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[we do know that prophets were tested quite thoroughly as an example ayoob, jonah even moses and Joseph.Even good people are tested but]

...we do know that prophets were tested quite thoroughly as an example ayoob, jonah even moses and Joseph.
Even good people are tested but...

Salaam miracle114 and All

[Al Qur'an 16:61] "And if Allah punishes/takes the people because of their injustice/oppression, He would not have left on it from an animal/creature, and but He delays them to a named/identified term/time, so if their term/time came, they do not delay/lag behind an hour, and they do not advance/precede".

[Al Qur'an 35:45] "And if Allah punishes/takes the people because of what they earned/acquired/won, He would not have left on its back/surface/top from an animal/creature, and but He delays them to a named/identified term/time, so if their term/time came, so then Allah was/is with His worshippers/slaves seeing/knowing/understanding".

So no man is without sin (covers Prophets, Messengers and Righteous).

["And what struck/hit you from a disaster so (it is) because (of) what your hands gathered/acquired, and He forgives/pardons on much."]

Assalaamu 'alaikum All,

Can we kill animals/birds/pests/rodents/insects etc. when they attack us/our cultivation ?.
Qur'an says "And what struck/hit you from a disaster so (it is) because (of) what your hands gathered/acquired, and He forgives/pardons on much." (42:30)
All organisms helps in the survival of human beings directly or indirectly by stabilizing the ecosystem. So ultimately they all are created to help us only (in my knowledge), hence is it right/just to kill/destroy them ?

[Al Qur'an 7:133] "So We sent on them the flood and the locusts and the lice and the frogs and the blood (as) signs manifest, so they became arrogant, and they were a nation (of) criminals/sinners".

Suppose this nation tried to kill/destroy all these pests/insects with the all available pesticides/insecticides, is it the proper solution? Even if they destroyed all the pests/insects then is Allah not able to send on them more attacking and dangerous creatures/vermin which can cause more destruction to human (wrong doers)/to their crops?.

[Physical fitness]

My belief is that, honey mainly has the purpose of giving a physical sensation or physical awareness just like when we are washing ourselves with water/soil for purification prior to Swalah, the healing/cure always depends on the repentance and the purity of one's mind. And I don't know about other foods. I also believe that no any man made medicines can cure the root cause of any disease.

In brief my understanding is,
Physical fitness is depends on hormonal/chemical/neurotransmitter equilibrium which strongly depends on one's mental state/attitude/conscientiousness/righteousness.

Yes, my intention covers both the opinions of yours + I believe that the severity of trials are depends on one's past deeds.

[that Allah was/is often forgiving/pardoning, forgiving"]

Salaam miracle114 and All,

The Qur'an uses the root M-R-D' (diseased/sick) in so many verses, but why the Qur'an did not use anywhere in it a term for Doctor/medical practitioner? And the verse (4:43) where root M-R-D' used, ends with "...that Allah was/is often forgiving/pardoning, forgiving". Also the verse 73:20.

About healing,

[Al Qur'an 26:80] "And if I became sick/diseased, so He cures/heals me"
[Al Qur'an 16:69] "Then eat from all the fruits, so enter/pass your Lord's roads/paths manipulated/dangled low, from its bellies/insides emerges/appears a drink its colours (are) different, in it (is) a cure/healing for the people; that in that (is) an evidence/sign to a nation thinking".

To compare with 8:25,
[Al Qur'an 6:47] Say: "Have you seen, if Allah's torture came to you suddenly or publicly/loudly, will any be destroyed except the nation the unjust/oppressors?"

[hasten/move quickly to God's reminder, and leave the selling/trading]

peace,

With regard to juma, please see the only verse to relate this to salat: 62:9

With regard to zuhr, there is no verse that occurs relating this to salat. Unless you're referring to this word in 24:58
http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=Zhr#(24:58:23)


In my view, the overwhelming evidence in Quran points to a minimum of two daily salat for the mumineen, in the morning/fajr and evening/isha, with an optional night vigil, none for zuhr.

Assalaamu 'alaikum All

I don't wish to initiate any debate here, but today I saw this post so I just want to share what I know regarding the post.

Brother Wakas,
How we can avoid the midday Prayer when considering the verses 62:9-10, 17:12, 10:67

[Al Qur'an 62:9] "You, you those who believed, if (it) was called for/to the Prayer from the Friday's/gathering's day/time, so hasten/move quickly to God's reminder, and leave the selling/trading, that (is) best for you, if you were knowing.
[Al Qur'an 62:10] "So if the Prayer were accomplished/ended, so spread/spread out in the Earth/land, and ask/wish/desire from God's grace/favour/bounty, and remember God much, maybe/perhaps you succeed/win."

These verses establishes that the Friday's/gathering's day prayer is one that all Believers must go to regardless of whether they may lose profit or not. And it is also clear that the time before and after this Prayer is business/ trading time.

And the Qur'an indicates that trading time is day time, and night is for rest.

[Al Qur'an 17:12] "And We made/put the night and the daytime (as) two signs/evidences, so We wiped out/erased/eliminated the night's sign/evidence, and We made/put the daytime's sign/evidence manifest/clearly visible, to wish/desire grace/favour/bounty from your Lord, and to know the years' number, and the counting/calculating, and every thing We detailed/explained it detailing/explaining"
[Al Qur'an 10:67] "He is who made/created for you the night to be tranquil/quiet in it, and the daytime to see, that in that (are) evidences/signs to a nation hearing/listening."

So how can you correlate the Prayer in 62:9-10 with Fajr or 'Isha Prayer ?

Thank you Duster, After finding this article only I started the analysis on gh-n-m , Thank you brother Joseph

[sheep and goats]

Dear All,
Assalaamu 'Alaikum.

I would like to share some of my understanding about Zakat from the Qur'an.

[Al Qur'an 20:18] He said: "It is my stick/cane, I lean on/support myself on it, and I hit/move/shake with it on my sheep and goats, and for me in it others needs/purposes."

Here, the root gh-n-m denotes sheeps and goats.
Since, in the ancient times, cultivation or livestock farming were the major sources of income, gh-n-m may denote the property/income.

So, the verse 8:41 can be an explanation for the Zakat that an individual have to pay (Since same root gh-n-m used there)

[Al Qur'an 8:41] "And know that what you acquired/ gained/ obtained, from a thing, that to God its fifth and to the messenger and (those) of the relations/near, and the orphans, and the poorest of poor/poor oppressed, and the traveler/stranded traveler... "

Many exegetes interpret as, the root gh-n-m denotes booty/spoils of war, but The Quran itself declared that the spoils from war belonged entirely to Allah and the messenger.
[Al Qur'an 8:1] " They ask/question you about the spoils/gifts (n-f-l), Say: "The spoils/gifts (are) to God and the messenger..." [59:6&7 further explanation]

So 20% from any gain of an individual is for the society (for the mentioned categories) and the spoils of war is also for the society (for the mentioned categories).
And Allah knows best.

I think am not knowledgeable for the previous reply Taking back my post

And remember when you are killing an animal/ insect etc. you are destroying a living being, which is created by God and you can't make it alive again.

["And what struck/hit you from a disaster so (it is) because (of) what your hands gathered/acquired]

Assalaamu 'alaikum All,

Brother good logic,
I believe that committing a sin by human will happen only after reaching an age of moral maturity or the ability to judge between right and wrong.
And regarding dangerous insects/animals or the animals/insects which spread incurable diseases, I believe such troubles/dangers are happening as a trial punishment from God, so killing of such animals/insects are not the proper solution.
"And what struck/hit you from a disaster so (it is) because (of) what your hands gathered/acquired..."(42:30, 30:36, 30:41, 5:49, 4:79).

[if we deserve]

Assalaamu 'alaikum,

We all are created by God. I believe THE MERCIFUL will not allow a single harm to any of His creation even at an atomic level unjustly. So any harm that happen with us is only because of our sins, hence in my humble opinion the only solution to avoid such dangerous situations is seeking forgiveness from God, and if any such situation is happening with us, we should do our best to solve it/to escape from it, except killing God's creations, In addition to seeking help from our Lord, if we deserve His help at that time, definitely He will save us, whatever the situation is.
I do not find any Qur'anic verse which supports such killing of animals/birds/insects or any of God's creation.

["And what struck/hit you from a disaster so (it is) because (of) what your hands gathered/acquired, and He forgives/pardons on much."]

Assalaamu 'alaikum All,

Can we kill animals/birds/pests/rodents/insects etc. when they attack us/our cultivation ?.
Qur'an says "And what struck/hit you from a disaster so (it is) because (of) what your hands gathered/acquired, and He forgives/pardons on much." (42:30)
All organisms helps in the survival of human beings directly or indirectly by stabilizing the ecosystem. So ultimately they all are created to help us only (in my knowledge), hence is it right/just to kill/destroy them ?

[Zakat]

Asalamu 3alykum

Dear brother Good logic

Thanks for sharing your kind comments

I don't mean to intrude on this discussion, but I thought I would bring it up incase you were not aware and to show why its important to translate the terms correctly and not use interpolations when it comes to translations.


You had translated verse 3:134 by using the word "Zakat" for the word "Yunfiqoona", which I find is a unwarranted translation.

You translation

"[Qoran 3:134] who give Zakat during the good times, as well as the bad times. They are suppressors of anger, and pardoners of the people. God loves the charitable."

"zakat" is not really a voluntary task in my humble opinion rather "zakat" is duty and not voluntary and must be paid by those who make a profit.

However profits do vary in ones life but it does not matter they still need to be paid. So interpreting "Allatheena yunfiqoona fee alssarrai waalddarrai" as you did would be problematic when the Quran commands "Zakat" to be paid at all times.

It would be better translated as:

3:134 "Those who spend (of that which Allah hath given them) in ease and in adversity, those who control their wrath and are forgiving toward mankind; Allah loveth the good;"

The meaning would possibly mean those who after paying their "zakat" whether they have lots of money left over(good times in ease) or not that much money left over (adversity times) still spend from what is left.

Those are my thoughts.

Please see related article


WHAT IS THE CONCEPT OF ZAKAT FROM THE QURAN?
http://quransmessage.com/articles/zakah%20FM3.htm

Assalaamu 'alaikum All

Brother Hamzeh,
I respectfully find no Quranic warrant for the above interpretation.

[Al Qur'an' 19:31] "And He made me blessed, wherever I was/am, and He directed/commanded me with the Prayer and the Zakat as long as I continued/lasted alive."

Here, The Qur'an gives same importance to Zakat like Swalah. Believeres are commanded to Pray at the prescribed times if they are alive, it doesn't matter in what circumstance/situation they are, whether they are diseased or on a journey or even in a fear of attack.
Eventhough the verse tells that the Prophet Jesus is 'blessed' wherever he is, Still, in my humble opinion Believers are obliged to pay Zakat irrespective of their 'profit' condition.