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#91

General Discussions / Fractions of inheritance addin...

Last post by Sabir Mahmud - October 01, 2024, 06:42:20 PM

Salamun Alaikum,

I have questions about the inheritance law mentioned in 4:11 and 4:12. I know these laws are effective after completing the will and paying the debts.

The problem is, while distributing the wealth, many cases appear when the sum of the fractions exceeds 1. For example: say, a man died and he has 3 daughters and a wife and both parents alive.

Now, according to 4:11 and 4:12, the fractions of property they receive are:
3 daughters = 2/3
Father = 1/6
Mother = 1/6
Wife = 1/8

If we take them to common denominator,
2/3 = 16/24
1/6 = 4/24
1/6 = 4/24
1/8 = 3/24
Total = 16/24 + 4/24 + 4/24 + 3/24 = 27/24

Which is greater than 1! Then, how are we supposed to distribute the remnant wealth?

For such cases traditional scholars invented a method, called the law of 'Awl'. According to this law, in such cases some portion of property from each receiver's part is reduced proportionally to cover up the shortage.

But, the law of 'Awl' is not mentioned in the quran. Critics of islam are also not convinced by the law of 'awl'. They say, it's a man made law to correct God's mistake!

Can someone please give another interpretation of 4:11 and 4:12 so that the sum of the fractions never exceeds 1?

#92

General Discussions / Re: *** NEW YOUTUBE CHANNEL LA...

Last post by Hamzeh - September 30, 2024, 01:12:10 PM

Assalamu 3alykum

May peace be upon you as well. Congratulations on the new channel

Looking forward to it Insha'Allah.

Salam

#93

General Discussions / *** NEW YOUTUBE CHANNEL LAUNCH...

Last post by Joseph Islam - September 21, 2024, 10:34:27 PM

Dear All,

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Regards,
Joseph

#94

Discussions / *** NEW YOUTUBE CHANNEL LAUNCH...

Last post by Joseph Islam - September 21, 2024, 10:31:02 PM

Dear All,

May Peace be upon you

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Regards,
Joseph

#95

Women / Re: Divorce

Last post by Wakas - September 17, 2024, 10:22:49 PM

What a refusal to answer the question.

Wrong. I already answered it.

She was clearly asking if she would have to return the mahr if she wanted to divorce from an abusive husband. Your answer is yes, so why not just say that? In your interpretation, she has to return her marriage gift to an abusive husband so she is able to get out of her marriage.

Wrong again. Rather than claiming what my position is why not provide a quote from me which proves what you claim is my position is actually my position.

Now they have to suffer financially, birth babies, take care of said babies (including the manchild husband), her in-laws, etc, and STILL return the mahr? Imagine doing all that and you still have to give more.
Yet there is no such stipulation on the husband to give anything to his ex-wife who is far more likely to suffer as a result and is far more likely to be stuck with children, and far more likely to suffer societal wrath, whether she initiates the divorce or not.

Wrong again. Where in Quran does it say the wife gets stuck with the children / father does not need to provide for them / husband does not provide anything to ex-wife etc.

The real question in the context of this discussion should be: if one wants to follow the more Western model of divorce with both being able to initiate divorce, is that fine in Islam or not?

I cannot answer for the religion of "Islam" with a capital "I". If you are referring to Quran based islam then I already answered this.

#96

Women / Re: Divorce

Last post by AQL - September 14, 2024, 01:15:21 AM

1) for Khula or ransoming out of the marriage does wife need the husbands agreement? If she does then what happens when the husband forces her to stay when she doesn't want to?

Using what I wrote above what is your response to this? i.e. what do you think the answer(s) could be.


Thanks.

What a refusal to answer the question.

She was clearly asking if she would have to return the mahr if she wanted to divorce from an abusive husband. Your answer is yes, so why not just say that? In your interpretation, she has to return her marriage gift to an abusive husband so she is able to get out of her marriage. This is a trap.

And I agree with her. It is very unfair. It is unfair anyway but especially in countries where women don't even basic rights. This would be another way to trap them. They are often already financially dependent. Now they have to suffer financially, birth babies, take care of said babies (including the manchild husband), her in-laws, etc, and STILL return the mahr? Imagine doing all that and you still have to give more.
Yet there is no such stipulation on the husband to give anything to his ex-wife who is far more likely to suffer as a result and is far more likely to be stuck with children, and far more likely to suffer societal wrath, whether she initiates the divorce or not.

The real question in the context of this discussion should be: if one wants to follow the more Western model of divorce with both being able to initiate divorce, is that fine in Islam or not?

#97

Discussions / Re: We call our Lord, The Merc...

Last post by Mohammed - August 26, 2024, 04:35:51 PM

One argument is that these phrases are about invoking God's name before eating, not before the animals are slaughtered.

Please note the verb form used,
6:121 وَلَا تَأْكُلُوا /And do not eat (2nd person masculine plural)
لَمْ يُذْكَرِ /has not been remembered/mentioned (3rd person masculine singular)

#98

Islamic Duties / Re: the calendar system accord...

Last post by Huda - August 13, 2024, 09:47:55 PM

Good post on the calendar system.
https://thesurahrehman.com

#99

Islamic Duties / Benefits of Surah Rahman

Last post by Huda - August 13, 2024, 09:43:31 PM

What can be the benefits we can gain from Surah Rahman?

#100

General Discussions / No evidence to show that curre...

Last post by Shahmatt - August 13, 2024, 01:12:30 PM

In addition to the compelling arguments made against the Secondary Sources on this website, I would like to add just one more that may have merit.

Hypothetically, even if the Quran were to somehow provide authority to another body of work, there is no evidence to show that the currently accepted Secondary Sources is what is being authorized. It is possible that there existed some other body of information that was somehow lost through the ages.

Unlike the Secondary Sources, the Quran is self validating, and thus the question of an alternative lost Quran is almost meaningless. But the Secondary Sources only garner authority allegedly from the Quran. Thus the question of: "Why these Secondary Sources, and not some other Secondary Sources?" may be a meaningful question.