As salam alaykum,
Its been a long time since I've joined a discussion
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Dear brother Joseph,
I wanted to share a maybe different perspective regarding the following point:
Anyone that guides to those fundamental truths with clear arguments from Scripture can be arguably deemed as messengers
According to:
[35:24] Saheeh International
Indeed, We have sent you with the truth as a bringer of good tidings and a warner. And there was no nation but that there had passed within it a warner.
And
[9:122] Saheeh International
And it is not for the believers to go forth [to battle] all at once. For there should separate from every division of them a group [remaining] to obtain understanding in the religion and warn their people when they return to them that they might be cautious.The Believers who were entrusted with the task to deliver the message were described as "warners". This could explain how communities received their warnings in the post Quranic era (35:24). Without anyone declaring himself as messenger. As every messengers is a Warner but not every Warner is necessarily a messenger.
Furthermore, The main counter argument to this, is in section 11
The main argument there is that the word messenger has been used to denote the helpers of a central messenger. Therefore the term messenger can describe "Anyone that guides to fundamental truths with clear arguments from Scripture".
I think there are two problems with this interpretation.
First of all, even If we assume that its a correct interpretation we are still left with a crucial difference. Its that those messenger mentioned were helpers of central messengers sent by GOD. Since there are no central messengers now. I don't think the situation is the same. That's why I believe the term "Warner" better describes those who guide others in the post Quranic Era. As it described the knowledgeable believers who taught their communities (9:122)
2. The second issue. It that its not Explicitly mentioned that the messengers (being referred to) were those who helped the Central messenger. It may be a possible interpretation but one cannot rule out the possibility that the Quran was referring to other messengers who were sent to the same communities. (But their stories were not told. (4:164) ).
Please let me know your thoughts .
Regards,
Ahmad.