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#21
General Discussions / Re: Can you please create a Di...
Last post by Wakas - April 27, 2025, 05:11:46 PMThere are lots of facebook groups and quite a few discord groups also.
e.g.
https://discord.gg/submission
e.g.
https://discord.gg/submission
#22
General Discussions / Re: Can you please create a Di...
Last post by Sabir Mahmud - April 26, 2025, 10:55:45 AMAssalamu Alaikum everyone again,
I understand our brother Joseph Islam is already engaged in multiple platforms. And he has already done as much as he could.
My brothers and sisters, now I myself has decided to create a discord server for the Quran only people. I would invite all of you to join our Quran Alone Community on discord. I hope you guys will like it.
Join Link:
https://discord.gg/GppDmxPdMp
I understand our brother Joseph Islam is already engaged in multiple platforms. And he has already done as much as he could.
My brothers and sisters, now I myself has decided to create a discord server for the Quran only people. I would invite all of you to join our Quran Alone Community on discord. I hope you guys will like it.
Join Link:
https://discord.gg/GppDmxPdMp
#23
Discussions / Re: Peace between people
Last post by fireheart47 - April 19, 2025, 11:04:13 PMDear QM Forum,
I've been hesitant to share some observations about the scriptures. However, I think it is a noble duty to be open and honest.
Allah
From my perspective, the TaNaKh, the Bible, and the Qur'an, all have unique features, which contribute to an awareness of Allah.
Each book has a unique contribution, which is why I believe in the Qur'an.
Thanks to an Israeli in Tel Aviv, I learned that the word אל in Biblical Hebrew can mean "to" or "towards". This person described to me how it is related to the idea of movement.
While reading the Bible and searching online, I learned that אל appears in many forms, and can be transliterated into English in many ways. For example, I've found instances of אל, אלה, אלוה, אלהים. Just like how in Arabic there are different ways to write it: اله، الله.
In English, it is transliterated as El, Elohim, or Allah.
I believe the sound of this word and name, Allah, is much older than the written languages. Therefore, it has been written many different ways by descendants of Abraham and believers.
Thanks to a video on YouTube about the Qur'an ( https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=4oJIrgZeDxY or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oJIrgZeDxY ), I deduced that the idea expressed in the name, Allah, is related to movement and time.
Instead of worshiping celestial objects, Abraham and his followers rationally and logically worshiped the force which moved the celestial objects. A hidden force, which cannot be accurately nor rationally depicted with symbols or statues.
Today we have many religious symbols, because that's how we communicate their differences and organize them as groups. Many Jewish people use Star of David symbol, many Christian use Cross symbol, and many Muslims use Moon symbol. It is easy to criticize. Yet, we should show mercy. There are also Jewish people who do not use that symbol, Christians like Jehovah's Witnesses don't use cross, and many mosques don't have moons. Symbols can contribute to identification and persecution. In the past, many Christians in Europe used the Pentagram as a religious symbol.
This supports the sayings I've heard, where Allah is described as time.
For other reasons, like the use of א and ל , I also believe that the word EL and Allah, means The Force. Because these letters imply strength (mature horned animal) and direction (shepherd's staff), as described by website Hebrew4Christians ( https://hebrew4christians.com/Grammar/Unit_One/Aleph-Bet/aleph-bet.html ). Also, because the word EL can be used in other situations, like the word Elon, which means oak, and oak wood is very strong. Others translate Elohim as "the mighty ones". There is also a Valley of Elah in Israel.
Unlike polytheistic worldviews, where people worship specific forces of nature, like the sun or water, the beliefs of the Israelites discoverable in the Torah, Bible, and Qur'an are holistic. Scholars of Ancient Egypt like Dr. Asa Hillard say that Ancient Egypt tried to promote a holistic worldview, yet over thousands of years, they lost this knowledge ( https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=9xkjsq4u-LY ). Even in the Bible, the scriptures speak of Israelites who lost their knowledge and became misguided through sacrifices, polytheism, and traditions of their ancestors, instead of promoting personal conduct, the power of words, the unity of the world and its source, the holiness of human life, mercy, peace, and so much more.
However, one contradiction has caught my attention. Many believers, and even the books, place great emphasis on Satan, which I believe is associating powers with Allah. Because Allah has the power. Allah is the controller.
In the Torah/the Pentateuch/the first five books of Moses, the word "satan" does not seem to appear as a distinct entity. Instead it appears as a verb (Book of Numbers 22:22), which means "to oppose", similar to the Greek word, where "devil" comes from. This is similar to function of Set in the Ancient Egyptian allegory. Notice how many words in Hebrew and Arabic have -N suffix (ex: solom-on, muslim-un, amin-un, sat-an). In the Ancient Egyptian allegory, Set is defeated by Horus, which I believe is our observation, and describes how Egyptians learned to survive on the Nile River. However, in the Book of Job it does appear as a distinct entity, separate from God.
My observation is that in the ancient Israelite culture, God is The Force, time, movement, strength, the reason for all existence, source, active, and hidden. It is the forces that create and the forces that oppose. Logically, there is more creation than opposition, because otherwise the universe would not exist. The universe exists, life exists, we exist, and we can be blessed, because the good forces are greater than the oppositional forces.
I believe the Israelites used the name YHWH ( https://www.thetorah.com/article/yhwh-the-original-arabic-meaning-of-the-name ) to describe the quality of Allah, which is great and terrifying, because it is responsible for the destruction and for creation. I believe this is why people are told to fear God. I believe YHWH is the nature of Allah, and to become destroyers of life is to break the law of Allah.
I believe ar-rahman ar-raheem are two important attributes of Allah, which guide our conduct and how we oppose others. I believe it is also the nature of Allah, and is revealed by how Allah guides people.
I believe the word Amen is also from Egypt, and describes something hidden, invisible, and faith, as described by Ashwar Kwesi in his lecture ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6MeeAKk_9A ). I believe the scribes used this word in Greek, in the Book of Revelations 3:14, for the same reason as Wulfila used the word Gudan in Gothic and why English uses the word, God.
Wars and political power have shaped our world, yet the words of the books and their powerful ideas have been preserved miraculously. I believe all the religious books have been changed, yet they still contain truth. It is a truth about relationships, wisdom, ancient people, ancestors, and the source of many written languages.
These religions stem from observations about our world. Logical, rational observations. The word "science" means "knowledge" in Latin. It is an ideal, which many people seek. The Scientific Method is a method to discover irrefutable knowledge. In the past, many people who valued truth and knowledge have been denied, opposed, and their holy lives destroyed, because of how people interpreted these holy books. Books with knowledge, yet a different type of knowledge. Today, many people value what they call "science", and ignore truth and knowledge about our world. Many ignore or deny simple truths, when they come from people who are not on TV or in science magazines, like how precious and unique human life is in this deadly universe, or how words are important.
I believe that, when people fear evil forces which are lesser than Allah, they fear miracles and they fear everything that is different. Some of the religious authorities in the Bible feared Jesus and mocked him, because they thought he was possessed (Gospel of Matthew Chapter 12).
May Allah guide us. May we retain our faith.
Please forgive me if I have encroached excessively upon you all. May Allah give you many times more knowledge and guidance as I can type. May Allah protect and sustain us.
Peace,
Fireheart47
I've been hesitant to share some observations about the scriptures. However, I think it is a noble duty to be open and honest.
Allah
From my perspective, the TaNaKh, the Bible, and the Qur'an, all have unique features, which contribute to an awareness of Allah.
Each book has a unique contribution, which is why I believe in the Qur'an.
Thanks to an Israeli in Tel Aviv, I learned that the word אל in Biblical Hebrew can mean "to" or "towards". This person described to me how it is related to the idea of movement.
While reading the Bible and searching online, I learned that אל appears in many forms, and can be transliterated into English in many ways. For example, I've found instances of אל, אלה, אלוה, אלהים. Just like how in Arabic there are different ways to write it: اله، الله.
In English, it is transliterated as El, Elohim, or Allah.
I believe the sound of this word and name, Allah, is much older than the written languages. Therefore, it has been written many different ways by descendants of Abraham and believers.
Thanks to a video on YouTube about the Qur'an ( https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=4oJIrgZeDxY or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oJIrgZeDxY ), I deduced that the idea expressed in the name, Allah, is related to movement and time.
Instead of worshiping celestial objects, Abraham and his followers rationally and logically worshiped the force which moved the celestial objects. A hidden force, which cannot be accurately nor rationally depicted with symbols or statues.
Today we have many religious symbols, because that's how we communicate their differences and organize them as groups. Many Jewish people use Star of David symbol, many Christian use Cross symbol, and many Muslims use Moon symbol. It is easy to criticize. Yet, we should show mercy. There are also Jewish people who do not use that symbol, Christians like Jehovah's Witnesses don't use cross, and many mosques don't have moons. Symbols can contribute to identification and persecution. In the past, many Christians in Europe used the Pentagram as a religious symbol.
This supports the sayings I've heard, where Allah is described as time.
For other reasons, like the use of א and ל , I also believe that the word EL and Allah, means The Force. Because these letters imply strength (mature horned animal) and direction (shepherd's staff), as described by website Hebrew4Christians ( https://hebrew4christians.com/Grammar/Unit_One/Aleph-Bet/aleph-bet.html ). Also, because the word EL can be used in other situations, like the word Elon, which means oak, and oak wood is very strong. Others translate Elohim as "the mighty ones". There is also a Valley of Elah in Israel.
Unlike polytheistic worldviews, where people worship specific forces of nature, like the sun or water, the beliefs of the Israelites discoverable in the Torah, Bible, and Qur'an are holistic. Scholars of Ancient Egypt like Dr. Asa Hillard say that Ancient Egypt tried to promote a holistic worldview, yet over thousands of years, they lost this knowledge ( https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=9xkjsq4u-LY ). Even in the Bible, the scriptures speak of Israelites who lost their knowledge and became misguided through sacrifices, polytheism, and traditions of their ancestors, instead of promoting personal conduct, the power of words, the unity of the world and its source, the holiness of human life, mercy, peace, and so much more.
However, one contradiction has caught my attention. Many believers, and even the books, place great emphasis on Satan, which I believe is associating powers with Allah. Because Allah has the power. Allah is the controller.
In the Torah/the Pentateuch/the first five books of Moses, the word "satan" does not seem to appear as a distinct entity. Instead it appears as a verb (Book of Numbers 22:22), which means "to oppose", similar to the Greek word, where "devil" comes from. This is similar to function of Set in the Ancient Egyptian allegory. Notice how many words in Hebrew and Arabic have -N suffix (ex: solom-on, muslim-un, amin-un, sat-an). In the Ancient Egyptian allegory, Set is defeated by Horus, which I believe is our observation, and describes how Egyptians learned to survive on the Nile River. However, in the Book of Job it does appear as a distinct entity, separate from God.
My observation is that in the ancient Israelite culture, God is The Force, time, movement, strength, the reason for all existence, source, active, and hidden. It is the forces that create and the forces that oppose. Logically, there is more creation than opposition, because otherwise the universe would not exist. The universe exists, life exists, we exist, and we can be blessed, because the good forces are greater than the oppositional forces.
I believe the Israelites used the name YHWH ( https://www.thetorah.com/article/yhwh-the-original-arabic-meaning-of-the-name ) to describe the quality of Allah, which is great and terrifying, because it is responsible for the destruction and for creation. I believe this is why people are told to fear God. I believe YHWH is the nature of Allah, and to become destroyers of life is to break the law of Allah.
I believe ar-rahman ar-raheem are two important attributes of Allah, which guide our conduct and how we oppose others. I believe it is also the nature of Allah, and is revealed by how Allah guides people.
I believe the word Amen is also from Egypt, and describes something hidden, invisible, and faith, as described by Ashwar Kwesi in his lecture ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6MeeAKk_9A ). I believe the scribes used this word in Greek, in the Book of Revelations 3:14, for the same reason as Wulfila used the word Gudan in Gothic and why English uses the word, God.
Wars and political power have shaped our world, yet the words of the books and their powerful ideas have been preserved miraculously. I believe all the religious books have been changed, yet they still contain truth. It is a truth about relationships, wisdom, ancient people, ancestors, and the source of many written languages.
These religions stem from observations about our world. Logical, rational observations. The word "science" means "knowledge" in Latin. It is an ideal, which many people seek. The Scientific Method is a method to discover irrefutable knowledge. In the past, many people who valued truth and knowledge have been denied, opposed, and their holy lives destroyed, because of how people interpreted these holy books. Books with knowledge, yet a different type of knowledge. Today, many people value what they call "science", and ignore truth and knowledge about our world. Many ignore or deny simple truths, when they come from people who are not on TV or in science magazines, like how precious and unique human life is in this deadly universe, or how words are important.
I believe that, when people fear evil forces which are lesser than Allah, they fear miracles and they fear everything that is different. Some of the religious authorities in the Bible feared Jesus and mocked him, because they thought he was possessed (Gospel of Matthew Chapter 12).
May Allah guide us. May we retain our faith.
Please forgive me if I have encroached excessively upon you all. May Allah give you many times more knowledge and guidance as I can type. May Allah protect and sustain us.
Peace,
Fireheart47
#24
Discussions / Re: anti hadith resource idea
Last post by fireheart47 - April 19, 2025, 09:33:25 PMDear Wakas,
Thank you for composing this list. It is useful in many ways.
For example, item number 9 reminds me of a story from where we live in the USA. Native Americans said the Earth rests on a turtle's back. We were taught about this story as kids. Later as an adult, I wondered if Native Americans observed earthquakes and gradual changes in the landscape, which they described allegorically and symbolically as "a turtle's back", because it moves slowly. Perhaps there is another reason. Your #9 inspired me to search "geysers in Saudi Arabia" on DuckDuckGO, where I learned about "desert blowholes".
Of course, the core ideas of Islam are simple and true. Your list confirms what Joseph Islam and many others have observed.
Sincerely,
Fireheart47
Thank you for composing this list. It is useful in many ways.
For example, item number 9 reminds me of a story from where we live in the USA. Native Americans said the Earth rests on a turtle's back. We were taught about this story as kids. Later as an adult, I wondered if Native Americans observed earthquakes and gradual changes in the landscape, which they described allegorically and symbolically as "a turtle's back", because it moves slowly. Perhaps there is another reason. Your #9 inspired me to search "geysers in Saudi Arabia" on DuckDuckGO, where I learned about "desert blowholes".
Of course, the core ideas of Islam are simple and true. Your list confirms what Joseph Islam and many others have observed.
Sincerely,
Fireheart47
#25
Discussions / Re: anti hadith resource idea
Last post by Wakas - April 18, 2025, 05:17:46 AMScientific errors in hadith:
wikiislam,net/wiki/Scientific_Errors_in_the_Hadith
https://lampofislam.wordpress.com/2019/11/04/how-hadiths-contradict-science-and-reason/
e.g. (albeit some of these are non sahih bukhari/muslim)
1. The sun prostrates before the Throne after sunset
2. The sun rises between the horns of Satan
3. The sun sets in a spring of warm water
4. The sun moves around the Earth and stops a while after sunset
5. The gradations of strong natural objects are: mountain, iron, fire, water, wind, and man
6. God frightens people with eclipse
7. The moon produces its own light
8. There are giant goats in space
9. Earth rests on a whale
10. There is a huge gate to Heaven somewhere in the west
11. Nile and Euphrates rivers flow from heaven
12. Earthquakes in Najd region are accompanied by the rising of Satan's head
13. Thunder is a cloud-driving angel
14. Noon heat comes from hell-fire
15. No one can predict when it will rain
16. The first man was a 90 foot giant
17. Racial diversity and physical differences are due to different soils used to create Adam
18. Each embryological stage lasts 40 days
19. The gender of an embryo is assigned at a later stage
20. Saying 'God willing' before sex would guarantee a strong male child
21. A child resembles the parent who discharged first
22. Nobody knows a child's gender before its birth
23. Babies cry at birth because of Satan's touch
24. Birth marks are caused by the evil eye
25. Yawning is caused by Satan
26. You oversleep when Satan urinates in your ears
27. Satan sleeps in your nostrils during night
28. There is no infectious disease
29. Skin eruptions can be treated with spell
30. Looking at the sky during prayers leads to blindness
31. Fever is caused by the heat of hellfire
32. Love for worldly things causes blindness and deafness
33. Camel urine is a medicine
34. Black cumin cures all diseases
35. A housefly's wing cures diseases
36. Scorpion stings are cured by spell
37. Drinking honey cures diarrhoea
38. Water from truffles cures eye diseases
39. Cupping cures unknown diseases
40. Eating seven 'Ajwa dates protects from poisoning
41. The evil eye or nazar causes harm and can be prevented by incantation
42. Mankind's sins darkened the Black Stone
43. Crowing and braying indicate sights of angel and satan
44. Black dogs are devils
45. Monkeys practice stoning adulterers
46. Spinal bone never decays
47. Water is not polluted by dead dogs, menstrual clothes and rotten things
48. Non-Muslims have seven intestines while Muslims have one
49. All women are deficient in intelligence
50. A black spot appears on the heart of a sinning Muslim
51. Graves of true Muslims are widened to 70 cubits and bodies of hypocrites are squeezed
52. Jinns asked the Prophet for the remains of the human food
#####
contradictions in hadith
wikiislam,net/wiki/Contradictions_in_the_Hadith
https://astudyofquran.org/wp/10-the-implications-of-hadith-for-islam/10-3-ways-the-hadith-contradicts-the-quran/
https://asimiqbal2nd.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/contradictions.pdf
https://www.mohammedamin.com/Community_issues/How-reliable-are-hadith.html
https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/234967648-bukhari-contradictions/
https://islam.stackexchange.com/questions/35221/how-can-seemingly-contradictory-ahadith-still-be-classified-as-sahih
https://qurantalk.gitbook.io/problematic-sahih-hadith/contradictions
http://quranic.org/84/
https://qurantalk.gitbook.io/hadith-refutation/list-of-problematic-sahih-hadith
wikiislam,net/wiki/Scientific_Errors_in_the_Hadith
https://lampofislam.wordpress.com/2019/11/04/how-hadiths-contradict-science-and-reason/
e.g. (albeit some of these are non sahih bukhari/muslim)
1. The sun prostrates before the Throne after sunset
2. The sun rises between the horns of Satan
3. The sun sets in a spring of warm water
4. The sun moves around the Earth and stops a while after sunset
5. The gradations of strong natural objects are: mountain, iron, fire, water, wind, and man
6. God frightens people with eclipse
7. The moon produces its own light
8. There are giant goats in space
9. Earth rests on a whale
10. There is a huge gate to Heaven somewhere in the west
11. Nile and Euphrates rivers flow from heaven
12. Earthquakes in Najd region are accompanied by the rising of Satan's head
13. Thunder is a cloud-driving angel
14. Noon heat comes from hell-fire
15. No one can predict when it will rain
16. The first man was a 90 foot giant
17. Racial diversity and physical differences are due to different soils used to create Adam
18. Each embryological stage lasts 40 days
19. The gender of an embryo is assigned at a later stage
20. Saying 'God willing' before sex would guarantee a strong male child
21. A child resembles the parent who discharged first
22. Nobody knows a child's gender before its birth
23. Babies cry at birth because of Satan's touch
24. Birth marks are caused by the evil eye
25. Yawning is caused by Satan
26. You oversleep when Satan urinates in your ears
27. Satan sleeps in your nostrils during night
28. There is no infectious disease
29. Skin eruptions can be treated with spell
30. Looking at the sky during prayers leads to blindness
31. Fever is caused by the heat of hellfire
32. Love for worldly things causes blindness and deafness
33. Camel urine is a medicine
34. Black cumin cures all diseases
35. A housefly's wing cures diseases
36. Scorpion stings are cured by spell
37. Drinking honey cures diarrhoea
38. Water from truffles cures eye diseases
39. Cupping cures unknown diseases
40. Eating seven 'Ajwa dates protects from poisoning
41. The evil eye or nazar causes harm and can be prevented by incantation
42. Mankind's sins darkened the Black Stone
43. Crowing and braying indicate sights of angel and satan
44. Black dogs are devils
45. Monkeys practice stoning adulterers
46. Spinal bone never decays
47. Water is not polluted by dead dogs, menstrual clothes and rotten things
48. Non-Muslims have seven intestines while Muslims have one
49. All women are deficient in intelligence
50. A black spot appears on the heart of a sinning Muslim
51. Graves of true Muslims are widened to 70 cubits and bodies of hypocrites are squeezed
52. Jinns asked the Prophet for the remains of the human food
#####
contradictions in hadith
wikiislam,net/wiki/Contradictions_in_the_Hadith
https://astudyofquran.org/wp/10-the-implications-of-hadith-for-islam/10-3-ways-the-hadith-contradicts-the-quran/
https://asimiqbal2nd.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/contradictions.pdf
https://www.mohammedamin.com/Community_issues/How-reliable-are-hadith.html
https://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/234967648-bukhari-contradictions/
https://islam.stackexchange.com/questions/35221/how-can-seemingly-contradictory-ahadith-still-be-classified-as-sahih
https://qurantalk.gitbook.io/problematic-sahih-hadith/contradictions
http://quranic.org/84/
https://qurantalk.gitbook.io/hadith-refutation/list-of-problematic-sahih-hadith
#26
General Discussions / Qur’anic Gematria (Abjad Numer...
Last post by Ad Sep - April 12, 2025, 01:00:26 AMThis is the correct numerical values for Arabic Letters as deducted from the Complete Qr'an manuscript by Adnaan Alrefaii in his book, "The Grand Miracle"
كتاب المعجزة الكبرى م . عدنان الرفاعى
https://archive.org/details/quranic-gematria-abjad-numerals-for-arabic-letters
كتاب المعجزة الكبرى م . عدنان الرفاعى
https://archive.org/details/quranic-gematria-abjad-numerals-for-arabic-letters
#27
General Discussions / Qur'anic Chakras and the Hidde...
Last post by Ad Sep - April 04, 2025, 11:56:20 PMThe Hidden Sciences of the Qur'anic Nuranic (Light) (disjoined) Letters
الشكرات القرءانية والعلوم الخفية للحروف النورانية
The research needs a collective effort to unveil the total 114 Chakras built in the human body that Allah blew unto it from His Spirit (Rouh).
As a starting point: a very brief article based on the Book The Grand Miracle by Adnaan Alrefai:
for Qur'anic corresponding numerics of Arabic alphabets system (not the old Greek one),
ﻛﺘﺎب-المﻌﺠﺰة اﻟﻜبرى-ﻋﺪنان اﻟﺮﻓﺎﻋﻲ
https://archive.org/details/the-human-q-chakra-system
Salam
فَسَوْفَ يَأتِي الله بِقَوْمٍ يُحِبُّهُمْ[ويُحِبُّونَهُ
Peace & Love (from Allah)
الشكرات القرءانية والعلوم الخفية للحروف النورانية
The research needs a collective effort to unveil the total 114 Chakras built in the human body that Allah blew unto it from His Spirit (Rouh).
As a starting point: a very brief article based on the Book The Grand Miracle by Adnaan Alrefai:
for Qur'anic corresponding numerics of Arabic alphabets system (not the old Greek one),
ﻛﺘﺎب-المﻌﺠﺰة اﻟﻜبرى-ﻋﺪنان اﻟﺮﻓﺎﻋﻲ
https://archive.org/details/the-human-q-chakra-system
Salam
فَسَوْفَ يَأتِي الله بِقَوْمٍ يُحِبُّهُمْ[ويُحِبُّونَهُ
Peace & Love (from Allah)
#28
General Discussions / Re: God Testing Humanity: Crys...
Last post by Ad Sep - April 04, 2025, 11:17:55 PMWho we are?
The Human Q-Chakra System
https://archive.org/search?query=creator%3A%22Adel+E.+Hammad%22
Peace & Love
The Human Q-Chakra System
https://archive.org/search?query=creator%3A%22Adel+E.+Hammad%22
Peace & Love
#29
Discussions / Re: Peace between people
Last post by fireheart47 - March 21, 2025, 02:47:58 AMDear people,
One reason I still feel Christian is the story of Jesus in the Bible, which has been very influential in the formation of my character. Of all the aspects of Jesus in the Gospel stories, the most important seem to be John the Baptist's and later Jesus' emphasis on forgiveness.
As a child, I would do a lot of wrong things, things against the rules and especially the Golden Rule. My parents and extended family would forgive me and show me mercy when they would punish me to teach and guide me. This was especially important when I was sick with psychiatric medication and reacted viscerally to every situation, because I wasn't capable of handling strict criticism. My friends also overlooked my flaws and tendencies. I have been the benefactor of forgiveness.
Forgiveness
Yet, forgiving is hard. Many times I struggle to forgive others. On Instagram I was recommended a video by a person named Guru Singh, and he said:
This revolutionized how I perceived forgiveness, because before I had thought forgiveness was a moral requirement expected of me. Yet, afterwards, I realized how forgiveness can be a mental tool to achieve enlightenment and higher consciousness. For me, this made forgiveness seem powerful and something someone needs to attain to achieve mastery over life. It also aligned with the idea of Jesus as a holy gifted person, who had extraordinary capacities.
However, I believe we can be like Jesus or imitate Jesus, or even better, imitate the characteristics of God (names of God, stories, observations), which I believe Jesus did, and that's what the Bible suggests we try to do (Gospel of Matthew 5:45,Gospel of John 14:6, Ephesians 5:1, 1 Thessalonians 2:14). I've learned we should be careful how we accomplish that, and be open-minded to new ideas in the process of life. Because trying to be good sometimes isn't enough, and we should know what to do or rely on others who know better. Hardship and difficult life experiences can sometimes inform people.
Forgiveness has helped me live with others in peace, and has rewarded me with stable family life, friendships, and opportunities. When something happened against me, I would try my best to let it go and move forward. However, I often struggle to share my frustrations and grow resentful instead of being authentic, because the conflict it creates cannot be easily resolved. I believe this is necessary to a certain degree, yet it can become a problem if one lives a life unsatisfied. All people have flaws, and today in the world, because of systemic issues, we often do not operate at our optimal state of mind and body.
Values and shame
Many people impose these higher values and big great ideas on others, and enforce them, making people feel bad they can't forgive or bad they can't be grateful. This is worse than not forgiving and not being grateful in my opinion. It is like a body builder shaming a frail person, because their muscles can't lift the weight, rather than training them on lighter weights they can achieve and become stronger.
Scriptures
From my studies it seems there are many perspectives on the meaning of forgiveness. In Hebrew, Greek, Syriac, Arabic, and English, the word for "forgiveness" has a unique implication or connotation, which offers wisdom to how it is achieved.
There are many stories of forgiveness in the TaNaKh, such as the Mark of Cain (protect them from vengeance by cursing the avenger a 7-fold curse), Joseph's brothers sold him to slavery (sees how the wrong thing led him to his powerful position and does not seek vengeance, rather gives land to family), and Leviticus law to forgive your neighbor and to not avenge, and many more...
I've learned forgiveness is also an important value in the Qur'an and in Islam, and it is one of the names of Allah.
Please discern truth from falsehood, I make mistakes, I don't know all the answers. I write these messages, because it is what helps me feel adequate, worthy, powerful, and productive, and because I believe it will be beneficial somehow. May Allah guide us.
Can anyone please share more about Qur'an or TaNakh and its similarities to the concepts I've shared in the previous topics?
Sincerely,
Fireheart47
One reason I still feel Christian is the story of Jesus in the Bible, which has been very influential in the formation of my character. Of all the aspects of Jesus in the Gospel stories, the most important seem to be John the Baptist's and later Jesus' emphasis on forgiveness.
As a child, I would do a lot of wrong things, things against the rules and especially the Golden Rule. My parents and extended family would forgive me and show me mercy when they would punish me to teach and guide me. This was especially important when I was sick with psychiatric medication and reacted viscerally to every situation, because I wasn't capable of handling strict criticism. My friends also overlooked my flaws and tendencies. I have been the benefactor of forgiveness.
Forgiveness
Yet, forgiving is hard. Many times I struggle to forgive others. On Instagram I was recommended a video by a person named Guru Singh, and he said:
Quote"Forgiveness doesn't make something permissible, it causes us to detach ourselves from the wrongs of the past, so we can live in the present moment."
This revolutionized how I perceived forgiveness, because before I had thought forgiveness was a moral requirement expected of me. Yet, afterwards, I realized how forgiveness can be a mental tool to achieve enlightenment and higher consciousness. For me, this made forgiveness seem powerful and something someone needs to attain to achieve mastery over life. It also aligned with the idea of Jesus as a holy gifted person, who had extraordinary capacities.
However, I believe we can be like Jesus or imitate Jesus, or even better, imitate the characteristics of God (names of God, stories, observations), which I believe Jesus did, and that's what the Bible suggests we try to do (Gospel of Matthew 5:45,Gospel of John 14:6, Ephesians 5:1, 1 Thessalonians 2:14). I've learned we should be careful how we accomplish that, and be open-minded to new ideas in the process of life. Because trying to be good sometimes isn't enough, and we should know what to do or rely on others who know better. Hardship and difficult life experiences can sometimes inform people.
Forgiveness has helped me live with others in peace, and has rewarded me with stable family life, friendships, and opportunities. When something happened against me, I would try my best to let it go and move forward. However, I often struggle to share my frustrations and grow resentful instead of being authentic, because the conflict it creates cannot be easily resolved. I believe this is necessary to a certain degree, yet it can become a problem if one lives a life unsatisfied. All people have flaws, and today in the world, because of systemic issues, we often do not operate at our optimal state of mind and body.
Values and shame
Many people impose these higher values and big great ideas on others, and enforce them, making people feel bad they can't forgive or bad they can't be grateful. This is worse than not forgiving and not being grateful in my opinion. It is like a body builder shaming a frail person, because their muscles can't lift the weight, rather than training them on lighter weights they can achieve and become stronger.
Scriptures
From my studies it seems there are many perspectives on the meaning of forgiveness. In Hebrew, Greek, Syriac, Arabic, and English, the word for "forgiveness" has a unique implication or connotation, which offers wisdom to how it is achieved.
There are many stories of forgiveness in the TaNaKh, such as the Mark of Cain (protect them from vengeance by cursing the avenger a 7-fold curse), Joseph's brothers sold him to slavery (sees how the wrong thing led him to his powerful position and does not seek vengeance, rather gives land to family), and Leviticus law to forgive your neighbor and to not avenge, and many more...
I've learned forgiveness is also an important value in the Qur'an and in Islam, and it is one of the names of Allah.
Please discern truth from falsehood, I make mistakes, I don't know all the answers. I write these messages, because it is what helps me feel adequate, worthy, powerful, and productive, and because I believe it will be beneficial somehow. May Allah guide us.
Can anyone please share more about Qur'an or TaNakh and its similarities to the concepts I've shared in the previous topics?
Sincerely,
Fireheart47
#30
Discussions / Re: Peace between people
Last post by fireheart47 - March 18, 2025, 01:59:38 PMDear people,
Resist War
A cousin created a poster and it reminds me that it's important to resist war. It wasn't until I studied horticulture, and took courses in plant sciences and soil sciences that I realized how destructive and terrible wars like WW2 were.
Before then I used to think it looked cool and wouldn't think about how destructive it was. Someone with connections to US govt told me once how WW1 was terrible and how inventors and geniuses die in wars, people who could've made the world a better place. WW1 created trauma for many of the problems of WW2, and WW2 polluted environment, left unexploded munitions over Egypt, Europe, and created divisions between similar ethnic groups, which persist today.
Today it frustrates and saddens me that countries fight and destroy people and resources. For example: they pollute the fertile soil chernozem, which took thousands of years and more to form.
War destroys the body and hurts sensitive parts of the body the most, like our minds and our reproductive systems. The military has many other responsibilities not only war. In times of catastrophes, the military helps organize resources and help people.
One of the Bible verses that surprised me the most is Psalms Chapter 46.
It starts off with one of many examples of earthquakes in Bible. I first thought to look for this topic, because of a video I watched about the African tectonic plate on YouTube from black African people (even though I don't agree with everything they say):
https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=ikqbP81gFes
Israel
I believe this tectonically active geography is one of the reasons for the name Israel, which can mean "to contend with God", like how Jacob in the Bible wrestled against a messenger and received that name. There is some linguistic similarity between Jacob and Aqaba. I believe these stories and names may be related to the tectonic fault between the African tectonic plate and Arabian tectonic plate, between the countries of Palestine/Israel and Jordan. The Force is acting against us at times and we must contend with its power over us together. From my perspective, "Israel" is a word with a deeper concept, which describes humanity's survival/cooperation situation in this world.
In the Americas, because of the colonization of the indigenous people, we have lost knowledge of the natural disasters and qualities of the land. In the US state of Washington, they used Native American deity myths to inspire scientific research and discovered ancient earthquakes and tsunamis. In certain regions like Chile and California, where the risk of earthquakes is obvious, they have many experts who've learned to live with these limits.
In Arabic, this word is different and there are many reasons why. In languages it is common for words to change spelling, because of pronunciation, because most words are spoken before they are written. One story, which I believe influenced this difference is the pronunciation of "shibboleth".
Psalms 46:2-3 (BSB, BibleHub)
There are also mentions of earthquakes in the Qur'an, however I do not know them well.
What surprised me the most about this chapter is that I belong to a group that emails me Bible chapters each day and have been thinking about the topic of earthquakes, because of YouTube video. Also I see news of war in Palestine. And in this chapter it talked against war too:
Psalms 46:8-9
Although some translations confusingly misguide (because shields are protective mechanism, see etymology of the word "Panzer"):
The chariots of Egypt were considered the best. This is where the cult of Set was popular with Pharoah kings like Seti and so on. Yet, it was the observer Horus that was important. Believers in Allah were simpler and didn't struggle between worshipping archetypes, although some may place more importance on certain things like sun or moon, we must remind ourselves with our intelligence and our faith what controls and gives the sun it's life giving qualities and what prevents its life taking power, or what put the moon in its place so perfectly in geological time for a sentient species to observe a solar eclipse and to study the corona of its solar system's star. Allah.
Psalm 20:7
In the story of Jeremiah, the prophet Jeremiah tells the powerful people of Jerusalem that they're going to be conquered and need to surrender to survive. The king was so mad they burnt the scroll and they had to make a new one. This is an example of how one city continued to exist, because they allowed people to take it over, because they valued peace over war.
The worldview of Islam is of Dar Al-Islam vs. Dar Al-Harb. I believe if we look at modern maps and statistics, we will see where those regions truly are, and why it became that way.
In Ancient Egypt the desertification of the Nile and conflict caused changes in society's organization and consumption of resources, which spread to Greeks and Romans. This happened before they became Christian, yet it continued even after.
According to the book Environmental Problems of Greeks and Romans, the Mediterranean used to have forests, and the ashes where the pottery was baked show which trees were consumed first and then last ones up in the hills, which contributed to soil erosion.
Between WW1 and WW2 the USA dealt with similar problems and employed people through an organization called CCC, which built the headquarters of our amazing national parks, like our amazing USFS. Because of over consumption of forests, there were forest fires and the Ottoman Empire gave financial aid to US states of Wisconsin and Minnesota. Yet, forests like those of Native American Menominee tribe persisted, because of their management strategies.
With the wisdom of the holy books (TaNaKh, Bible, Qur'an) we can learn to find peace and learn about more things and live a better life, and give a better life to others.
Of course, war is not the only problem in society. In times of peace, women and men are enslaved, people still can hurt each other. Again, the fundamentals of these books guide us that this is wrong, and history shows that people who do this suffer from the consequences of their actions in complicated ways (ex: societal dysfunction from dietary changes due to sugar cane slavery, generational trauma due to sexual exploitation, psychological dysfunction, and faulty systems of healing people based on chemicals, not sympathy, empathy and compassion taught in the Bible).
Many think the Bible is full of war, and that is unfortunately a reality. However, there's a book with a lot of war and genocide called Book of Samuel and this is how it starts. This is what the scribes write before they learn about their warrior ancestors, this is what the students learn:
1 Samuel 2:2-4, a segment of Hannah's Prayer (NIV, BibleGateway)
Peace,
Fireheart47
Resist War
A cousin created a poster and it reminds me that it's important to resist war. It wasn't until I studied horticulture, and took courses in plant sciences and soil sciences that I realized how destructive and terrible wars like WW2 were.
Before then I used to think it looked cool and wouldn't think about how destructive it was. Someone with connections to US govt told me once how WW1 was terrible and how inventors and geniuses die in wars, people who could've made the world a better place. WW1 created trauma for many of the problems of WW2, and WW2 polluted environment, left unexploded munitions over Egypt, Europe, and created divisions between similar ethnic groups, which persist today.
Today it frustrates and saddens me that countries fight and destroy people and resources. For example: they pollute the fertile soil chernozem, which took thousands of years and more to form.
War destroys the body and hurts sensitive parts of the body the most, like our minds and our reproductive systems. The military has many other responsibilities not only war. In times of catastrophes, the military helps organize resources and help people.
One of the Bible verses that surprised me the most is Psalms Chapter 46.
It starts off with one of many examples of earthquakes in Bible. I first thought to look for this topic, because of a video I watched about the African tectonic plate on YouTube from black African people (even though I don't agree with everything they say):
https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=ikqbP81gFes
Israel
I believe this tectonically active geography is one of the reasons for the name Israel, which can mean "to contend with God", like how Jacob in the Bible wrestled against a messenger and received that name. There is some linguistic similarity between Jacob and Aqaba. I believe these stories and names may be related to the tectonic fault between the African tectonic plate and Arabian tectonic plate, between the countries of Palestine/Israel and Jordan. The Force is acting against us at times and we must contend with its power over us together. From my perspective, "Israel" is a word with a deeper concept, which describes humanity's survival/cooperation situation in this world.
In the Americas, because of the colonization of the indigenous people, we have lost knowledge of the natural disasters and qualities of the land. In the US state of Washington, they used Native American deity myths to inspire scientific research and discovered ancient earthquakes and tsunamis. In certain regions like Chile and California, where the risk of earthquakes is obvious, they have many experts who've learned to live with these limits.
In Arabic, this word is different and there are many reasons why. In languages it is common for words to change spelling, because of pronunciation, because most words are spoken before they are written. One story, which I believe influenced this difference is the pronunciation of "shibboleth".
Psalms 46:2-3 (BSB, BibleHub)
Quote2 Therefore we will not fear,
though the earth is transformed
and the mountains are toppled
into the depths of the seas,
3 though their waters roar and foam
and the mountains quake in the surge.
There are also mentions of earthquakes in the Qur'an, however I do not know them well.
What surprised me the most about this chapter is that I belong to a group that emails me Bible chapters each day and have been thinking about the topic of earthquakes, because of YouTube video. Also I see news of war in Palestine. And in this chapter it talked against war too:
Psalms 46:8-9
Quote8 Come, behold the works of the LORD, what desolations he hath made in the earth.
9 He maketh wars to cease unto the end of the earth; he breaketh the bow, and cutteth the spear in sunder; he burneth the chariot in the fire.
Although some translations confusingly misguide (because shields are protective mechanism, see etymology of the word "Panzer"):
QuoteHe burns the shields in the fire.
The chariots of Egypt were considered the best. This is where the cult of Set was popular with Pharoah kings like Seti and so on. Yet, it was the observer Horus that was important. Believers in Allah were simpler and didn't struggle between worshipping archetypes, although some may place more importance on certain things like sun or moon, we must remind ourselves with our intelligence and our faith what controls and gives the sun it's life giving qualities and what prevents its life taking power, or what put the moon in its place so perfectly in geological time for a sentient species to observe a solar eclipse and to study the corona of its solar system's star. Allah.
Psalm 20:7
Quote7 Some trust in chariots and some in horses,
but we trust in the name of the Lord our God.
In the story of Jeremiah, the prophet Jeremiah tells the powerful people of Jerusalem that they're going to be conquered and need to surrender to survive. The king was so mad they burnt the scroll and they had to make a new one. This is an example of how one city continued to exist, because they allowed people to take it over, because they valued peace over war.
The worldview of Islam is of Dar Al-Islam vs. Dar Al-Harb. I believe if we look at modern maps and statistics, we will see where those regions truly are, and why it became that way.
In Ancient Egypt the desertification of the Nile and conflict caused changes in society's organization and consumption of resources, which spread to Greeks and Romans. This happened before they became Christian, yet it continued even after.
According to the book Environmental Problems of Greeks and Romans, the Mediterranean used to have forests, and the ashes where the pottery was baked show which trees were consumed first and then last ones up in the hills, which contributed to soil erosion.
Between WW1 and WW2 the USA dealt with similar problems and employed people through an organization called CCC, which built the headquarters of our amazing national parks, like our amazing USFS. Because of over consumption of forests, there were forest fires and the Ottoman Empire gave financial aid to US states of Wisconsin and Minnesota. Yet, forests like those of Native American Menominee tribe persisted, because of their management strategies.
With the wisdom of the holy books (TaNaKh, Bible, Qur'an) we can learn to find peace and learn about more things and live a better life, and give a better life to others.
Of course, war is not the only problem in society. In times of peace, women and men are enslaved, people still can hurt each other. Again, the fundamentals of these books guide us that this is wrong, and history shows that people who do this suffer from the consequences of their actions in complicated ways (ex: societal dysfunction from dietary changes due to sugar cane slavery, generational trauma due to sexual exploitation, psychological dysfunction, and faulty systems of healing people based on chemicals, not sympathy, empathy and compassion taught in the Bible).
Many think the Bible is full of war, and that is unfortunately a reality. However, there's a book with a lot of war and genocide called Book of Samuel and this is how it starts. This is what the scribes write before they learn about their warrior ancestors, this is what the students learn:
1 Samuel 2:2-4, a segment of Hannah's Prayer (NIV, BibleGateway)
Quote2 "There is no one holy like the Lord;
there is no one besides you;
there is no Rock like our God.
3 "Do not keep talking so proudly
or let your mouth speak such arrogance,
for the Lord is a God who knows,
and by him deeds are weighed.
4 "The bows of the warriors are broken,
but those who stumbled are armed with strength.
Peace,
Fireheart47