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Islamic Duties / Re: Slaughter of animals

« on: January 06, 2012, 03:03:35 AM »

Salamu aleikum brother Joseph
the drinking of blood was in many ancient civilizations custom, after being sacrificed. In Satanism, this is still practiced today. This remark was not meant as an interpretation of the commandment in the Quran, but served only (my part) as a possible explanation as to why it came to this prohibition. In the Ahadith, I have never read  that the ancient Arabs have also been drinking blood  or they  thinked that the soul is sitting in the blood..
I have the info about the blood found in various Satanic magic books and books from the Middle Ages, and publications about ancient civilizations and their sacrifices. there is nothing mentioned about it in the Quran, what i know

The interpretation of the outflowing blood I have certainly not from the verse 5.3, but as you said, from 6.145.
Thank you for your help.salam.

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Prophets and Messengers / Re: Prophet Yahya

« on: January 04, 2012, 11:06:23 PM »

Salamu aleikum
The Quran mentions only the name Yahya as a prophet and messenger of God, that he  have baptized, is not mentioned in the Koran. Even in Christianity there is much controversy over the baptism itself, there are many scholars who claim, that even the command from Jesus to baptize was a later insertion. What about the baptism of John, whether and why he has really been baptized, I do not know. But the baptism has certainly no support in the Quran and also not much in the Bible.
peace

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Islamic Duties / Re: Tajweed

« on: January 04, 2012, 10:17:19 PM »

Salamu aleikum my sister and brothers
I'm here personally gone to learn the Quran in a school  (Egypt) and so clear with Tajweed. the tajweed teachings is not only the recitation  laws, within the Tajjids you learn the correct pronunciation of each letter. Surely it is wrong, only to memorize and recite beautiful  and so lost maybe the meaning or pondering up the verses. However,when sufficient time is available I think it's very nice, since it can be learned within two months.

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General Discussions / Re: Original Sanctuary, Masjid al-Haram and the Qibla Change

« on: January 04, 2012, 09:12:44 PM »

salamu aleikum dear brother wazir

you say:

Now, as per verse 3:97, Pilgrimage was declared duty on men by Allah.
So, if you argue that Masjidil Aqsa, Bakkah, Madyan,NW Arabia was First House of Allah built by Prophet Abraham; then we have to believe that Allah gave site to Prophet Abraham(22:26), ordained Hajj and still nobody visited it in known history and nobody visits it. How is this possible? Will you explain please? Please remember Quran assert that Allah is All-Mighty, All-Knowing

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in fact we are not know, if Abraham and his people or any ancient prophet was make the pilgrimage to the Jabal al Lawz or not. in fact, we know not to much, also the history around Jesus is not clear at all- what we know, there was a temple in Jerusalem and we can see the Dome of the Rock today with quranic inscriptions- we have one the other side the stories from many sanctuaries in old Arabia and the named Kaaba in Mecca  today. but we can't be sure from its originality , we all know, that history is based up old stories and artefacts , we was not there in the time of the prophet...
what we have in our hand is only the Quran who tell us, that he is clear- then why we must discuss to much? maybe our receivers are not clear...or because we are -in the eyes from most of the Muslims- apostates and all this questions arised because we leave the right way... (statement from my husband

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General Discussions / Iblis a angel/Jinn a proper name?

« on: January 03, 2012, 08:05:32 PM »

dear brothers and sisters in Islam
Whenever I read the post about the two angles and the magic, a old question come to my mind. I hope I will not make you upset. But we are here to share and learn, and I have no one else, who listens to me, so you all  have to suffer from me ...
Was Iblis now a Angel and the Ginn is not a proper Name?
below the verses where Iblis is mentioned:

2:30
And He taught Adam all the names. he laid them before the angels and said: "Share with me your name if you are truthful."
He said: ". Adam, share them with their names," as he had told them their names, He said: "Did I not tell you that I know the secrets of heaven and earth, and I also know what it reveals and conceal it.
And when we said to the angels, "prostrate yourselves before Adam." As they prostrated except Iblis. He refused and behaved arrogantly and was one of the ingrates.
And we said, "Adam, Dwell you and your wife in this garden and eat plenty of it, even as you wish. But do not approach this tree, or ye be of the unjust. "
But Satan fall from it, and caused them to depart from that in which they had been. We said, "go away. Some of you are hostile to the other. And on the earth you shall stay and provision for a time. "

7:11-28
And yes, we have created you, then we have formed you, completed (given knowledge). Then we said to the angels: "Prostrate before Adam." Then they threw down except Iblis, he was not one to prostrate themselves.
He said: "What made you deter you from prostrating when I commanded you" He said: "I'm better than him, You created me from fire and him You created from clay.
He said: "so go away from him. It is not for you, is to be arrogant. So go out. Certainly you are one of the disdained.
He said: "Give me respite until the day on which they are raised.
...
Then Satan whispered to them, to show them open, which was hidden by her nakedness. And he said: "Your Lord has forbidden you this tree only lest ye should become angels or one of the Everliving."
And he swore to them: "I belong to those truly give you good advice."
He seduced her deceptive. When they had then tasted of the tree, their nakedness appeared to them and obviously they began zusammenzuheften.Und leaves of the garden to be called their Lord to them, "Have I not forbidden you this tree and said:" The Satan is an avowed enemy? "
They said: 'Our Lord we have wronged ourselves and if you do not forgive us and have mercy, we are determined to be the losers.
He said: "Go away!" One is the other enemy. And on the earth you shall stay and have provision for a time.

15:28 - 42
And when thy Lord said to the angels: "I am going to create a human being from dried clay of black smooth mud.
If I have rightly shaped it and breathed into him of My spirit, then fall down before him, and subdue it.
It threw down all the angels.
Except Iblis, he refused to bow down to be with each other.
He said: "Iblis what is with you, that you're not with those who prostrate themselves?"
He said: "I can not possibly bow down before a Being that you are made of dry clay, creating from black mud ."
He said, "then go out from him, for you are worthy of stoning.
And the curse is on thee till the Day of Judgement. "
He said: "My Lord, respite me until the day they are raised.
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And when we said to the angels, "prostrate yourselves before Adam." As they prostrated themselves except Iblis. he said: "Shall I prostrate to one whom You created from clay?

18:50
And when we said to the angels, "prostrate yourselves before Adam. "As they prostrated except Iblis, he was one of the jinn. He sins against the commandment of his Lord. Will you take for him and his progeny as protectors rather than my, but you where they are enemy - a worse replacement for the unrighteous.

20:115-124
And we had previously imposed an obligation Adam. But he forgot, and we found him at no determination.
And when We said to the angels: "Prostrate before Adam." As they prostrated except Iblis. He refused.
As we said, "Adam, this is you and your wife certainly an enemy. Yes you both that he does not distribute out of the garden. Otherwise you'll be unhappy.
Certainly, it is granted to you is that you're not hungry therein nor naked;
and the fact that you suffer neither thirst nor heat of the sun. "
But as one of Satan whispered to him and said: "Adam, I want you to point to the tree of immortality and a rule that does not pass?"

36:60
Did I, not as an obligation imposed on children of Adam, that ye shall not serve Satan - certainly he is to you a clear enemy.
And that you shall serve me? That is a straight path.

38:67
Say: It is a huge customer, you turn away from you.
I had no knowledge about the highest leadership group, as they disputed.
I entered so I am only a plain warner.
When thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a human being from clay.
If I have rightly shaped it and breathed into him of My Spirit, then fall down before him, and subdue it.
Since the angel threw down all together, except Iblis, he behaved arrogantly and was among the unbelievers.
He said: "Iblis, what prevented you, bow down before thee that which I create with my hands?you feel proud or are you one example to the rank of chief?
He said: "I'm better than him. you created me from fire, whereas you created him from clay.
He said: "Then go out from him, for you are worthy of stoning.
And certainly, my curse on thee till the Day of Judgement.
He said: "My Lord, grant me respite till the Day they are raised.

and about the Jinn:
51:56 / 57
And I have not created the jinn and humans only reason that they may serve me. I want neither of them nor will I care that they feed me.


To sum up:
-God orders the angels to prostrate themselves before Adam and his knowledge
-All the angels obeyed, not only Iblis. He refuses.This seems, that Iblis was an angel or by the angels
- Angels have free will, can be desobedient.("see, you were not there when the rank of chief quarrel. The same wording is found in Sura Al Imran, to mean the angels who were arguing about who was to make of them to Mary.)
- there is only one verse (18.50) where Allah speaks from Iblis, that he was one from the Ginn
- Iblis is called "the hiding of something"=Ginn - God speaks to him by that name, as will be apparent disobedience-(he is hiding  his faith)
-Iblis was arrogant. Because of his disobedience, he must go down on earth, He and the angels who followed him.
- Ginn is a synonym for obscurity hides. Ginn called so disobedient angels.? Iblis is the first to have kept his true nature hidden. He was the leader. He was the father of the jinn, as Adam was the progenitor of the people.
-After the repudiation of the sky, he is called Satan. Shaytan in Arabic means the one who burns. Now, he is cursed.
-God then sends all the jinn and humans on the earth. each another enemy. However, they can receive guidance.
-Ginn( Iblis followers) share views and despise the people. they can assume human form and can be beautiful creatures. Therefore, they lead many astray, because humans think: Beautiful=good=Angel=good
-Ginn may be rightly guided.
-Ginn, when they are really  angels,are  immortal, unlike humans. Therefore, Satan is always talking about " the day, if they are arise. The Ginn not. They will be only juged.
- There are those who have to guide through the book of God, and others which remain in disbelief and go to hell. The angels who obey God, have never ever put her at risk.

thank you for your help in this matter. salamu aleikum

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General Discussions / Re: Original Sanctuary, Masjid al-Haram and the Qibla Change

« on: January 03, 2012, 06:02:58 PM »

dear sisters and brothers
I've been thinking more about the subject of the original Masjid and would like to share with you my thoughts:
The first thing I would point to an appendix that gives us a little more insight on the Quibla change.http://www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Dome_Of_The_Rock/qibla.html
Based on these findings it seems possible that the original Quibla was
Jabal al-Lawz , Mecca, Or as mentioned, less the Quibla as a specific place, rather then a directional information, ie. the pointing  to Arabia itself

When situating the Masjid al Haram ever I run the following points:
-Changing the Quibla, that should have been finished from the quranique side at the death of the Prophet, was not clear until much later
- The question why Malik wanted to move the pilgrimage to Jerusalem (in this case I need clear more facts: Where does this knowledge, what were the motives, political situation,  among the ummah: where are the reputable sources that will help us? ? Or is there just speculation?)
- The question of Mecca (where was Mecca, the fact that it is said in the secondary literature, Mecca was significant, however actually was not,  that the concealment of the facts, the motives of both sides :-Westerners Orientalists who  would deny Mecca and  Muhammad and want to interpret Islam as a direction of Christianity,- the Muslim side,  their position is based on the hadith, some of which clearly excessive and does not correspond to the truth)
-There seemed to be not only one Kaaba, but more-so the question arises, how do we know which was the most important ?
- The context of a pilgrimage rites in Mecca as a new institution only pursuant to a Koranic verse, for me this is not clear, however, clear, that Mecca today is the absolute center of Islam

Conclusions:

- Could it be because Allah is Knower, Seer and The Most Honorable, he has made this question EXTRA not clear? Allah is always very clear in his statement. Why this ambiguity in such an important issue? Here I come slowly to the conclusion, that maybe God wants us to push, do not fix us for one special sanctuary, a rite-He wants to encourage us to think about Abraham, about the pre-Islamic period, about Judaism and Christianity, He always points , that the Deen of Islam was and remains for all the times the same.
-  Because we see these ambiguities in the story, we are encouraged to ponder  much more deeply into the origins of the Deen, as he calls Allah. It causes us to reflect, not just blindly go on pilgrimage to a place. It brings us perhaps to make a pilgrimage to Mecca, after the Jabal al Lawz, to Jerusalem, to the undisputed holy land and its history as a whole
going to reconnect, to come toghether once more, not to separate ...?
thank you all for your opinions. Salam

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Islamic Duties / sacrifice

« on: January 03, 2012, 05:14:04 PM »

dear sisters and brothers
I've done pretty much about the battles and shafts, and the absolute cruelty of mankind, when it comes to animals. Not only as meat consumers, but also as a creatures, as living beings. I came across a statement that Godused "sacrifice" (the  negative meaning  in the sense of sacrifice and today's pre-Islamic massacre)  in contrast to the expression of meaningful killing, which means also a victim of Islam. The starting point was the article on the slaughter of brother Joseph.
Here are my thoughts in line of the article:

Is 'Thakaytum' a synonym of 'Thiba / Ziba?'

005:003
"Forbidden to you is carrion (Arabic: maytatu) and blood (Arabic: damu) and the meat of the pig (Arabic: walahmu lkhanziri) and that on which any other name hath been invoked besides that of God, and the animal that has been stifled is beaten or death (Arabic: mawqudhatu) or killed by a fall or by horns blow or by a predator broken, except that which ye have slaughtered (Arabic: Thakaytum), while it was still alive, and forbidden to you is all that was slaughtered on the altars Götzendiesstes.. (Arabic: Thubiha) And you is not allowed to seek to discover through divination what the future may hold for you, this is sinful Verhalten.Heute have those who are bent on denying the truth All hope lost respect your religion turns out not because they respect, but I have respect for mir.Heute vervollkommet your religious law for you, and have given the full measure of my blessings and willed that Selbstergebung shall be your religion in what I am. However, the terms, driven by extreme hardship and not by an inclination to sin, behold, God is much forgiving, a dispenser of grace.

- Thakaytum: root: DHAL / KAF-THAL-WAW
- in classical Arabic dictionaries equated with designation battles to life in a certain shape to finish, exclusive of other  forms.
- It does not address a particular form. It is clear that the word thakaytum a permitted type of killing is contrary to Thiba, which describes the killing of more than victims.
- But I wonder, why then has God made this difference we see in the top line? God uses each word very precisely, he uses every word exactly what we can look at many different locations. It raises the question why he has done it here too?


where the word 'Thiba' or  his compositions was used in the Koran?

Thiba / Ziba root: DHAL / THAL-BA-HA; divide to sacrifice his throat cut, slaughter, massacre, slaughter in a large number, the ritual slaughter

The Quran gives us an example by seeing how the word "thiba" was used. In  Sura Al Baqara we see, that this was a order from God, the people however, always ask for more details until it was extremely difficult for them to find another suitable cow.
The word Thiba is used here to describe a required slaughter of God.o

Battles versus victims

2.67
And behold, Moses said to his people: Behold, God commands you to sacrifice a cow. (Arabic: Tadhbahu root: TH-BA-HA) They said: Did you spot us about? He answered: I seek refuge with God not to be so ignorant. ...

2:71
Moses replied: Behold, he says it should be a cow, not further prepared to plow the soil or to irrigate the crop, flawless, without drawing in any other color. They said: Finally your gerau brought the truth, and then sacrificed (Arabic: Thabahu - root: TH-BA-HA), they, although they had almost left undone. "

- God demands the sacrifice
- probably refers to a Mosaic law, which prescribes to slaughter a cow in an unsolved murder.
  This law is found in the Old Testament: Deut.21.1-9
--It is a command to be executed
 -it is a victim not for food

27.20/21
And one day he looked in vain for one of the birds, and so he said: how is it that I do not see the hoopoe? Or he could be among the absentees?
If this should be so, I will punish him very severely or kill him (Arabic thabahu), unless he brings me a convincing excuse

 -The question arises whether a prophet of God would kill a bird just because he was not present?
 -It seems not to be a literal  act, rather then allegoric . This is also the opinion of many Koranic commentators (Ex. Muhammad Asad)
 -The word here is  clearly seen not in the context of food, hunger
 -used negatively, as a threat, senseless act

37 102
And one day when the child was old enough to become to be part of his (father's) efforts, the latter said: O my dear son, I've seen in a dream that I offer you (Arabic: athabahuk) should: consider the matter, what would be your view. He said: O my father, do as you commanded, you will find me, hen God wills it, found among those who are patient in adversity.

-Also here is the word used to describe a  sacrifice, what was ordered from God.
-Abraham thought it was prescribed by God
-No association with hunger or food profits
- clear audit
-negative

37 107
And we ransomed him with a huge sacrifice (Arabic: bithibh azim)

Also here is the redemption of the victim pointed to the cult: it is about the fulfillment of a requirement
the victim has nothing to do with food production.

2:49
And remember the time when we rescued you from Pharaoh's people who afflicted you with gray samee suffering by slaughtering your sons (Arabic: juthabihuna) and spared your women, what a terrible test was possible from your Sustainer. (See also 14.6, 28.4)

-the word is used here to describe a massacre.
-Clearly negative
-senseless bloodshed
-is called a test

Due to the real sacrifice

22:27
So you proclaim to all people the pilgrimage. They will come unto thee on foot and on every type of fast steed, far Removed from any point on earth coming
22:28
to learn that they like a lot of what they will be useful. And that they may glorify God's name on appointed days over which the cattle may have always provided them with it. Then eat thereof and feed the poor, unfortunate
 First Because of the pilgrimage connected with the "sacrifice"
 Second the self-sacrifice for the cause of God (righteousness, peace, kindness, donations) is in the foreground
 Third here the "new" victim explains:
 
- It is sacrificed in order to say thank you
- In order to present the life and death of his
- To remember God and all life is death of him
- To be aware of the importance of life: it is not easy
  mindlessly kill, slaughter, but deliberately "sacrifice" to bring it in
  The name of God to slaughter and most important:
- You may eat thereof and must feed the poor

 - the senseless sacrifice of pre-Islamic period is replaced by meaningful victims, not to get something, but to give.


Place of the real sacrifice

22:34
And every community we have determined an act of worship, that they may glorify the name of God over what goes wrong with cattle He may have supplied. And your God is the One and Only God, why surrender to him, and tell you the good news to all who are humble
22:35
all those whose hearts tremble with awe whenever God called, and all those who patiently endure whatever of evil befalls them, and all those who continually perform the prayer and spend on others of what we prepare for them as supply.
22:36
And as for the victims of cattle (Arabic: Bud'na), we have prescribed it for you as one of the symbols erected by God, where is good for you. So glorify the name of God over them when they are lined up, and after she fell lifeless to the ground, eat of their flesh and feed the poor, who is content with his lot, as well as the one who is forced to beg. It is to this end that we have made to serve you, your needs, so that you may you have reason to be grateful.
22:37
But keep in mind: never reached their meat nor their blood God: it is only your awareness of God, which reaches him. It is to this end that we have made it subservient to your needs, so that God may you praise her for all the guidance, with which he has blessed you. And you proclaim these glad tidings to those who do good.

- Here it becomes clear where the "new" victims may be performed as a ritual: only on the pilgrimage. The battles at home is not supported by the Koran
- The point is mentioned again: to be aware, one of the gifts of God and the gift of life is senseless killing of God as sacrilege (no slaughtering of sacrificial altars) sentenced
- The victim as a symbol of life and care: There must be killed-one killing of an animal for food without eating it or feeding the poor is not allowed
-The reference to the flesh and blood is very important: it shows us that the custom of sacrifice to achieve something (forgive sin, blood sacrifice, to sacrifice truth commitments, Mosaic sacrifices, killing for no reason) is abolished!

The concept of sacrifice in the Koran

3.183 fire victims abolished

As for those who say: behold, God has commanded us not to believe in any Messenger unless he comes to us with burnt offerings, say: Even in front of me are you messengers came with all evidence of truth, and even with what you say, why did you kill them, if what you say is true?

-The Jews knew the atoning sacrific,e the burnt offering and the sacrifice of law which has been mentioned in Surah al Baqara. They did want separate from their ancient laws and accepted no prophet, who promised them relief


4.66 Selfsacrifice is required / human sacrifice just as Selfsacrifice

But if we prescribe for them: Give up your life, or leave your homes, very few of them would do it - although if they did, to do what they have been admonished, it truly for their own good and would be likely to strengthen them very much.

-Here  is pointed at a human sacrifice: the Selfsacrifice for God and emigrating (Hijra)
-This is a lawful form of "human sacrifice"

5:27 sacrifice of Abel and Cain

And also give them the thruth setting forth the history of the two sons of Adam, how everyone was offering a victim (Arabic: kurbanan) , and it was accepted by one of them, while it was not accepted by the other. And Cain said, I will surely kill thee: but said, behold, God only accepts from those who are aware of his conscious.
 
-It is never actually mentioned a killing, it is only the term "kurbanan", which can be many things, according to the Bible there was a grain offering.
-After the root, it can also be simply  a pious act, a sanctification, must have been something that both brothers have done for God. What ever it was, it was only accepted by one of the two.


Conclusions to th-bh-(thahaba sacrifice) and (slaughter) Thakaytum

-(Sacrifice) the process of TH-B-H refers to a sacrificial rite, as was usual in pre-Islamic times.
-The process that is described  with TH-B-H , always has to do with "wanting"; as sacrificed, either to the gods or God, be pleasing, or something to gain (rain, good harvest, forgiveness, enlightenment, truth)
-TH-B-H has a negative aspect, it also means senseless killing ( the victim is not eaten, but  burnt or frequently drank only the blood or presented to the gods, that it rots ...
- It means also slaughter massacre, bloodbath.

-The term 'Thakaytum' gets the other hand, the importance of killing as it is right. The aspect of food intake is in the foreground.
-The Koran connects the two terms in this way that the ritual sacrifice is aligned with the Thakaytum. The negative aspects (as mentioned above) are eliminated, so that today a victim (Th-h-b) is equated with (thakaytum).
-Thus, the two terms was originally not synonyms, the Islamic Deen but  puts them  on the same stage by rejecting any  meaningless animal sacrifices

thank you all for reading  and sharing your opinions.salamu aleikum!
because i maked this post like always with help from the Google Translate, i'm sorry and for the Verses it will be better, if you read them in a proper translation. (the original is from the German 'die Botschaft des Korans', M.Asad, Edition Patmos )

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Islamic Duties / Re: Slaughter of animals

« on: January 03, 2012, 03:48:43 PM »

dear brother Joseph
I've divided the topic. Here is my question limited to the actual battles and the question of whether the ritual shafts (throats cut without stunning) is required by Allah.

005:003
"Forbidden to you is carrion (Arabic: maytatu) and blood (Arabic: damu) and the meat of the pig (Arabic: walahmu lkhanziri) and that on which any other name hath been invoked besides that of God, and the animal that has been stifled is beaten or death (Arabic: mawqudhatu) or killed by a fall or by horns blow or by a predator broken, except that which ye have slaughtered (Arabic: Thakaytum), while it was still alive, and forbidden to you is all that slaughtered on the altars of idolatry is (Arabic: Thubiha) And you is not allowed to seek to discover through divination what the future may hold for you, this is sinful behavior have today those who are bent on denying the truth... All hope lost respect your religion. proves no reverence for them, but have respect for me today I have vervollkommet your religious law for you, and have given the full measure of my blessings and willed that Selbstergebung shall be your religion in what I am. However, the terms, driven by extreme hardship and not by an inclination to sin, behold, God is much forgiving, a dispenser of grace.

The prohibition in paragraph 5.3 has many aspects:

First Prohibition:-the outflowing - Blood: Prohibits the pre-Islamic practices of victims who consumed the blood from the assumption that the soul is seated in the blood (for sure sitting viruses and germs in the blood!)

Second Prohibition of pork is clear

Third Prohibition of beaten to death, kicked and strangled:
     - First point of reference to foreign influence / we are not the performer himself (to prevent contamination of meat) the question of the date of death
    -Second point: the issue of torturing: these deaths are not allowed because they cause a slow and agonizing death for the animal
- third point: ,no mention in the Name of God,

Conclusion:
Allah does not mention any particular kind of slaughter.

If the animal itself / and personally killed with a shot or a spear, etc. in the fastest way is, in the name of God with full confidence and respect for life, there is a halal slaughter
The shafts as a slaughter method can be applied but must not.
Shafts as a contradiction to the Quran in two points:
 - Larger animals need to be thrown to the ground: there is panic, thickening of the blood, the blood stays in the body
- Larger animals, the nerve pathway to the brain can not be cu,t so that they have to suffer (cows up to 10 minutes) for this contradiction to the above-mentioned item 3
- Recent findings suggest that after a cow is not powerless, but suffocated in her own blood, which contradicts the Koran

Slaughtering at slaughter than Quranic smaller animals, where the head with a blow-year-can be separated and so it is guaranteed that the nerve cord is severed immediately

Slaughtering of sheep, because sheep "martyr" and not fight with appropriate care and preparation for the battles to be.

Shafts with anesthesia.

what is your opinion?

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Islamic Duties / Re: Slaughter of animals

« on: January 02, 2012, 06:17:43 AM »

 dear brother Joseph
God willing I'll ask my questions in a clear intellectual presentation, soon ...
I must gather together all the relevant points only.

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Islamic Duties / Re: Commemorating/ anniversaries

« on: January 02, 2012, 06:13:22 AM »

dear sister saba
waleikum salam and schukran!! i love you all here very much...

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Islamic Duties / Re: Salaatul Istikharrah

« on: January 01, 2012, 11:45:53 PM »

Salamu aleikum
I've been praying a lot in my life Isticharas, it was always say to me . You say -is also my opinion- that  every prayer  itself can be a request for help or guidance. This requires no special prayer. This is needed only in traditional Islam, because there is a distinction between fard prayers and nafila. This difference only exists in the secondary sources of Islam. So, we will automatically, whenever we are faced with a decision, ask God for help when we not longer know what we can doing.
For the waiting for inspiration or characters on the part God: I got some several times-in the form of dreams hints.Here an unbeliever could now argue that these were things from my subconscious that have come to the surface. However,I found it was clear a divine intervention. But that I would wait all my life in order to get a inspiration in form of a dream? No. God  guides whom He wills. He has a million ways to help us. Thus, relying only one dream or inspiration  seems to me not right.. And I'm waiting  what brother Joseph say to  us!

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Islamic Duties / Re: Commemorating/ anniversaries

« on: January 01, 2012, 11:20:13 PM »

dear brother salamu aleikum
I find your questions so interesting! You know, by us at home, there is already crashing, when my kids want to celebrate birthday. I as an ex-Sunnistin it banned my children earlier. Today I find nothing bad here. The children delight in the sweets (and I) and have a feast. It has nothing to do with religion yes we could argue most, as yet another year has passed and we are getting closer to death, we should not celebrate and cry more, which is probably correct, but whether the children understand that?
Something else in my opinion it, when idols are worshiped is through celebration of birthdays or death days or memories of massacre-The problem that I see with this is, that, firstly, these data and the events are uncertain, we do not know if they and when they have even taken place. In addition, a Celebration of the birthday of Saints, Prophets and others, may bring us closer to the danger of idolizing. So I would omit the celebration of things that are related to the Deen, but get no support from the Koran, rather . This is my own view.peace.
(because you don't know, i'm actually motherlanguage German. so excuse the mistakes in my writing

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Islamic Duties / Re: Slaughter of animals

« on: January 01, 2012, 11:05:00 PM »

'm sorry, one more additional
I do not know if my question about the sacrifice itself is arrived really clear.
I understand the message of the Koran in such a way that God has abolished the senseless sacrifice (on altars).
The Mayans sacrificed (animals and humans)
The Egyptians sacrificed (animalsand maybe humans . ..)
The Jews knew blood atonement sacrifice and burnt offerings and sacrifices, all these sacrifices in the name of God or gods before to achieve something, to get rain, to determine a sin-looking buck tumbling.
I understand the Qur'an in such a way that God wants us to continue to refrain from making such senseless sacrifice of animals (even earlier human sacrifice) in the name of God. The only thing we can do when we "sacrifice" even want to, then, the humane slaughter of animals to feed ourselves so poor and so it is really no longer a victim, but only the "normal" killing / slaughtering to purpose of eating ....
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Islamic Duties / Re: Slaughter of animals

« on: January 01, 2012, 10:45:59 PM »

dear brother Joseph
Perhaps this question will lead to far, I do not know. I know that God would  never order a method of slaughter  that inflicted  the animal unnecessary pain.
As I understand the message of the Qur'an, God gives us no details of how an animal is slaughtered. If you do not shoot allowed, then only the slitting of the throat?
Let us look in the animal kingdom, we quickly realize that all the other animals killed by a bite into the aorta. So is this really the prescribed method of killing?
Or example, the killing with a knife into the heart may be also allowed?
I have no idea which way leads to death faster than the other. I am a little complicated, because the subject touches me very much. I am a vegetarian for a long time and endure it very difficult to witness the slaughter.
The traditional arguments against the shafts of the animals seem plausible, even if an animal must endure  "only" 10 seconds pain,( we will once keep our hand the same time in the fire)-that's too much. Let alone the adoption of an ox or a cow, which apparently will notice everything another 10 minutes .
It is also claimed that an animal that was not halal slaughtered, has approximately the same amount of blood in the meat as halal one. In addition, we do not really allowed to consume only blood flowing, right? The prohibition in the Koran says only blood flowing? Thus, the whole method of slaughter would be questioned.
Just when I look at the translation of sacrifice. If you mention in the article that sacrifice. which is designated as an outrage, also means the slaughter of large number of animals-yes, what is then made on EID otherwise than this? Allah wants us not to say that "sacrifice kill /" is allowed only if the meat is also eaten and the poor will benefit, not just a celebration of a "battle proof" where thousands of animals are slaughtered at once for no reason? It should anyway not animals to be slaughtered by the people who do not go on the pilgrimage, or am I wrong there?
For me therefore arised several questions:
What battles has really allowed?
If the ducts, the only method that can be used to kill an animal?
Why do religious leaders say, an anesthetic is not allowed when the anesthesia does not even kill the animal?
Is not it against the morality of the Qur'an, when are big animals such as cattle or camels slaughtered without anesthesia and with no humanity.?
Is not known to the victim himself as a religious sacrifice, as such, the Qur'an as a sacrilege `?
If, after the Koran could not "sacrifice" from the former colonies are replaced with the slaughter, if there is a need?(meaning real hunger, so that the people eat all from the meat and also take the skin and everything for use)
Is this a thousand times battles on Eid compatible with the Koran?
Is the sacrifice to God with the Quranic statement compatible?
Thank you for your thoughts and help on my questions.
And i hope that you understand the translation from Google

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Islamic Duties / Slaughter of animals

« on: January 01, 2012, 05:50:30 AM »

Salamu aleikum
I have a question about the slauther. To be halal according to Islam, then the word means in Arabic" Ibah" slaughter.
Opinions differ very much whether the animal is not really suffering.
One side points out that with the cut immediately the nerves are cut to the brain, the other side emphasized that the animal until it bleeds to death,  pain remains. Since God is certainly not advocated torture for me in the room: Is not permitted by the Koran side to stun the animals before? Thank you for your help. peace