Salam Walaikum All...
Hope all are fine...well...i have a new doubt...may be it sounds stupid...but...i just wanted to know...earlier i had a argument with my dad...as there is communal tensions in the country...because of...some lunatics...my father thinks that...Quran got corrupted...and some people are using it against other religions etc...India is a secular country...everyone respect others and...there is bond of family between all...but recently...the condition of the country is little bad...since the so called Modi came to the rule...there are troubles from...some Hindu lunatics too...but it has calmed down...but...we found that...some Tawheed Jamath...group is organising...some conferences..and giving hate speech about other religious rituals and all...and it is again creating communal trouble in the country...so..my father thinks that...people must have corrupted the Quran..he said..r u sure that...Quran is as it is...as it was written by Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)...?..i said...yes...it is not corrupted...he says...how do u know..that it is not...I said..i believe...he says...u believe...but what is the guranatee that it was not corrupt...so dear people...is our Quran corrupt?..i do believe in God and Quran...but because of some people..people think that...Quran is propagating hatred and..it is corrupt...i jus want to prove that..it is not corrupt...can any one help please...
This is a good question. Have you heard of the Sana Quran before? It's the oldest Quran to date, and the upper palimpset of the Sana Quran is identical to today's Hafs version. So, no, the Quran is not corrupted.
However, there are minor spelling and numbering differences between Hafs and Warsh Qurans. This does not constitute corruption, because the Quran is a recitation, and spelling differences don't affect its meaning.
Hope this helps :)
Salam Sis mia...
Thank you very much for your clarification...i have some doubt sis...Quran states...that wives of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)...should not marry again after his death...and they are asked to stay at home...and any men should talk behind curtains with them...why was all this mentioned to especially to the wife of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)...but not to the wives of other prophets..?...and it also states that...do not wander in the house of Prophet...and leave quickly...after eating etc etc...and...Prophet was allowed to marry...his adopted son's wife...after her divorce with his adopted son...i m just confused with these things...was it really commanded by Allah?...or people...altered it?...i seek forgiveness from Allah..for doubting Quran...but..m jus confused...hope you guys can help..Thank you...
With best regards,
Anjum...
Salaam Anjum,
The Quran is not corrupted because it was also committed to memories of so many thus guaranteeing that preservation was maintained.
So in that respect the verses as they are now are in tact and unadultered.
You say:
QuoteQuran states...that wives of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)...should not marry again after his death...and they are asked to stay at home...and any men should talk behind curtains with them...why was all this mentioned to especially to the wife of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)...but not to the wives of other prophets..?...and it also states that...do not wander in the house of Prophet...and leave quickly...after eating etc etc...and...Prophet was allowed to marry...his adopted son's wife...after her divorce with his adopted son...i m just confused with these things...was it really commanded by Allah?...or people...altered it?..
If a command was given to the prophet's wives and not others before, it does not mean that it is unfair. God in His ultimate wisdom decided that the wives of the prophet were the
'mothers of the believers' and had a high status that demanded respect.
In regards to leaving their houses, I do not think that is a literal instruction but more of an indication that their duty was to their household and they should focus on that.
I echo what sister TS said :)
The Prophet was allowed to marry his adopted son's wife because there was this idea going around that marrying the divorced wife of an adopted son was an abomination. However, since an adopted son is not one's actual son, this idea was unfounded. Allah corrected it by instructing the Prophet to marry his adopted son's wife as an example to other believers.
Hope this helps :D
Salam sis...Truth Seeker...
I understand your points...as i m reading Quran in english...i have gone through many verses...which were in favor of..Prophet Muhammed (PBUH)...so i thought...it might have been corrupted or interpreted...according to them...that is why..i was confused...can you give me some valid points sister?..so that...i can..prove my dad that...Quran is not corrupted...i just want to show him that..it is not corrupted...:)...i hope you can help me...Thank you very much...
With best regards...
Anjum
Salam Sis Mia...
OH...i didnt knew about that...now...i know..thank you very much sis...:)...Hope you could answer my another question...too...:)...u will find it in this post...:)
Thanks and best regards,
Anjum
Salam :)
Your other question is regarding the way people were instructed to act in the Prophet's house, right? I think these instructions were provided because prophets were very prominent and important and had to be respected. It is mentioned in the Quran that Muhammad had a lot of things to do, and often people would unintentionally linger for too long in his house, but he was too shy to tell them to leave. So these verses were revealed to prevent people from accidentally disrespecting him.
Also, about how the Prophet's wives had to be spoken to from behind a curtain: There was a tradition back then of veiling and quasi-isolating the highest women in society. This tradition existed to keep them away from harm, corruption, and lustful men. The command regarding hijab specifically for Muhammad pbuh's wives was meant mainly for them, but it can serve as a reminder to everyone else that women have to be respected.
The command to "stay in your homes", addressed specifically (again) to his wives, was not meant to place them under house arrest. Please see the below article by Joseph Islam, and scroll down to part 2, which is about this particular verse. Joseph highlights the fact that righteous movement is permissible and encouraged for all female believers.
http://quransmessage.com/articles/aggressive%20(mis)translations%20of%20the%20quran%20to%20enslave%20women%20FM3.htm
Mia :) :) :) ♥
stay at home?
In addition, see:
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9600548.msg250939#msg250939
http://misconceptions-about-islam.com/women-confined-to-houses.htm
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605748.msg341915#msg341915
Salam Wakas,
Is Misconceptions also your own website? I like it a lot. It helped at the beginning when I was struggling to understand certain concepts.
Salam Sis Mia...
Thank you very much for your explanation...:)...i understand now...:)...Thanks...and sis...can you give me a valid point...that...Quran is not corrupted...so that...i can show to my dad....:)...Thank you...
With best regards,
Anjum
Salam Brother Wakas...
Thank you very much for your links...:)...
With best regards,
ANjum
Salam :) ...
I don't know what empirical evidence to offer except for the authenticity of ancient Quranic manuscripts. I can start with the Sana Quran. It has 2 layers of text, an upper layer and a lower layer. The lower layer has minor variants and is not exactly identical to today's Hafs Quran. Many people use this to discredit the Quran and claim it is corrupted. However, the differences between the lower text of the Sana Quran and today's Quran are simply spelling differences that don't change the meaning of the verses. The upper text of the Sana Quran is exactly identical to today's Hafs version. This shows that the Quran as it exists today, was also in existence during Muhammad's time, and that the certified Hafs Quran has not been changed throughout history, aside from spelling. Plus, spelling doesn't count, because the Quran is a recitation and spelling does not affect recitation.
For more information, please see this link. Scroll down to about halfway and read from there.
http://ponderingislam.com/2015/02/05/understanding-the-sanaa-manuscript-find/
Here is an excerpt:
"This will probably come as a surprise to some of you: some revisionist scholars have held that the Qur'an is some sort of composite text originating later than the traditional dating. The easiest way to disprove that something does not exist is to show that object existing! Since we actually do have a Qur'an dating from during this time, we can safely put to rest any fanciful ideas on the origins of the Qur'an."
This basically means that the Quran existed in full form during Muhammad's time and that Muhammad's Quran was identical to ours except for minor spelling/numbering variants.
There are other ancient Quranic manuscripts such as the Tashkent Quran, which is currently, I believe, on display in a museum.
In the interest of academic honesty, it should be noted that early Qurans did not contain diacritical marks. That is because the Quran was revealed to Muhammad by oral transmission, and "honorable scribes" (described in the Quran) wrote it down. The addition of marks does not constitute corruption because these marks do not change the text; they simply make it more legible for people who don't understand Arabic. Anyone who knows Arabic can read the Quran without any diacritical marks, and Qurans without diacritical marks still, obviously, exist. However, marks have been added for clarity.
Sorry, I think I repeated myself a few times. You can tell me if anything was unclear. Hope you can convince your dad :)
Salaam Mia666,
Thank you for your input and trying to assist Anjum. :)
I will say to Anjum though that it is the person saying the Quran is corrupt that should be explaining their position not vice versa.
peace,
Yes I run the misconceptions site but anyone can submit articles for it.
Salam Dear sis Mia...
Thanks a ton for giving me some valid points...i shall sent these to my dad...and hope...for the best...:)...Thanks a lot sis...i m indeed happy for your patience and explanations...:)...Thank you very much dear sister...:)...May God bless us all...:)
With best regards,
Anjum
Salam Sister Truth Seeker...:)...
I Thank you all for helping me...thanks a lot...:)
With best regards,
Anjum
You're welcome :)
BTW, if your dad wants to know about the process of Quranic compilation, Joseph has articles (as usual).
http://quransmessage.com/articles/the%20compilation%20of%20the%20quran%20FM3.htm
(this talks about how the Quran was compiled differently from the hadiths, so it is not corrupted while the hadiths probably are)
http://quransmessage.com/articles/seven%20readings%20FM3.htm
(this talks about how many people believe there are 7 versions of the Quran, but there aren't really)
I hope you can convince him.
If you can't, don't get discouraged. I once spent ages debating Quran-centrism online with some ultra-conservative person who just wouldn't listen. ::)
Salam Sis Mia...
Thank you very much...dear sis...for your help and explanations...i have just sent the explanations to my dad..which you sent sis...hope he wouldnt say something wrong...I jus pray that...:)..
Thanks and best regards,
Anjum
15:9
إِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا الذِّكْرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُ لَحَافِظُونَ
15:9
Surely We have revealed the Reminder and We will most surely be its guardian.
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The Quran can never be corrupted as Allah has Himself told that surely He is its guardian.
Salam,
What did your dad say? :)
Good luck <3
Salam Sardar...
Thank you very much for your quote...:)...
Salam Sis mia...
well...i have sent it..and no response yet...and he is still atheist...:(...
:( Maybe he'll reply soon
O you who have believed, do not enter the houses of the Prophet except when you are permitted for a meal, without awaiting its readiness. But when you are invited, then enter; and when you have eaten, disperse without seeking to remain for conversation. Indeed, that [behavior] was troubling the Prophet, and he is shy of [dismissing] you. But Allah is not shy of the truth. And when you ask [his wives] for something, ask them from behind a partition. That is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not [conceivable or lawful] for you to harm the Messenger of Allah or to marry his wives after him, ever. Indeed, that would be in the sight of Allah an enormity. Surat Al-Ahzab 33:53
Salam Deathless Light...
Welcome to the forum..:)..May God guide you to the right path...:)...
Regards,
Anjum