Quran is the scripture from God - Without acknowledging Kaliphs

Started by Beyond Tradition, March 14, 2019, 08:44:25 PM

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Beyond Tradition

Dear Brother Joseph ,
Salamun Alai Kum .  I myself  believe and ther is no doubt that Quran is the scripture from God . But for non believers how I can proof when I can not keep traditional belief on Hadith and four Khalips . We know complete Quran as a book furnished by Hazrat Usman .
I hope you can refresh my mind to understand this topic.

Many Muslims says without Hadith we can not understand Quran clearly and they take help of 2nd book where God question to believers/nonbelievers  for accepting other book than Quran . 

Since Mohammed ( PUBH) not present now in 21th century so how we can understand Quran without Hadith ?

I am accepting that there are many contradictory hadith with Quran . But if there had not been any contradiction between hadith and Quran then would there have been logic to accept Hadith to understand Quran when God clearly mentioned " what other book you prefer than Quran" or Quran is the book where everything is in detailed and easy " ?

Please make me clear .

Joseph Islam

Wa alaikum assalam

In my humble view, the argument would present itself as thus:


  • The Quran does not authorise any other source for religious guidance for believers [1]. The burden of proof is with others to prove otherwise, not with you. [2]
  • There is no mention of 'Hazrat Uthman' in the Quran or who was specifically involved in the Quran's compilation. Such stories are found in Ahadith sources canonised centuries later by fallible men. The Quran provides its own testimony as to its compilation. It was arguably, fully canonised and transmitted (both orally and in written form) en masse in the life of the prophet. [3]
  • The Quran is clear guidance and other than its language [Note 1], requires no other source for interpretation / or religious interpretation [4]
  • Even if the Ahadith corpus could be proven 100% authentic it is irrelevant as the question is of 'authority'not authenticity. The Quran provides no authority for another source for religious guidance for believers. Of course, the sources that it does ratify, such as aspects of the previous scriptures are mentioned in the Quran. [5], [6], [7].

I hope this helps, God willing,

Regards,
Joseph


REFERENCES:

[1]  THE QURAN STANDS ALONE AS SOLE RELIGIOUS GUIDANCE
http://quransmessage.com/articles/quran%20sole%20guidance%20FM3.htm
[2]  BURDEN OF PROOF - PROPHET ABRAHAM'S (pbuh) ARGUMENT
http://quransmessage.com/articles/burdenofproof%20FM3.htm
[3] THE COMPILATION OF THE QURAN
http://quransmessage.com/articles/the%20compilation%20of%20the%20quran%20FM3.htm
[4] GOD HAS WARNED BELIEVERS TO ONLY FOLLOW THE QURAN
http://quransmessage.com/articles/god%20has%20warned%20believers%20to%20only%20follow%20the%20quran%20FM3.htm
[5]  'BETWEEN HIS HANDS' OR 'BEFORE IT' (MA BAYNA YADAYHI)
http://quransmessage.com/articles/between%20hands%20or%20before%20it%20FM3.htm
[6]  The TWO GUIDES - THE QURAN AND THE BIBLE
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.islam/posts/300599863410481
[7]  LAMBASTING THE BIBLE
http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=146


[NOTE 1]:

PRESERVATION OF THE LANGUAGE

The protection of the 'dhikr' (reminder) is assured by the Quran (15:9). This implies both the 'words' of the Quran and an appropriate ability to discern its 'meanings'. Otherwise, the 'dhikr' would be meaningless.

Therefore any source, including classical lexicons, works of grammarians, dictionaries or indeed, any Islamic secondary source as defined above which is used to understand the classical Arabic language is implicitly ratified by the Quran (15:9).

The Prophet was tasked with a responsibility to convey the message of the Quran in Arabic to his people. His people had a responsibility en masse to pass the message to mankind (22:78) both in Arabic and to convey its meaning to those who did not understand the language

Source: http://quransmessage.com/articles/hadith%20FM2.htm
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