble Qur'an. Hadith writers invented Hadith Qudsi to force the masses to not object to any of the hadiths!

Simple question we need to ask ourselves. What Book did Allah made sure that The Messenger left behind and to which an assurance of preservation given?

That is the Primary Source. Allah does not forget!! Rest are seconday sources.

General Discussions / Re: Jin
« on: November 16, 2011, 08:25:08 PM »
Here is another take on Jinns (Qur'an translation by Amatul Rehman Omar). Further food for thought??

72:1 Say, `It has been revealed to me that a party of the jinn (- the non-Arab Jews of Nasibin, called Jinn because of their being strong, sharp and effective in affairs) listened (to the Qur'an), so they said (to their people on their return), "Surely, we have heard a wonderful Qur'an,

72:2 "It guides towards righteousness, so we declare our faith in it. We shall no longer worship any god besides our Lord.

72:3 "And the truth is that the Majesty of our Lord is exalted. He has taken to Himself no consort nor (has He begotten) a son,

72:4 "And (we admit) that the foolish among us used to say many exaggerated and blasphemous things against Allah.

72:5 "And (we acknowledge) that (we believed in them because) we never thought that men and jinn could ever possibly utter a lie about Allah.

72:6 "The fact is that some humble and lowly men from among the common folk used to seek refuge with some (big and influential) men from among the jinns and (thus) they increased these (jinns) in arrogance (and conceit).

72:7 "These men (from the jinn) believed even as you believe that Allah would raise no one (as Messenger).

72:8 "And we (- the non-Arab Jews, the jinn who had listened to the Qur'an, as diviners and astrologers) had primarily sought to probe the secrets of space above but we found it teeming with strong guards and shooting stars (a phenomenon which generally occurs before the advent of a divine Reformer).

72:9 "And that we used to sit in some of the observatories to listen to something. But he that tries to listen (in order to forecast some event) now (with the advent of Islam) finds a shooting star in ambush for him.

72:10 "(We confess that) we do not know whether evil is (hereby) augured for those who are on the earth or whether their Lord (thereby) intends to bestow right guidance for them.

72:11 "And some of us are righteous and some of us are otherwise. We follow different ways.

72:12 "And we have come to know for certain that we can never frustrate the purpose of Allah in the earth, nor can we escape Him by flight (in any direction).

General Discussions / Re: Jin
« on: November 16, 2011, 08:13:25 PM »
If Jinns were literally made out of fire, and if they read the same Qur'an as us for guidance, then how are they to perform Wudu (Ablutions)? Do fiery creatures eat and fast? I think Parwez is on to something that needs further exploration.

General Discussions / Re: Jin
« on: November 15, 2011, 05:27:31 PM »
Dear All, just to share another point of view and add to the discussion,  according to Parwez, following is an explanation of Jinn:

Jinn – (Jeem-noon-noon).

Janna means hidden. According to Raghib, it means, not only hidden from the eyes but also from senses – In verse 6/77 the Qur’an says “When the night spread darkness over him, he saw a star. Jananun, means grave, as it hides the dead body. Iblees is also a Jinn as this force remains hidden from the eyes (18/30)

Janeen, is an infant in mother’s womb – Junnantun – is the shield or any weapon with which a person protects himself (58/16). – Jinnatun – means madness (23/25). The Arabs thought that majnoon was a person who was afflicted by a Jinn. According to Raghib ‘al-Jinno’ is being used in two ways. Firstly all the hidden forces (spiritual, positive) and in this context it also includes “angels”, and those hidden forces which are evil are called ‘Shiateen” (Taj, Raghib). The Qur’an also mentions about the Arabs doing worship of Jinn and there it means “angels” (37/158) (Taj, Raghib).

The earth was in the beginning, in the form of a molten fire and it took billions of years to cool down to a tolerable temperature when it was suitable for the habitation of mankind. Before this there existed some creation, of which man was the successor (Khalifa). That specie was created out of fire (15/27). That specie is extinct now – and is referred to as ‘al-jaann’.

The Qur’an has referred to and addresses ‘Jinn and Ins’ in many verses together. Ins, (as explained under the heading ‘Ins) means tribes settled at a place, and Jinn means those Bedouins, nomadic tribes or gypsies who kept on wandering from place to place and remained in deserts of forests away from cities. In Arabia such people were great in number. Since the message of the Qur’an was for both the types, it has pointedly addressed both of them. For instance:

In verse 6/131 “Oh Ye, assembly of Jinn and Ins don’t you know that a Rasool came to you from amongst you”. (In the Qur’an no reference is there to show that at any time a Jinn was also a Rasool). It is further clarified in verse 7:35 that the Rusul (plural) were from Bani-Adam and sent towards them. In Surahs Jinn and Ahq’af, a reference occurs where it is mentioned that a group of Jinns came to the Rasool to listen to the Qur’an (72/1, 46/29). This also shows that the group who came to Rasool-Allah (PBUH) were actually human beings,  but from uncivilized tribes.

General Discussions / Al-Fajr explained by Parwez - A poetic license ??
« on: November 11, 2011, 02:58:46 PM »
Dear Friends, Salaam

While reading Al-Fajr, chapter 89 I found the following exposition (unlike a translation) by Parwez. Contrast this with other translators who cannot seem to decide whether the 10 nights mentioned here are those of Ramadan or Hajj ! [please visit to read multiple translations]. Notice also how Parwez connects the beginning of the verses with the subject that follows, making a lot of sense [ Exposition of Parwez can be read at ]. 

1-4.      (The great congregation of Hajj was proposed to discuss and sort out complicated issues affecting mankind. But just see what these pagan Arabs have turned this event into.) They have earmarked the first ten nights of this congregation for merrymaking, indulging in every kind of lewdness. Gambling, played by throwing dice odd and even, takes place on all around.  During the last night the merrymaking reaches its climax, and when they wake up in the morning to celebrate the function of Hajj, that too is a passing manifestation of their lewdness.  Wealthy traders of Quraish and the custodians of Ka'aba do all this, intoxicated by wealth and power. (They wastefully throw away the wealth, while the poor around them do not even have crumbs to eat.)

5.         Anyone using intellect and reason, even casually, will easily conclude that the ultimate end of these people would be the same as that of earlier nations.

6/7.       (For instance) Consider the end of the people of Aad, who were from the progeny of Erm and who had abundant and reliable means of sustenance (26:132-134).  They constructed huge buildings and great memorials for themselves (26:128).

8.         They occupied a unique position amongst their contemporary nations.

9.         And consider the end of the people of Thamud, who carved out strong forts on the mountain sides (7:74; 15:82);

10.        And the end of the Pharaoh, master of the most powerful forces, who was firmly established in the land.

11-12.   These rebellious people had transgressed all bounds, creating chaos and disorder.

13.        So what was their end result? The Law of Mukafat of your Rabb let loose on them the scourge of diverse chastisement (and all of them perished).

14.        The Law of Mukafat of your Rabb is ever alert and He watches everyone from His ambuscade.  Nothing is hidden from His sight. (Thus whatever happened to those tribes and people, will also happen to these Arab chiefs who have transgressed all bounds of wickedness.)

15.        (The fact is that when human beings turn away from the guidance of Wahi and stop using their minds the concept of 'law' disappears from their sight. They forget that any good or bad that happens is the result of individual or collective deeds of someone. The one who does not recognize this reality belives that all these things occur by chance. For instance), owing to this erroneous thinking whenever life takes a pleasant and favourable turn, a person does not try to find out which actions of his have brought about such blessings in his life. Instead he says, "This is Allah's blessing which He bestows on any one He likes (meaning that there are no set laws or regulations in this regard).

General Discussions / No More Miracles!
« on: November 11, 2011, 02:15:50 PM »
Dear All,

We read:

88:17 Do the disbelievers not see how rain clouds are formed,
88:18 how the heavens are lifted,
88:19 how the mountains are raised high,
88:20 how the earth is spread out?
88:21 So [Prophet] warn them: your only task is to give warning,
88:22 you are not there to control them.
88:23 As for those who turn away and disbelieve,
88:24 God will inflict the greatest torment upon them.
88:25 It is to Us they will return,
88:26 and then it is for Us to call them to account.

What is striking about these verses is that Allah SWT is asking the people to use their faculties of observation and perception and study the phenomenon of nature and then decide whether there is a Creator and if there is one what are His plans for us?

For generations before the advent of Muhammad (PBUH) we learn, from the study of their scriptures, a lot of miracles took place. In The New Testament we read about amazing Miracles. The Qur'an also mentions some of them.

We note, however, for those addressed 1400 years ago and onwards, there were no miracles!! Mankind was asked to study and observe. In other words, a new dawn of rational thought, science and technology was was to start and for such a people, there had to be a new way of recognising a Creator and that He had a plan for mankind which was based on consequences according to actions in this world and the next.

Mujiza, I have read, is something that is mind boggling and defeats the intellect - what the brain fails to comprehend (it becomes Aajiz); Belief based on rational conviction is totally different as it is arrived after using our faculties of observation and perception. Something that appeals to our intellect and is not designed to defeat it.

Another theme we find mentioned in the above verses is that man will not be forced to believe. The Messenger's (and those who follow him) job is to present the truth and invite to the truth but it is not his job is to make people believe.

Discussions / Watch documentary on Muhammad Asad
« on: November 11, 2011, 01:39:50 PM »
"Islam should be presented without any fanaticism. Without any stress on our having the only possible way and the others are lost. Moderation in all forms is a basic demand of Islam."

"Every age requires a new approach to the Quran for the simple reason that the Quran is made for all ages. It is our duty to look for deeper meanings in the Quran in order to increase our knowledge and experience. The Quran wants your intellect to be always active and trying to approach the message of God. God himself dedicated this book to people who think."

Muhammad Asad (converted from Judaism to Islam, lived in the Middle Eeat, and wrote many books including his famous "The Message of the Qur'an" translation.

Watch a documentary on Muhammad Asad on

Dear Br Joe

It is a common Muslim practice to ask for peace and blessings for the Messenger. Therefore, I wanted to explore this concept keeping in mind that there can be no other person who is blessed than a Messenger.

Now that The blessed Messenger is no longer with us, In short,  I tend to agree with:

"...SALAWAAT is not reading something for a certain number of times but practically doing something i.e. commending and supporting the mission of the Messenger [a.s.]  by whatever means we can..."

Dear Truth Seeker, Peace

You said:

"...Yet in the case of the prophets and messengers God is confirming that they are 'blessed' and all that he is asking is that we in a way testify to this fact......."

In that case, would you not agree that for Messengers/Apostles we should say "Blessed are they (or he/she)?" Rather than expressing a hope by asking Allah to bless them. Allah testifies that they are blessed.

As for other people who died and we express a hope for Allah to bless them I think we do that because we really don't know their final destination. Messengers/Apostles are different. From the Qur'an we do know what their status is/will be.

Discussions / Re: Previous Scriptures and the Qur'an
« on: November 08, 2011, 01:48:42 PM »
Peace Br Joe

You said:

Ezekiel 44:12 (KJB)

"Because they ministered unto them before their idols, and caused the house of Israel to fall into iniquity; therefore have I lifted up mine hand against them, saith the Lord GOD, and they shall bear their iniquity"

Can this not refer to punishment in this world (as per His Law of consequences for all nations)? It does not seem to speak of a concept of after life, or the life to come, or a Day of Results/Judgement Day. In the Qur'an the description of life to come, judgement, hell and heaven have been repeatedly given in vivid detail.

I was wondering if, during your studies of the Bible, you found similar material. Do the Jews believe in reserruction and Day of Judgement?

Seems as if what revelation was given to Jesus was named as Injeel. Most or some Muslims think that it was given in a similar form as the Qur'an and they have completely lost it. That does not seem to be the case or the disciples would have mentioned it.

Thanks for your comments Visionary. You said:

"..Although the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) is no longer with us, by virtue of 37.79 and others, I feel that out of respect for him and all the other prophets and messengers that came before him, we should ask God to 'bless/ send peace' upon them...."

Just wondering the logic behind this directive. We know that Allah's noble and exalted Messengers who have passed on are blessed and in peace. Allah testifies to that. Since they have passed on just wondering why are we asked to pray for those blessed and in peace already?? As against other believers and our dead parents we are not to ask for forgiveness for them just ask for peace and blessings on them.

Once we understand the logic or reason for a directive, we feel more enthusiasm in in following it (rather than a robot)!! That is why Allah tells us to do X to achieve Y (in case, for example for Salat and Saum).


Discussions / Previous Scriptures and the Qur'an
« on: November 07, 2011, 06:21:22 PM »
Dear Br Joe and friends,

With respect to life to come, after giving good news to those who believe and do good and bad news to those that do not, we read in the Qur'an:

"87:18 Verily, [all] this has indeed been [said] in the earlier revelations" (87:19) the revelations/scriptures of Abraham and Moses.

What is the concept of life in the hereafter in the Bible and particularly the scriptures of Moses? Do we read verses in it that speak of an after life with consequences? Do those scriptures speak of a Day of Judgement and accountability?

Seems from the above that Abraham was also recipient of a scripture. Does the Bible speak about it?

While speaking of earlier scriptures, we are told in the Qur'an that Allah gave "Injeel" to Jesus. Does that mean it was in the same form as the Qur'an where Allah speaks directly to man or does that refer to "inspiration" which Jesus conveyed orally to his people? In the New Testament Books we find stories about Jesus written down by men but not a Qur'an-like Book where Allah talks directly to His Messenger and his audience?


Peace Br Joe and all forum friends!!

We read in the Qur'an that Allah bestows peace upon Messengers who are no longer with us and were no longer alive when the Qur'an was revealed:"and We left him thus to be remembered among later generations:" (27:78)  'Peace be upon Noah throughout all the worlds!' (37:79)

Is the above an indication of how to remember those noble Messengers of Allah are to be remembered by believer (by invoking a short prayer for them)?

Does that mean, to show respect and our appreciation,  whenever the name of a Messenger is mentioned, it must be followed by "Upon him be peace"? What if  during a discussion his name comes up repeatedly?

I read the following at your website:

".....033.056  'Indeed, God and His angels send blessings (Arabic: Yusalluna) on the Prophet: O you that believe! Send blessings on him and greet him with respect / greetings'

1. Although you have pointed out that to make exclusions for Muhammad (PBUH) is not the way to go, you did not provide an alternate translation !

2. What is the meaning of Yasulluna? Does it mean blessings alone or does it also include help, support, acknowledge, encourage, salute, cheer on?

3. If the above (33:056) is to be done (send blessings by uttering a short prayer), how can it be done for a Messenger who is no longer with us?

To help us with the discussion, allow me to share the following concerning Salawat and "Durood" that I read recently:

The word DAROOD is not Arabic. The word SALAWAAT is Arabic. It is usually believed that if we read SALAWAAT on Muhammad [s.a.] for a certain number of times, our sins will be forgiven, so on and so forth.
If we see the Quran, we come to know that it is not only human beings who are to do SALAWAAT but Allah, His angels as well as the prophet [s.a.] also do SALAWAAT on human beings.

Please see the following:

Allah's SALAWAAT on human beings

2:156 When a calamity befalls them, they do not waver. Rather, they say, "We are for Allah, dedicated to His Cause and every step of ours will advance in the Direction shown by Him."
2:157 It is they on whom is SALAWAAT from their Lord [i.e. whom their Lord supports] and blesses with His Grace. And it is they, they who are guided to the most desirable destination.

The above verse clearly indicates that SALAWAAT can also be on human beings from Allah. Now does this mean that Allah reads for a certain time SALAWAAT on people? It does not make sense.

Rasool's SALAWAAT for human beings

9:103 Accept their contribution for the community. Purify their thoughts with proper education and training so that their "Self" may grow. SALLI ALAIHIM [i.e. commend/appreciate them!] Your SALAWAAT [i.e. commendation/appreciation] is a great source of peace in their hearts. Allah is Hearer, Knower.

In the above verse Allah has ordered Muhammad [s.a.] to do SALAWAAT on human beings. Does this mean that Muhammad [s.a.] reads SALAWAAT on people for a certain number of times? It does not make sense.

Allah's and His Angels' SALAWAAT on human beings

33:43 He it is Who bestows His blessings upon you, and supports you [YUSALLI ALAIKUM], and His angels, that He may bring you forth from darkness into the Light. And Merciful is He, indeed, to those who attain belief.

In the above verse Allah and His angles do SALAWAAT on momineen. Does this mean that Allah and His angels reads SALAWAAT on people for a certain number of times? It does not make sense.

SALAWAT of human beings for the RASOOL

9:99 And among the Bedouins are those who believe in Allah and the Last Day and consider their spending as a means towards Allah and a means of SALAWAAT-E-RASOOL [i.e. commendation/appreciation/moral support of the Messenger]. This will raise their ranks with Allah. Allah will embrace them with His Mercy. Verily, Allah is Forgiving, Gracious.

The above verse explains the concept of SALAWAAT by describing "Spending" as a means of "getting appreciation".

Now see the most commonly referred verse according to which momineen should do SALAWAAT on Muhammad [s.a.]

33:56 Verily, Allah and His angels bless the Messenger and commend/support his Mission [YUSALLOONA]. O You who have chosen to be graced with belief! Commend/Support his Mission [SALOO ALAIHI] in total submission.

Consider all the above verses and decide yourself.
Is SALAWAAT just from Momineen for Muhammad [a.s.]?
The answer is no.
The SALAWAAT is also from Allah to human beings.
The SALAWAAT is also from the Messenger [a.s.] for human beings.

So when Allah does SALAWAAT on human beings, Does He read something for a certain number of times on human beings?

SALAWAAT is not reading something for a certain number of times but practically doing something i.e. commending and supporting the mission of the Messenger [a.s.]  by whatever means we can.

SALAWAAT is not something that should be a bone of contention whether there should be a SALAWAAT before adhan (i.e. the call for the prayer) or not. It has an utterly different meaning and objective.




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