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General Discussions / Re: HELP: Pascale's wager means we should be Christian and not Muslim?
« on: March 28, 2020, 05:29:14 AM »
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Im not trying to make this conversation a lengthy one and I'm regretting that I even got into this conversation in the first place to be honest because you are making it look like I have said or implied something that I did not.
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Of course and never did I reject that. Muslims, Mu'mins(believers) are different topic that Islam.
My point was that there maybe other systems/religions that may over lap with Islam in some areas of ruling or beliefs, but they are not Islam. Dictatorship ruling, or communism or other systems modern or not despite their belief in God is still not Islamic. There maybe muslims in those systems but they are not Islamic systems. No more no less. Islam is any ruling that comes from any of the Scriptures God has sent down. Noah, Abraham, Mosses, Jesus and Muhammad (pbut) all were sent with an Islamic ruling.
Christianity, Judaism, have a Scripture that they are commanded to judge with. If they do, they would be enjoining in a Islamic ruling or in more of a english terminology they are ruling by the system of God. Which is:
3:19 The Religion/System(Deen) before God is Islam (submission to His Will): Nor did the People of the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of God, God is swift in calling to account.
42:13(part) The same religion(deen) has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah - that which We have sent by inspiration to thee(O'Muhammad) - and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus : Namely, that ye should establish the religion(deen), and make no divisions therein:...
Any other systems are not Islamic, and to make this clear, crystal clear I am not saying that those who live in a non-Islam system is not a Muslim or a believer. It seems to me you think Islam is the same as a muslim.
We as muslims should understand what Islamic systems are since we are readers of the Book.
For example they are systems that would include, establishment of prayers, establishment of zakat, establishment for laws regarding marriage, divorce, inheritance, corruption, punishments, war, politics, enjoining in the good and forbidding the evil, democracy etc.
I am also not saying that Islam must be forced into law, as their is no compulsion in the system and also one is not forbidden to live under other systems as long as one is not oppressed.
May God bless you and salam
Im not trying to make this conversation a lengthy one and I'm regretting that I even got into this conversation in the first place to be honest because you are making it look like I have said or implied something that I did not.
you said
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However, a Muslim to GOD can be from any religion or from no religion. Only GOD knows the true inner most thoughts.
Of course and never did I reject that. Muslims, Mu'mins(believers) are different topic that Islam.
My point was that there maybe other systems/religions that may over lap with Islam in some areas of ruling or beliefs, but they are not Islam. Dictatorship ruling, or communism or other systems modern or not despite their belief in God is still not Islamic. There maybe muslims in those systems but they are not Islamic systems. No more no less. Islam is any ruling that comes from any of the Scriptures God has sent down. Noah, Abraham, Mosses, Jesus and Muhammad (pbut) all were sent with an Islamic ruling.
Christianity, Judaism, have a Scripture that they are commanded to judge with. If they do, they would be enjoining in a Islamic ruling or in more of a english terminology they are ruling by the system of God. Which is:
3:19 The Religion/System(Deen) before God is Islam (submission to His Will): Nor did the People of the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of God, God is swift in calling to account.
42:13(part) The same religion(deen) has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah - that which We have sent by inspiration to thee(O'Muhammad) - and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus : Namely, that ye should establish the religion(deen), and make no divisions therein:...
Any other systems are not Islamic, and to make this clear, crystal clear I am not saying that those who live in a non-Islam system is not a Muslim or a believer. It seems to me you think Islam is the same as a muslim.
We as muslims should understand what Islamic systems are since we are readers of the Book.
For example they are systems that would include, establishment of prayers, establishment of zakat, establishment for laws regarding marriage, divorce, inheritance, corruption, punishments, war, politics, enjoining in the good and forbidding the evil, democracy etc.
I am also not saying that Islam must be forced into law, as their is no compulsion in the system and also one is not forbidden to live under other systems as long as one is not oppressed.
May God bless you and salam