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Assalamu Alaykum

Inshallah everyone is doing well.  I have a question for Brother Joseph Islam or anyone else who knows the answer, regarding Surah 10 Ayah 38-39.   This is in regards to brother Joseph's article "Produce a Surah like it" :

http://quransmessage.com/articles/produce%20a%20surah%20FM3.htm

In the article, he mentions that :

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As is clear from the above verse, the reason that the challenge could never be met was not because the language of the Quran was far too superior for the them to emulate but because the 'bi'ilmihi walama yatihiim tawiluh' (knowledge of its interpretation) had not yet been completed nor could they yet encompass it's knowledge (bima lam yuhitu bi'ilmihi).


If possible, please provide more clarification on how the lack of knowledge of the interpretation of the Quran or the lack of being able to encompass the knowledge of the Quran, lead the Pagan Arabs to fail at meeting the challenge of the Quran?   What is the ayah referring to when it mentions "knowledge of the interpretation of the Quran and being able to encompass its knowledge"?

Do we have enough knowledge of the interpretation of the Quran today and are we able to encompass its knowledge today so the Quranic challenge can be met?   If not, doesn't that imply that the Quran is a miracle?


Thank you

May Allah Bless you all Insha Allah

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General Discussions / A thesis on the meaning of SALAT in the Quran.
« Last post by Cihan on August 26, 2023, 02:46:43 AM »
Salam brothers and sisters.

I have compiled a thesis regarding SALAT in the Quran. It is quite long so I have uploaded it as a PDF and the link is below.

It is a deep analysis so it is rather long but I would love your input. Please copy and paste the URL below into your browsers search bar and download. My email is buyukbas.c@gmail.com. If you wish I can send it to you directly. All questions, discussions and criticisms are welcome.

https://www.slideshare.net/CihanBuyukbas/salat-thesispdf

Kind Regards
Cihan Buyukbas
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Islamic Duties / A thesis on the meaning of SALAT in the Quran.
« Last post by Cihan on August 26, 2023, 02:45:08 AM »
Salam brothers and sisters.

I have compiled a thesis regarding SALAT in the Quran. It is quite long so I have uploaded it as a PDF and the link is below.

It is a deep analysis so it is rather long but I would love your input. Please copy and paste the URL below into your browsers search bar and download. My email is buyukbas.c@gmail.com. If you wish I can send it to you directly. All questions, discussions and criticisms are welcome.

https://www.slideshare.net/CihanBuyukbas/salat-thesispdf

Kind Regards
Cihan Buyukbas
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Discussions / Are we overdue for a period of Islamic renaissance?
« Last post by Naeem Xapha on July 30, 2023, 10:05:25 PM »
Peace be upon you, brothers and sisters.

I was in a conversation this week with a close friend; a casual chat triggered by this year's Muharram events around the world. I suggested to him that what we are seeing here - such zealous demonstrations of lament- are the result of a political offshoot of Islam based on hearsay and questionable written/oral transmissions; that these highly emotive public marches seem to have no obvious support from the Quran. I further suggested that by not observing these particular annual practices, it would not detract one from being a Muslim; they were unnecessary. My friend disagreed with me wholeheartedly. He may even be wondering whether I have become an infidel.

My post here is not really about the events associated with the traditions surrounding the first Islamic month, but more about how we seem to be moving further and further away from what Allah requires of us. I am troubled by the evolutionary dilution of our faith over time; I am frustrated by having to keep silent when listening to stories being told by our mass-produced clergy during mosque sermons; and by the ranks of self-appointed scholars who plague YouTube... and who appear to enjoy a substantial following. Their talks seem to be based almost entirely on non- Quranic sources, although told with great conviction and evangelical passion. Their ever-popular version of Islam is further propagated elsewhere online and on religious TV shows.

Closer to home, my two young sons have started to accompany their friends to local mosques, where "enlightened speakers" come to give talks on various matters. The boys sometimes come away doubting whether they are committing haram. For example, by listening to music- even instrumental music. Not being learned enough to deal with such controversies, I simply say to them: If the Quran is silent on a matter, use your own judgement and discretion.

Once, one of their (generally polite and respectable) friends asked me: "Uncle, do you believe in the moon being split by the Prophet?".

My reply to him was something along the lines of: If it did happen then it would be entirely through Allah's power, but as there seems to be no independently recorded event of this being observed elsewhere in the world, I would have to say that it may not have occurred in the way most Muslims believe. He was quite upset upon hearing this and asked me if I knew more than the scholars did? Flippantly, I said "Yes. Because I prefer Allah's evidence over that compiled by men". I may have dented what little credibility I may have had with the young man.

(If you are confused about this post and wondering what on earth is he going on about, please try to question almost anyone whether it is necessary to follow our hadith, in order to be a believer... in my experience, even questioning this labels you as a non-Muslim!)

I think that here I am simply sharing my thoughts with a wider audience in the hope that others may have experienced similar occasions of frustration, and to determine whether they also feel that so many of us have become little more than what the Orientalists used to call us: "Mohamedans".
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General Discussions / About R' (or Ra):Searching for Truth
« Last post by Ad Sep on July 11, 2023, 02:10:13 AM »
Here is a conversation on youtube with the title:
رع اسطوره مصر القديمه

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChSY_arE9_SeQIFWkUpvW0w/community?lb=UgkxTpdbGlrga3W9d3Y3DOv0L0B44rXo4gIM

@user-ox2us4wj8j
Ra is Not a Legend (ر' ليس باسطورة)

Do you know about the R’ Pyramids of the Qur’an (القرءان)?

To know more about R’,
Search the internet for Ra The Law of One..
The youtube session 2, there is Mohammad.

Try a small exercise,
write the (19) letters of Basmalah from right bottom up then down, into a pyramid shape,
 in Qur’an this is called Mathani (مثاني), i.e. folded shapes.
You will find the letter (ر) right at the top of the pyramid.

Do the same for (الحمد لله رب العلمين) as written in the Mushaf..
Look at R’.

All gratitude is to The ONE God.
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@Ra.85
5 days ago
لا اله الا الله أن سيدنا محمد رسول الله
احنا بنتكلم عن حياة الحضارة الفرعونية ومعتقداتهم في ذلك الوقت
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@user-ox2us4wj8j
2 days ago
إِذَا تُتْلَى عَلَيْهِ آيَاتُنَا قَالَ أَسَاطِيرُ الأَوَّلِينَ (68:15)

إِذَا تُتْلَى عَلَيْهِ آيَاتُنَا قَالَ أَسَاطِيرُ الأَوَّلِينَ  (83:13)

وَإِذَا تُتْلَى عَلَيْهِمْ آيَاتُنَا بَيِّنَاتٍ قَالُوا مَا هَذَا إِلاَّ رَجُلٌ يُرِيدُ أَن يَصُدَّكُمْ عَمَّا كَانَ يَعْبُدُ آبَاؤُكُمْ وَقَالُوا مَا هَذَا إِلاَّ إِفْكٌ مُّفْتَرًى
وَقَالَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا لِلْحَقِّ لَمَّا جَاءَهُمْ إِنْ هَذَا إِلاَّ سِحْرٌ مُّبِينٌ (34:43)

وَإِذَا تُتْلَى عَلَيْهِمْ آيَاتُنَا قَالُواْ قَدْ سَمِعْنَا لَوْ نَشَاء لَقُلْنَا مِثْلَ هَذَا إِنْ هَذَا إِلاَّ أَسَاطِيرُ الأَوَّلِينَ (8:31)

Alhamdulellah The Lord of All Worlds
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Women / Re: Divorce
« Last post by optimist on June 30, 2023, 01:30:49 PM »
Sorry my bad. So I’ll list the questions below

1) for Khula or ransoming out of the marriage does wife need the husbands agreement? If she does then what happens when the husband forces her to stay when she doesn’t want to?
2) in case of abuse by the husband does she still have to pay the mahr back if she wants to leave him?
3) a man can divorce without any reason but a woman cannot?

Assalamu alaikum dear sister,

The divorce process in the Quran is actually very simple.   The terms like khulh and Fasq are not mentioned in the Quran.  They are developed later by the clergy to unfairly support men.  The Quranic direction in 4:35 is that, "If you fear a breach between them (the couple), the concerned authority should constitute a board of arbitration consisting of two members, one from his family and the other from hers”. Here, the focus is strained 'husband and wife relationship' where the parties find it difficult continue the relationship, and this by default means the complainant may be the man or the woman; in both cases, as per the Quran, it is the duty of society to appoint an arbitration board.  This right is not exclusively for man.  Those who say otherwise in fact challenging the Laws of Allah stipulated in the Quran.   Same like a husband can initiate divorce, a woman has also the same right. 

Moreover, in verse 4:128 it says if a wife fears cruelty or desertion, both parties should try to reach 'sulhu', again the focus here is  mediation. If mediation not successful the natural consequence will be divorce.  The wife has the authority to handle the situation through a mediator suggested by her from her family and a mediator appointed from husband's family in a dignified manner.  If no solution they can seperate (divorce)

The Quran doesn't consider divorce as a crime.  If there is any problem (be it anything) a woman can demand the qadi or court to appoint arbitrators. Quran does recognise personal likes and dislikes of both man and woman, but tries maximum to keep the marriage relationship going. The Quran earnestly requests both parties to respect each other,  reconcile and find solutions to their problems.  In 4:19 Allah says *"...live with them honourably. If you dislike something about them do not resolve immediately to separate from them. It is possible that something you dislike may bring about abundant good for you."*
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General Discussions / Re: Hajar al aswad
« Last post by miracle114 on June 18, 2023, 01:54:00 PM »
Salaam Walaikum
Allah says he will fuel he’ll with men and stones.
All praise and worship is for God alone.
The symbols of Allah have been highlighted. The black stone is not one of them. Of the mentioned symbols are Sai, the Ka’aba and the sacrificial animals.

That [is so]. And whoever honors the symbols [i.e., rites] of Allāh - indeed, it is from the piety of hearts.

Al-Hajj, Ayah 32

Aggression is discouraged by Allah.

O you who have believed, do not violate the rites of Allāh or [the sanctity of] the sacred month or [neglect the marking of] the sacrificial animals and garlanding [them] or [violate the safety of] those coming to the Sacred House seeking bounty from their Lord and [His] approval. But when you come out of iḥrām, then [you may] hunt. And do not let the hatred of a people for having obstructed you from al-Masjid al-Ḥarām lead you to transgress. And cooperate in righteousness and piety, but do not cooperate in sin and aggression. And fear Allāh; indeed, Allāh is severe in penalty.

To call the black stone the hand of Allah without authority from Allah is attributing a lie to Allah. Allah is Most Merciful but also severe in punishment and retribution but Forgiving of Mistakes.

Peace and blessings of Allah be upon you’ll.

Al-Ma'idah, Ayah 2

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General Discussions / Surah 4:127 different rulings for the prophet
« Last post by miracle114 on June 15, 2023, 05:19:41 PM »
Salaam all,

In 4:127 Allah says he has given a ruling to the prophet and in the Book as well.
What is the wisdom behind this? Why has Allah mentioned this?
One could assume that the prophet had a separate ruling because he had direct revelation from God but the revelation for al mankind is the book so we are to adhere to the book.
OR traditionalists might argue now that the prophet had rulings/laws revealed to him that were recorded separately and need to be followed.

Peace brothers and sisters

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General Discussions / Re: Searching for Truth
« Last post by Wakas on June 14, 2023, 01:07:41 AM »
How does that in any way highlight errors with or disprove The Quran?

I'm sorry but your credibility is fading.

Maybe you weren't referring to flaws in Quran, that's just how your post came across. It seems you are maybe saying Islam is from the Magi religion. IF that is what you're implying then your post above which is apparently their strongest argument doesn't prove much, if anything. Where is their references? Where is their smoking gun?

In any case you are not being clear. Rather than cutting and pasting why not also elaborate what point they are apparently making.
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