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Q&As with Joseph Islam - Information Only / Re: Sadaqah & Zakat

« on: January 11, 2018, 01:10:50 PM »

Salamun Alayka,
Sir Joseph,

Apologies (I caught flu and got very sick, Alhumdulillah much better now) for late acknowledgement and note of thank to you for a quick response to my query 

Sorry my later part of the query is misunderstood, I did not link or propose a link between Sadaqah and Zakat and that is why I started the sentence "you've rightly distinguished between Zakah and Sadaqah". I'm in complete agreement with your view on Zakat but you weren't explicit whether Sadaqah is an obligation and seems to take it as voluntary act. Is it correct? If so, how is giving in charity something (Sadaqah) is voluntary when it(=what is being given) has be given to X, Y, & Z only (which is obligatory)?

Also, you're mixing Infaq (spend) ayats with Sadaqah (charity) when listing benefits of Sadaqah but when reference to %age of Zakat can be implied from 2:219 you do not see a link between Infaq and Zakat, any particular reason why only Sadaqah is linked with Infaq and not with Zakat?

In "money matters" isn't Infaq general term (used 68 times in all forms, and in imperative mood few times) for spending/expend and the very act (of spending) seems to cover both Zakat and Sadaqah? Or is Infaq another mutually exclusive charitable act? If so, is it voluntary or obligatory in nature? When something is said over and over 66 times the only question that comes naturally to listener's mind is "what and how much", both of which are answered making the total usage of the word 68 in all forms, hence I say your articles overlooked 2:219 when talking about Zakat and Sadaqah.
 
with respect and warm regards to you as ever 

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Q&As with Joseph Islam - Information Only / Sadaqah & Zakat

« on: January 07, 2018, 10:24:06 AM »

Salaamun Alayka,
Sir Joseph,

Hope you're keeping well. Although I've read your all your articles including "The concept of Sadaqah & Zakah" couple of years ago, I revisited them last night after a (traditionalist) WhatsApp message triggered a discussion on exclusion of Syed family from Zakat funds, and noticed you did not make use of 2:219 or even cite it in either of these articles, and you've made a passing reference only 3 times in all your QM Forum posts - was it a overlook? Doesn't 2:219 alluding/seems to answer oft repeated question raised on the Quran on %age of Zakah?

Also, you've rightly distinguished between Zakah and Sadaqah but it appear your interpretation of this act as voluntary charity while 9:60 clearly made use of the words فَرِيضَةً مِّنَ اللَّهِ - Did I misread or misunderstood your position on the subject?

Your clarification is much appreciated, Jazak Allah khair in anticipation 

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Discussions / Re: External Posts - Broken links

« on: January 03, 2018, 01:36:03 PM »

walekum salaam,

Here is the list of some broken ones:

https://www.facebook.com/Quransmessage/posts/401596369887109

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=295135640591541&id=756048136

https://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.islam/posts/172575882879547

https://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.islam/posts/170892709714531

https://www.facebook.com/Quransmessage/posts/416152311764848

https://www.facebook.com/Quransmessage/posts/379432775436802

Regards,

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General Discussions / Re: seeing allah in jannah

« on: January 03, 2018, 05:37:08 AM »

Walekumus Salaam,
Brother Athman,

Thank you for sharing your counter view and raising some very good and interesting questions. I'll have to revisit all the Ayahs you mentioned and read them in/with context again carefully before I can get back to you and also clarify many misunderstandings taken from my post, Inshallah. But before that, and like I said I sincerely and eagerly would be wishing that Sir Joseph come across this thread and share his view on the subject from his knowledge of not just Quran but also the previous scriptures (and I'm sure he may have come across this great event's academic debates among scholars of previous Books and also of Quran, during his academic pursuit) and the wisdom derive from them, as we all know and benefit from and the main reason why I'm a member here and I hope this is NOT taken by moderators as a badger to him  .

Warm regards,

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Discussions / Re: External Posts - Broken links

« on: January 03, 2018, 12:47:04 AM »

Walekumus Salaam,

Thanks for quick turnaround. I've checked with chrome and Firefox, I stand corrected when I said "all" actually but most of them throws this on the error page:

Sorry, this content isn't available right now
The link you followed may have expired, or the page may only be visible to an audience you're not in.

I'm a newbie on FB, do I need to do anything to become one of visible audience?

Regards,

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Discussions / External Posts - Broken links

« on: January 02, 2018, 10:39:02 AM »

Dear QM moderator team,

I noticed surprisingly that all the external face book posts aren't working from QM FB tabular page. Is there something wrong or has something changed with the way the redirection is made or all of them expired and deleted from all these individual FB's profile?

Your investigation and possible restoration is really appreciated.

Regards and

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General Discussions / Re: seeing allah in jannah

« on: January 01, 2018, 02:59:00 AM »

Walekumus salaam,
Br Hamzeh,

No, you didn't hurt my feelings at all so no need of apologies. However, I think I need to clarify couple of things as I see you misunderstood my view/belief:

• I've not raised any queries or initiated the thread. I simply forwarded my view upon solicitation.
• I've a firm belief Allah swt can be seen BEFORE OR ON THE DAY OR AFTER THE DAY in a manner He manifest Himself (27:8, 28:30) to the fortunate ones who long and strive for it, I've supported it with few Quranic verses (18:110, 29:5, 10:7) and provided you the definition of Liqa, whilst firmly believing in unlikeness of HIM in His creation and firmly believing He is beyond our imagination and description. The words/knowledge/vision cannot capture Him.

Since God remains eternal before or after, according to your interpretation we cannot ever get the joy of meeting Him (Liqa). This is clearly against many Quranic commands. Why do you've to go and explain your Vision to anyone, this seems to be your difficulty perhaps.

I'm keenly interested to know Sir Joseph's view on this subject as this is much debated and divided theological belief across and within Islamic religion. Did we blindly nodded Qaalu Bala then and would remain blind now and deprived forever?

Peace!

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General Discussions / Re: seeing allah in jannah

« on: December 31, 2017, 01:11:49 PM »

Salaamun Alaykum,
All,

Just found by God's grace the definition of Liqa by none other than Sir Joseph, while browsing current threads:

Please kindly note the Arabic word 'liqai' (the 'hi' simply being a pronoun) comes from the root word 'Lam-Qaf-Ya' which means to encounter, meet, see, come across, or see face to face. Many commentators unduly make use of the word 'receive' to translate 'liqai' when it is clear that the usage of this word within the Quran is specific to 'encounter' or come across 'face to face'.

Ref: http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=2191.30

It would be interesting to know Sir Joseph's view on this subject.

Peace!

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General Discussions / Re: seeing allah in jannah

« on: December 31, 2017, 10:51:13 AM »

Walekumus salaam,
Bro Hamzeh,

The Ayahs you quoted as part of the Universal Laws that include impossibility of Divine Vision is either misunderstood or irrelevant.

42:51 does not talk about Liqa (meeting) at all, it is defining the mode and medium of voice communication with God.
6:103 does not deny Vision, it denies encompassing/encircling/grasping/completely capturing God. I'm sure people who know the language can elaborate and go in depths for the difference between Liqa, Ra'a, Nazar, Basar and Idrak.

If it was completely impossible and illogical question the request (Arini) of Musa AS (desire to see Allah swt) would have been categorically put to rest once and for all as you seems to interpret. In fact, if anything the possibility of seeing is clearly depicted by a conditional answer given by Allah swt to Musa AS's request:

When Moses came for the appointment, and his Lord spoke to him, he said, ‘My Lord, show Yourself to me: let me see You!’ He said, ‘You will never see Me, but look at that mountain: if it remains standing firm, you will see Me,’ and when his Lord revealed Himself to the mountain, He made it crumble: Moses fell down unconscious. When he recovered, he said, ‘Glory be to You! To You I turn in repentance! I am the first to believe!’ 7:143

I never said "Seeing is believing", so your lengthy argument is irrelevant, unfortunately. After believing in the Unseen God it is all but natural for a true lover to long for the meeting of his beloved. You don't need an ayah for this. It's innate.

And what is a meeting without seeing? How is it even debatable in the Hereafter? There are numerous Ayahs about the meeting and the unfortunate ones are debarred from this Blissful Joy (83:15).

Brother Athman,

I would humbly present the analogy:

Suppose someone invited you to his place with great promise and sure enough he perfectly received you and honored and bestowed you with all the gifts, served you (through his servants) the most delicious dishes and exotic drinks you ever imagined and entertained you with all the comforts during your stay and after all done you're asked to leave without meeting the host. Will you still be all satisfied and content? Can you call this a meeting?

Like I said, Quran never denies hope in meeting (Liqa) with our Sublime Lord, and it never explicitly restricted the possibility of meeting (Liqa) to the Hereafter only. It is unwarranted interpretation. May Allah swt makes us all from the true followers of Ibrahim, Musa, Muhammad (Alayhimus Salaam) who all longed for His meeting.

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General Discussions / Re: seeing allah in jannah

« on: December 29, 2017, 11:06:48 AM »

Walekas Salaam
Dear Athman,

This is sensitive topic as you know, and I'm here as my name suggest a mere and humble student trying to learn. My humble perspective see  that there are two parts to this question:

• Can we desire and long for His vision?
• Whether Allah swt can be seen?

Quran has clearly expressed and expect believers to seek Him with a burning desire (18:110 & 29:5 among others).  That answers the first question. If the answer is no to second, and as you interpreted due to our incapacity in the present form - I would ask is Allah swt powerful (Qadir) to enable us to behold His beatific vision in this world if He so wills? Has Quran explicitly denied vision in this world? If we can see Him in the hereafter (as you seems to incline and align with Christianity and Sunni belief on the subject) we can surely seek and plead Him for His vision here in this world: "O our Sustainer! Grant us good in this world and good in the life to come.  I'm sure you'll not disagree there's no Hasana better and pleasing than the joy of seeing our unsurpassingly Beautiful and unimaginable Creator!

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General Discussions / Re: seeing allah in jannah

« on: December 11, 2017, 09:23:48 AM »

Salaamun Alayka,
Br Samson,

Couldn't agree more with your concluding sentiment, however strongly yet respectfully disagree with you that He can only be seen in the hereafter.

And those who disbelieved in the signs of God and the meeting with Him, those gave up hope of My mercy and those, for them there will be a painful punishment.


Sir Joseph has shared his feeling beautifully:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=254553618015106&set=a.122357211234748.21109.100003814101226&type=1&theater

But those who were blind in this world, will be blind in the hereafter, and most astray from the Path.

Be not among those to despair from Allah's Mercy.

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General Discussions / Is Bitcoin Halal?

« on: December 10, 2017, 10:32:52 AM »

Salaamun Alaykum,

Are cryptocurrencies (bitcoin and its sisters) trade permissible in the light of the Quran?

Thanks,
Student.

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General Discussions / Re: 33:37 interpretation

« on: August 31, 2017, 07:17:20 AM »

Walekas salaam,
Br Duster,

Sorry I didn't mean anything negative when I said Br Joseph argument aligns with the majority. I should have phrased it better but what I was curious to know was what/how would he point out Dr. Shabbir's translation/placement of the quotes are incorrect. I believe the key to easily disprove him is to be familiar with Arabic. That's what I meant here.

I don't blindly stick to any one translator and I'm not a fan of Dr. Shabbir either. Just his translation stood out from 50+ which drew my attention and for a change his translation was aligning with majority of traditional Muslims not on this ayah but on infallibility of the Prophets.

http://islamawakened.com/quran/33/37/

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General Discussions / Re: 33:37 interpretation

« on: August 29, 2017, 12:34:13 PM »

Thanks, anyone else have any views especially people well versed with Arabic and grammar? I've searched the forums but Br. Joseph also seems to side with majority but no one have raised this viewed on the ayah to him before, so curious if Dr. Shabbir's interpretation hold any water?

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General Discussions / 33:37 interpretation

« on: August 29, 2017, 07:34:07 AM »

Salaamun alaykum,

Is Dr. Shabbir correct in his assertion about 33:37 interpretation:

Behold, (O Prophet) you did tell the one to whom Allah had shown Favor and to whom you had shown favor, "Hold on to your wife and be mindful of Allah. You seek to conceal in your heart what Allah intends to reveal. You are afraid of people whereas it is more appropriate to fear Allah." But when Zayd had observed all the rules and divorced her, We gave her to you in marriage. So that henceforth there may be no blame on the believers in respect of spouses of their adopted children when they have come to the dissolution of their union. And the Commandment of Allah must be fulfilled. (Contrary to many erroneous translations, the entire quote in this verse is addressed to Zayd since Messengers fear none but Allah (33:39). Also the admonition of the Prophet to Zayd clearly indicates that he, and not his wife, was at fault)

In other words, did he got the quotes right (red text)? If not, what part of the sentence is Zayd addressee and what part is towards the Prophet (pbuh)? The correct demarcation.

Thanks,