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I'd like to retract these statements: (and views I expressed elsewhere that may have been inaccurate/incorrect)

It is SHIRK in my understanding! (Seeking help from the doctor when God is not helping!)

using / suggesting any other medicine is,
Ignoring God's words (The Creator) and seeking alternative ways which are found by people / scientists/ doctors (just creatures).

Healing comes from God, whether it occurs through the use of medicine or other means.

Once again, I apologize for all my inappropriate or disrespectful words and actions.
peace,

Recently noticed these verses:

And to God prostrates what (is) in the skies/space and what (is) in the earth - from the creatures as well as the angels/الملئكة, and they are not being arrogant. They fear their Lord from above them, and they do what they are commanded. (16:49-50)

One argument is that these phrases are about invoking God's name before eating, not before the animals are slaughtered.

Please note the verb form used,
6:121 وَلَا تَأْكُلُوا /And do not eat (2nd person masculine plural)
لَمْ يُذْكَرِ /has not been remembered/mentioned (3rd person masculine singular)

Please see:
https://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=2639.msg14932#msg14932

To conclude, I interpret verses 6:118, 119, 121, etc. refer to an obligation to acknowledge, ideally, from before the slaughtering takes place, (being grateful for providing the animal as sustenance 22:28, 34, 36, see also 22:40, 24:36, 76:25 etc.)

For concerns about animal welfare and ethical conduct, there are numerous verses that we can relate to,
Examples:
Who created the death/lifelessness and the life to test you which of you is better in deeds (67:2)
..so race/surpass each other in doing good deeds (2:148, 5:48)
..So whoever is expecting his Lord's meeting, so he makes/does righteous deeds (18:110)
And there is not a creature on the earth, nor a bird that flies with its wings, except they belong to nations like you belong. We did not leave anything out of the record; then to their Lord they will be gathered. (6:38)
..like that We manipulated/subjugated it for you, so that you may be grateful (22:36)

[remembrance/bear in mind]

(many traditional Qur'an translators translated 6: 118, 119 & 121 incorrectly). Qur'an used the root dh-k-r in 6: 118, 119 & 121 which basically means remembrance/bear in mind

peace Duster, and all,

Although "to remember, bear in mind," etc., seems to be the basic meaning, I'm unsure about the exact implications of "dh-k-r" in the above verses, as its meaning can vary depending on the context (e.g., 21:36, 21:60, etc.). Ultimately, it's up to the believer to determine the best fitting interpretation for 6:118,119, & 121 and decide on halal certification/labels.

The verses 6:118,119 &121 does not mention slaughtering specifically, so

'on which God's name has been remembered' may also mean Fair Treatment throughout farming as well as during slaughtering. [God's name-The Merciful, so 'remembering Gods name' may refer to kind treatment to animals?]

Also, I think the verses do not deal with /address manipulation and exploitation of animals (making unfair/unnatural use of).

@everyone, peace,

While I haven't been super active on this forum, I did participate in some discussions over the past few years. As I've been thinking about online interactions, I want to take a proactive approach. If, at any point during my participation, I said or did anything that was inappropriate or disrespectful, I sincerely apologize.
My intention has always been to contribute positively to the forum and I look forward to continuing to learn and grow here.
Best regards,

Peace all,

I reached a conclusion that shahr = lunar month.
https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611917.0

[5:77-86, 2:38-39]

I already shared my view regarding the verses like 2:62, 5:69 etc.

And I suggest you to read the verses 5:77-86, 2:38-39 etc. if you are still in doubt.

2:106
"We do not abrogate/abolish/erase/nullify from a sign/verse/evidence, or We make it forgotten, (except that) We
come/bring with better than it, or similar/equal/alike to it. Do you not know that God (is) on every thing powerful/capable."

(also see 2:105)

Therefore, it doesn't matter for me, whether you believe or not. Just shared my thoughts.

salaam/peace

[are not guided by God]

peace Hamzeh,

It doesn't matter what was the qibla before or what is now. It's clear from the verse that those who do not follow the prophet's qibla are not guided by God.

The desires in verse 2:145 would not be their qibla...

Not acceptable. The verse is clear.

[DO NOT FOLLOW]

THOSE WHO DO NOT FOLLOW THE MESSENGER ARE NOT GUIDED BY GOD

e.g. Those who do not follow the qibla of the prophet (2:143), they follow their desires (2:145)

2:143
...And We did not make the qibla that you were on it except that We may know who is following the messenger from those who will turn on their two heels. It was a great thing indeed except for those whom God had guided...

God's message of truth has always been the same -2:136,140, 2:38,39 5:68, 3:19, 48:28 etc.

salaam

[realising/believing]

And do not misunderstand the FAITH of traditional Muslims. They (not all) are following the commands like 5:6 because they born in a traditional Muslim family. The real FAITH is when one (from any religion) realising the truth and accepting the truth. So, as he realising/believing in the Qur'an, he follows the commands like 5:6. (O you who believe...)

I found some illogical claim which says that believers of God's revelation /The Book(2:2)/The Qur'an doesn't necessarily need to obey/follow the command 'O you who believe' (e.g. 5:6).
Just to clarify that I posted it. Perhaps they may think.

[realising/believing]

And do not misunderstand the FAITH of traditional Muslims. They (not all) are following the commands like 5:6 because they born in a traditional Muslim family. The real FAITH is when one (from any religion) realising the truth and accepting the truth. So, as he realising/believing in the Qur'an, he follows the commands like 5:6. (O you who believe...)

[For every nation]

I forgot to mention 22:67 (one of the misinterpreted verse)

22:67 For every nation We made a ritual or method of worship they are practicing the rituals or methods of worship, so they do not dispute/quarrel with you in the matter/affair, And call upon your Lord, for you are on a guidance which is straight.

22:68 And if they argued/disputed with you, then say: "God is fully aware of what you make/do."

22:69 "God judges/rules between you (on) the Resurrection Day, in what you were in it differing/disagreeing."

salaam

[completely]

RESPONSE 1:

As referenced earlier, in verse (5:48), it is pointed out that each of us (in this case the Abrahamic faiths) has been assigned their own law (shir'atan) and method (wa minhajan)...

You can forget/ignore/hide verses in your post, but you can't make readers blind.
Read 5:48 & 49 carefully and completely. Consider this reply to you as my last response.

salaam