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General Discussions / Re: Question for Brother Joseph Islam (or anyone else on here) regarding Quran 10:39
« Last post by xsilentmurmurx on September 18, 2023, 08:31:56 AM »Come on... SOMEONE must have an answer!
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Discussions / Re: Quran is fully detailed and clear, it can be further expanded.
« Last post by Wakas on September 10, 2023, 04:50:24 PM »Salamun alaykum,
https://youtube.com/shorts/iVYDLDjlMRs?si=PSC5nsA3KK1gAMiS
So, Rumzi states it can be better clarified and gives a very logical example. So from the Quranic perspective, why does the Qur'an need any further explanation or complementary materials that gives more detailed instructions or detailed history?
peace,
The Quran states it is clear, detailed, gives every example etc:
https://mypercept.co.uk/articles/Quran_clear_complete_detailed_explained.htm
That means with regard to its purpose: salvation. It contains what is binding upon us for those who wish to follow it etc. That does not mean we cannot look to external sources as Quran asks us many times to look at the world around us, use our AQL, ponder over XYZ etc so this means we can use sources such as history, traditions etc BUT that does not mean they are authoritative/binding. Only The Quran is authoritative.
And as for rebuttals to the other link there is loads of info online, e.g. articles on this site, threads on this forum and free-minds and youtube videos etc.
Some examples:
https://mypercept.co.uk/articles/Rethinking_Tradition_Modern_Islamic_Thought.htm
http://islam-and-muslims.com/Kashif-Ahmed-Shehzada-The-Authority-of-Al-Quran.pdf
https://mypercept.co.uk/articles/Quran_True_Sunnah_of_Messenger_Naveed.htm
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Discussions / Re: Quran is fully detailed and clear, it can be further expanded.
« Last post by F.M.S.Abdal on September 09, 2023, 01:35:33 PM »Anyone went over these links and have any rebuttals?
https://www.call-to-monotheism.com/hadeeth_rejecters
https://www.call-to-monotheism.com/hadeeth_rejecters
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General Discussions / Qur'an: The Spirit (Ruh) and Q-Chakras
« Last post by Ad Sep on September 06, 2023, 06:12:52 PM »file:///home/adel/Documents/The%20Q-Chakras-2AE.pdf
/home/adel/Documents/The Q-Chakras-3A.pdf
/home/adel/Documents/The Q-Chakras-3A.pdf
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Discussions / Quran is fully detailed and clear, it can be further expanded.
« Last post by F.M.S.Abdal on September 06, 2023, 12:39:04 PM »Salamun alaykum,
https://youtube.com/shorts/iVYDLDjlMRs?si=PSC5nsA3KK1gAMiS
So, Rumzi states it can be better clarified and gives a very logical example. So from the Quranic perspective, why does the Qur'an need any further explanation or complementary materials that gives more detailed instructions or detailed history?
https://youtube.com/shorts/iVYDLDjlMRs?si=PSC5nsA3KK1gAMiS
So, Rumzi states it can be better clarified and gives a very logical example. So from the Quranic perspective, why does the Qur'an need any further explanation or complementary materials that gives more detailed instructions or detailed history?
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Discussions / YouTube channels with Quran-centric content
« Last post by Wakas on September 03, 2023, 06:33:50 PM »Please list them here, thanks.
https://www.youtube.com/@MuhammadfromGOD
https://www.youtube.com/@ImpactfulScholar
https://www.youtube.com/@QuranicIslam/videos
https://www.youtube.com/@qurancentric7459/videos
https://www.youtube.com/@QuranTalk/videos
https://www.youtube.com/@DrAhmedSubhyMansourAhlAlquran/featured
https://www.youtube.com/user/SimpleTruthIslam/videos
https://www.youtube.com/@SamGerrans/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/iipcpakistan/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/edipyuksel
https://www.youtube.com/@thequranistmuslims520
Not specifically Quran-centric but interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6SfFYRljeY&ab_channel=MuftiAbuLayth
https://www.youtube.com/user/QuranSpeaks
Note: linking to the channel does not mean I necessarily endorse or agree with everything they state.
More here:
https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611171.0
https://www.youtube.com/@MuhammadfromGOD
https://www.youtube.com/@ImpactfulScholar
https://www.youtube.com/@QuranicIslam/videos
https://www.youtube.com/@qurancentric7459/videos
https://www.youtube.com/@QuranTalk/videos
https://www.youtube.com/@DrAhmedSubhyMansourAhlAlquran/featured
https://www.youtube.com/user/SimpleTruthIslam/videos
https://www.youtube.com/@SamGerrans/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/iipcpakistan/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/edipyuksel
https://www.youtube.com/@thequranistmuslims520
Not specifically Quran-centric but interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6SfFYRljeY&ab_channel=MuftiAbuLayth
https://www.youtube.com/user/QuranSpeaks
Note: linking to the channel does not mean I necessarily endorse or agree with everything they state.
More here:
https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611171.0
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General Discussions / Question for Brother Joseph Islam (or anyone else on here) regarding Quran 10:39
« Last post by xsilentmurmurx on August 27, 2023, 08:39:25 AM »Assalamu Alaykum
Inshallah everyone is doing well. I have a question for Brother Joseph Islam or anyone else who knows the answer, regarding Surah 10 Ayah 38-39. This is in regards to brother Joseph's article "Produce a Surah like it" :
http://quransmessage.com/articles/produce%20a%20surah%20FM3.htm
In the article, he mentions that :
If possible, please provide more clarification on how the lack of knowledge of the interpretation of the Quran or the lack of being able to encompass the knowledge of the Quran, lead the Pagan Arabs to fail at meeting the challenge of the Quran? What is the ayah referring to when it mentions "knowledge of the interpretation of the Quran and being able to encompass its knowledge"?
Do we have enough knowledge of the interpretation of the Quran today and are we able to encompass its knowledge today so the Quranic challenge can be met? If not, doesn't that imply that the Quran is a miracle?
Thank you
May Allah Bless you all Insha Allah
Inshallah everyone is doing well. I have a question for Brother Joseph Islam or anyone else who knows the answer, regarding Surah 10 Ayah 38-39. This is in regards to brother Joseph's article "Produce a Surah like it" :
http://quransmessage.com/articles/produce%20a%20surah%20FM3.htm
In the article, he mentions that :
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As is clear from the above verse, the reason that the challenge could never be met was not because the language of the Quran was far too superior for the them to emulate but because the 'bi'ilmihi walama yatihiim tawiluh' (knowledge of its interpretation) had not yet been completed nor could they yet encompass it's knowledge (bima lam yuhitu bi'ilmihi).
If possible, please provide more clarification on how the lack of knowledge of the interpretation of the Quran or the lack of being able to encompass the knowledge of the Quran, lead the Pagan Arabs to fail at meeting the challenge of the Quran? What is the ayah referring to when it mentions "knowledge of the interpretation of the Quran and being able to encompass its knowledge"?
Do we have enough knowledge of the interpretation of the Quran today and are we able to encompass its knowledge today so the Quranic challenge can be met? If not, doesn't that imply that the Quran is a miracle?
Thank you
May Allah Bless you all Insha Allah
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General Discussions / A thesis on the meaning of SALAT in the Quran.
« Last post by Cihan on August 26, 2023, 02:46:43 AM »Salam brothers and sisters.
I have compiled a thesis regarding SALAT in the Quran. It is quite long so I have uploaded it as a PDF and the link is below.
It is a deep analysis so it is rather long but I would love your input. Please copy and paste the URL below into your browsers search bar and download. My email is buyukbas.c@gmail.com. If you wish I can send it to you directly. All questions, discussions and criticisms are welcome.
https://www.slideshare.net/CihanBuyukbas/salat-thesispdf
Kind Regards
Cihan Buyukbas
I have compiled a thesis regarding SALAT in the Quran. It is quite long so I have uploaded it as a PDF and the link is below.
It is a deep analysis so it is rather long but I would love your input. Please copy and paste the URL below into your browsers search bar and download. My email is buyukbas.c@gmail.com. If you wish I can send it to you directly. All questions, discussions and criticisms are welcome.
https://www.slideshare.net/CihanBuyukbas/salat-thesispdf
Kind Regards
Cihan Buyukbas
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Islamic Duties / A thesis on the meaning of SALAT in the Quran.
« Last post by Cihan on August 26, 2023, 02:45:08 AM »Salam brothers and sisters.
I have compiled a thesis regarding SALAT in the Quran. It is quite long so I have uploaded it as a PDF and the link is below.
It is a deep analysis so it is rather long but I would love your input. Please copy and paste the URL below into your browsers search bar and download. My email is buyukbas.c@gmail.com. If you wish I can send it to you directly. All questions, discussions and criticisms are welcome.
https://www.slideshare.net/CihanBuyukbas/salat-thesispdf
Kind Regards
Cihan Buyukbas
I have compiled a thesis regarding SALAT in the Quran. It is quite long so I have uploaded it as a PDF and the link is below.
It is a deep analysis so it is rather long but I would love your input. Please copy and paste the URL below into your browsers search bar and download. My email is buyukbas.c@gmail.com. If you wish I can send it to you directly. All questions, discussions and criticisms are welcome.
https://www.slideshare.net/CihanBuyukbas/salat-thesispdf
Kind Regards
Cihan Buyukbas
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Discussions / Are we overdue for a period of Islamic renaissance?
« Last post by Naeem Xapha on July 30, 2023, 10:05:25 PM »Peace be upon you, brothers and sisters.
I was in a conversation this week with a close friend; a casual chat triggered by this year's Muharram events around the world. I suggested to him that what we are seeing here - such zealous demonstrations of lament- are the result of a political offshoot of Islam based on hearsay and questionable written/oral transmissions; that these highly emotive public marches seem to have no obvious support from the Quran. I further suggested that by not observing these particular annual practices, it would not detract one from being a Muslim; they were unnecessary. My friend disagreed with me wholeheartedly. He may even be wondering whether I have become an infidel.
My post here is not really about the events associated with the traditions surrounding the first Islamic month, but more about how we seem to be moving further and further away from what Allah requires of us. I am troubled by the evolutionary dilution of our faith over time; I am frustrated by having to keep silent when listening to stories being told by our mass-produced clergy during mosque sermons; and by the ranks of self-appointed scholars who plague YouTube... and who appear to enjoy a substantial following. Their talks seem to be based almost entirely on non- Quranic sources, although told with great conviction and evangelical passion. Their ever-popular version of Islam is further propagated elsewhere online and on religious TV shows.
Closer to home, my two young sons have started to accompany their friends to local mosques, where "enlightened speakers" come to give talks on various matters. The boys sometimes come away doubting whether they are committing haram. For example, by listening to music- even instrumental music. Not being learned enough to deal with such controversies, I simply say to them: If the Quran is silent on a matter, use your own judgement and discretion.
Once, one of their (generally polite and respectable) friends asked me: "Uncle, do you believe in the moon being split by the Prophet?".
My reply to him was something along the lines of: If it did happen then it would be entirely through Allah's power, but as there seems to be no independently recorded event of this being observed elsewhere in the world, I would have to say that it may not have occurred in the way most Muslims believe. He was quite upset upon hearing this and asked me if I knew more than the scholars did? Flippantly, I said "Yes. Because I prefer Allah's evidence over that compiled by men". I may have dented what little credibility I may have had with the young man.
(If you are confused about this post and wondering what on earth is he going on about, please try to question almost anyone whether it is necessary to follow our hadith, in order to be a believer... in my experience, even questioning this labels you as a non-Muslim!)
I think that here I am simply sharing my thoughts with a wider audience in the hope that others may have experienced similar occasions of frustration, and to determine whether they also feel that so many of us have become little more than what the Orientalists used to call us: "Mohamedans".
I was in a conversation this week with a close friend; a casual chat triggered by this year's Muharram events around the world. I suggested to him that what we are seeing here - such zealous demonstrations of lament- are the result of a political offshoot of Islam based on hearsay and questionable written/oral transmissions; that these highly emotive public marches seem to have no obvious support from the Quran. I further suggested that by not observing these particular annual practices, it would not detract one from being a Muslim; they were unnecessary. My friend disagreed with me wholeheartedly. He may even be wondering whether I have become an infidel.
My post here is not really about the events associated with the traditions surrounding the first Islamic month, but more about how we seem to be moving further and further away from what Allah requires of us. I am troubled by the evolutionary dilution of our faith over time; I am frustrated by having to keep silent when listening to stories being told by our mass-produced clergy during mosque sermons; and by the ranks of self-appointed scholars who plague YouTube... and who appear to enjoy a substantial following. Their talks seem to be based almost entirely on non- Quranic sources, although told with great conviction and evangelical passion. Their ever-popular version of Islam is further propagated elsewhere online and on religious TV shows.
Closer to home, my two young sons have started to accompany their friends to local mosques, where "enlightened speakers" come to give talks on various matters. The boys sometimes come away doubting whether they are committing haram. For example, by listening to music- even instrumental music. Not being learned enough to deal with such controversies, I simply say to them: If the Quran is silent on a matter, use your own judgement and discretion.
Once, one of their (generally polite and respectable) friends asked me: "Uncle, do you believe in the moon being split by the Prophet?".
My reply to him was something along the lines of: If it did happen then it would be entirely through Allah's power, but as there seems to be no independently recorded event of this being observed elsewhere in the world, I would have to say that it may not have occurred in the way most Muslims believe. He was quite upset upon hearing this and asked me if I knew more than the scholars did? Flippantly, I said "Yes. Because I prefer Allah's evidence over that compiled by men". I may have dented what little credibility I may have had with the young man.
(If you are confused about this post and wondering what on earth is he going on about, please try to question almost anyone whether it is necessary to follow our hadith, in order to be a believer... in my experience, even questioning this labels you as a non-Muslim!)
I think that here I am simply sharing my thoughts with a wider audience in the hope that others may have experienced similar occasions of frustration, and to determine whether they also feel that so many of us have become little more than what the Orientalists used to call us: "Mohamedans".