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#21
Discussions / Re: We call our Lord, The Merc...
Last post by Mohammed - July 25, 2024, 05:29:24 PMQuote from: Mohammed on April 25, 2019, 05:01:45 PM
(many traditional Qur'an translators translated 6: 118, 119 & 121 incorrectly). Qur'an used the root dh-k-r in 6: 118, 119 & 121 which basically means remembrance/bear in mind
peace Duster, and all,
Although "to remember, bear in mind," etc., seems to be the basic meaning, I'm unsure about the exact implications of "dh-k-r" in the above verses, as its meaning can vary depending on the context (e.g., 21:36, 21:60, etc.). Ultimately, it's up to the believer to determine the best fitting interpretation for 6:118,119, & 121 and decide on halal certification/labels.
Quote from: Mohammed on April 25, 2019, 01:47:31 PM
The verses 6:118,119 &121 does not mention slaughtering specifically, so
'on which God's name has been remembered' may also mean Fair Treatment throughout farming as well as during slaughtering. [God's name-The Merciful, so 'remembering Gods name' may refer to kind treatment to animals?]
Also, I think the verses do not deal with /address manipulation and exploitation of animals (making unfair/unnatural use of).
@everyone, peace,
While I haven't been super active on this forum, I did participate in some discussions over the past few years. As I've been thinking about online interactions, I want to take a proactive approach. If, at any point during my participation, I said or did anything that was inappropriate or disrespectful, I sincerely apologize.
My intention has always been to contribute positively to the forum and I look forward to continuing to learn and grow here.
Best regards,
#22
Discussions / New article: The book and the ...
Last post by Wakas - July 11, 2024, 08:15:35 PMpeace all,
https://mypercept.co.uk/articles/kitab-hikma.html
The book and the wisdom (al kitab wa al hikma) argument: Traditionalist/Sunni Islam Vs Quran alone
The argument goes like this: The Quran tells us prophet Muhammad was given the book (al kitab) and the wisdom (al hikma) and they say "al kitab" is The Quran and "al hikma" is separated by "wa" (and) so must be something else, which they take to mean the prophet's sunna. Thus using this as a Quranic justification for following the prophet's sunna, which they claim is documented in traditions (e.g. hadith), thus making those traditions a valid source of law.
There are a number of assumptions in this argument:
1) "al kitab" means the book
2) the kitab/book refers to The Quran
3) the conjunction "wa" (and) means a separate and distinct thing
4) "al hikma" refers to prophet Muhammad's sunna
5) this sunna is preserved/documented accurately
6) this documented sunna is authoritative i.e. must be obeyed
This article will address points 1-4.
https://mypercept.co.uk/articles/kitab-hikma.html
Click on link for full article. Feedback welcome, especially corrections.
https://mypercept.co.uk/articles/kitab-hikma.html
The book and the wisdom (al kitab wa al hikma) argument: Traditionalist/Sunni Islam Vs Quran alone
The argument goes like this: The Quran tells us prophet Muhammad was given the book (al kitab) and the wisdom (al hikma) and they say "al kitab" is The Quran and "al hikma" is separated by "wa" (and) so must be something else, which they take to mean the prophet's sunna. Thus using this as a Quranic justification for following the prophet's sunna, which they claim is documented in traditions (e.g. hadith), thus making those traditions a valid source of law.
There are a number of assumptions in this argument:
1) "al kitab" means the book
2) the kitab/book refers to The Quran
3) the conjunction "wa" (and) means a separate and distinct thing
4) "al hikma" refers to prophet Muhammad's sunna
5) this sunna is preserved/documented accurately
6) this documented sunna is authoritative i.e. must be obeyed
This article will address points 1-4.
https://mypercept.co.uk/articles/kitab-hikma.html
Click on link for full article. Feedback welcome, especially corrections.
#23
General Discussions / sura 4:43
Last post by Omar bin Mario - July 06, 2024, 02:15:01 PMAssalamu Alaykum, I've a question about the sura 4:43.
It appears to me that the sura is divided in 2 parts:
the first part is generic and adress men and women
O you who believe! Approach not As-Salat (the prayer) when you are in a drunken state until you know (the meaning) of what you utter, nor when you are in a state of Janaba, (i.e. in a state of sexual impurity and have not yet taken a bath) except when travelling on the road (without enough water, or just passing through a mosque), till you wash your whole body
And the second part adress only men or I'm mistaken?
And if you are ill, or on a journey, or one of you comes after answering the call of nature, or you have been in contact with women (by sexual relations) and you find no water, perform Tayammum with clean earth and rub therewith your faces and hands (Tayammum). Truly, Allah is Ever Oft-Pardoning, Oft-Forgiving.
In the second part, it looks like if the order to perform tayammum in case of sexual relationship is directed to men only.
Could you please help me understand it?
#24
General Discussions / Re: Prophet Abraham asked to s...
Last post by Wakas - June 16, 2024, 07:48:55 PMpeace Athman,
Apologies I only read your post today.
https://mypercept.co.uk/articles/Quran-Abraham-sacrifice-son.html
Re: 3-9
http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/Abraham-Sacrifice-Questions.html
Any reason you did not answer the other Qs?
Your use of "without warrant" is another way of saying "in my subjective opinion". I prefer evidenced examples from Quran to minimise subjectivity.
Your reply to Q3
You provide no Quranic example.
Re: Q4
It seems you understood perfectly. Please reconcile the submissive V coercive. Currently there is a conflict in the common view.
Re: Q5
57:27 uses the partitive, clearly implying some were true believers but most were not. In other words, my understanding would be God did not reward most because most innovated. So this does not qualify as an example.
Re: Q6
You claim in 37:103 X precedes Y but it uses conjunction "wa" / and. Could easily be argued it is simultaneous/clarifying, i.e. Quran is explaining what he did when he/they submitted. Of course this really only works for my view, not so for the common position.
Re: Q7
17:107 is taken by some(most?) as an idiom so it is not a good example. If you are claiming it is literal then do you prostrate upon the chin when you prostrate? If you say no then you will be going against your own understanding and a clear/literal example of the righteous in Quran. If you say yes you will likely contradict your understanding of 48:27. It seems you could get stuck.
Please see verbal idioms of Quran by mustansir mir, or lane's lexicon.
Re: Q8
So you take it as a "spiritual sacrifice" here, i.e. non-literal sacrifice? I assumed you only go with what dictionaries say which means this word is only used for literal physical sacrifice.
Even so it still doesn't quite fit "exchanged/ransomed him/son with a mighty spiritual sacrifice" because he wasn't really exchanged, he's still there with him/Abraham, together.
Re: Q9
You have no other Quranic example.
Apologies for the brevity of reply.
Apologies I only read your post today.
https://mypercept.co.uk/articles/Quran-Abraham-sacrifice-son.html
Re: 3-9
http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/Abraham-Sacrifice-Questions.html
Any reason you did not answer the other Qs?
Your use of "without warrant" is another way of saying "in my subjective opinion". I prefer evidenced examples from Quran to minimise subjectivity.
Your reply to Q3
You provide no Quranic example.
Re: Q4
It seems you understood perfectly. Please reconcile the submissive V coercive. Currently there is a conflict in the common view.
Re: Q5
57:27 uses the partitive, clearly implying some were true believers but most were not. In other words, my understanding would be God did not reward most because most innovated. So this does not qualify as an example.
Re: Q6
You claim in 37:103 X precedes Y but it uses conjunction "wa" / and. Could easily be argued it is simultaneous/clarifying, i.e. Quran is explaining what he did when he/they submitted. Of course this really only works for my view, not so for the common position.
Re: Q7
17:107 is taken by some(most?) as an idiom so it is not a good example. If you are claiming it is literal then do you prostrate upon the chin when you prostrate? If you say no then you will be going against your own understanding and a clear/literal example of the righteous in Quran. If you say yes you will likely contradict your understanding of 48:27. It seems you could get stuck.
Please see verbal idioms of Quran by mustansir mir, or lane's lexicon.
Re: Q8
So you take it as a "spiritual sacrifice" here, i.e. non-literal sacrifice? I assumed you only go with what dictionaries say which means this word is only used for literal physical sacrifice.
Even so it still doesn't quite fit "exchanged/ransomed him/son with a mighty spiritual sacrifice" because he wasn't really exchanged, he's still there with him/Abraham, together.
Re: Q9
You have no other Quranic example.
Apologies for the brevity of reply.
#25
General Discussions / Re: Question for Brother Josep...
Last post by Wakas - May 16, 2024, 01:37:51 AMAnother person, or audience, or person trying to come up with it, would decide.
Why is it logically flawed?
Why is it logically flawed?
#26
General Discussions / Re: 33:59 indifference to jari...
Last post by Wakas - May 16, 2024, 01:33:41 AMSee:
https://misconceptions-about-islam.com/misconception.php?id=34
There is nothing to stop anyone adopting such a modification.
However the verses seem to be suggesting a specific targeting of believing women was occurring, when believers are not in the majority in this location. The hypocrites, those with disease in their hearts, and those who spread lies were likely targeting believing women then making out they did not know they were from such a group, so these verses discuss a way to be recognised as such, thus giving an ultimatum to expose the hypocrites.
https://misconceptions-about-islam.com/misconception.php?id=34
There is nothing to stop anyone adopting such a modification.
However the verses seem to be suggesting a specific targeting of believing women was occurring, when believers are not in the majority in this location. The hypocrites, those with disease in their hearts, and those who spread lies were likely targeting believing women then making out they did not know they were from such a group, so these verses discuss a way to be recognised as such, thus giving an ultimatum to expose the hypocrites.
#27
General Discussions / Re: Question for Brother Josep...
Last post by relearning - May 13, 2024, 10:33:18 PMeven if they came with a script to match who would decide it is better or lesser than quran? the argument is logically flawed.
#28
General Discussions / 33:59 indifference to jariya a...
Last post by relearning - May 13, 2024, 10:15:21 PM33:59 O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.
so it aims to protect prophet's wives, daughters and women believers (free not jariya or slaves). it openly says this is to protect them from abuse by letting the perpetrators to recognize them. The quran doesnt focus on perpetruators or the vicious crime they are doing by targeting jariyas and other women. It doesnt say protect all women against those perpetruators but instead follow a sign so your women and believer free women will not be targeted. This directive serves to protect only these women, rather than addressing the perpetrators or their acts of targeting non-believing free women or jariyas muslim or none muslim. Why does the instruction focus on adopting a sign to prevent targeting specific groups of women, rather than safeguarding all women against such perpetrators?
so it aims to protect prophet's wives, daughters and women believers (free not jariya or slaves). it openly says this is to protect them from abuse by letting the perpetrators to recognize them. The quran doesnt focus on perpetruators or the vicious crime they are doing by targeting jariyas and other women. It doesnt say protect all women against those perpetruators but instead follow a sign so your women and believer free women will not be targeted. This directive serves to protect only these women, rather than addressing the perpetrators or their acts of targeting non-believing free women or jariyas muslim or none muslim. Why does the instruction focus on adopting a sign to prevent targeting specific groups of women, rather than safeguarding all women against such perpetrators?
#29
General Discussions / Re: The meaning(s) of the lett...
Last post by Wakas - May 02, 2024, 03:41:42 PMSorry, didn't see your post. I dont have resources but whatever claims are made i.e. 21 meanings of wa, then it should be backed up by examples.
Here are two more examples of clarifying, or making specific from a general, use of wa, 33:7, 2:98
Here are two more examples of clarifying, or making specific from a general, use of wa, 33:7, 2:98
#30
Islamic Duties / Re: When is Ramadan, and when ...
Last post by Wakas - March 19, 2024, 12:35:20 AMpeace m114,
I only saw your questions just now. You bring up some interesting points. I will need to ponder over this and study it more to see how it comes together.
I only saw your questions just now. You bring up some interesting points. I will need to ponder over this and study it more to see how it comes together.