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General Discussions / Re: Can Muslim women marry Jewish Christians men? (NO)
« on: September 22, 2016, 01:43:35 AM »
Dear Joseph A. Islam,
Peace be upon you,
I read your article regarding the Quran is silent of weather Muslim women should marry non-Muslim man i.e. People of the book "Jews and Christians".
http://quransmessage.com/articles/marriage%20with%20people%20of%20the%20book%20FM3.htm
According to Quran, it's clearly tell us it is impermissible.
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِذَا جَاءَكُمُ الْمُؤْمِنَاتُ مُهَاجِرَاتٍ فَامْتَحِنُوهُنَّ اللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِإِيمَانِهِنَّ فَإِنْ عَلِمْتُمُوهُنَّ مُؤْمِنَاتٍ فَلَا تَرْجِعُوهُنَّ إِلَى الْكُفَّارِ لَا هُنَّ حِلٌّ لَّهُمْ وَلَا هُمْ يَحِلُّونَ لَهُنَّ وَآتُوهُم مَّا أَنفَقُوا وَلَا جُنَاحَ عَلَيْكُمْ أَن تَنكِحُوهُنَّ إِذَا آتَيْتُمُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ وَلَا تُمْسِكُوا بِعِصَمِ الْكَوَافِرِ وَاسْأَلُوا مَا أَنفَقْتُمْ وَلْيَسْأَلُوا
مَا أَنفَقُوا ذَٰلِكُمْ حُكْمُ اللَّهِ يَحْكُمُ بَيْنَكُمْ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ الممتحنة (10)
Pickthall: O ye who believe! When believing women come unto you as fugitives, examine them. Allah is Best Aware of their faith. Then, if ye know them for true believers, send them not back unto the disbelievers. They are not lawful for them (the disbelievers), nor are they (the disbelievers) lawful for them. And give them (the disbelievers) that which they have spent (upon them). And it is no sin for you to marry such women when ye have given them their dues. And hold not to the ties of disbelieving women; and ask for (the return of) that which ye have spent; and let them (the disbelievers) ask for that which they have spent. That is the judgment of Allah. He judgeth between you. Allah is Knower, Wise.
Allah prohibited the returning of the believers females to the disbelievers. Returning means that they will either reside, work, marry, etc. from them. I also read your articles that Quran tells us that Christian and Jewish are People of the book, and not Kafir (disbelievers). So, it's necessary automatic all of them are disbelievers.
لَّقَدْ كَفَرَ الَّذِينَ قَالُوا إِنَّ اللَّهَ هُوَ الْمَسِيحُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ المائدة (17) Verily they are unbelievers who say: "The Messiah, son of Mary, is God."
وَقَالَتِ الْيَهُودُ عُزَيْرٌ ابْنُ اللَّهِ وَقَالَتِ النَّصَارَى الْمَسِيحُ ابْنُ اللَّهِ ذَٰلِكَ قَوْلُهُم بِأَفْوَاهِهِمْ يُضَاهِئُونَ قَوْلَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا مِن قَبْلُ قَاتَلَهُمُ اللَّهُ أَنَّىٰ يُؤْفَكُونَ التوبة (30)
The Jews say: "Ezra is the son of God;" the Christians say: "Christ is the son of God." That is what they say with their tongues following assertions made by unbelievers before them. May they be damned by God: How perverse are they!
I heard many claims from my Muslims fellows that Jews told them that it's not true, they don't call Ezra "son of God". I told them who do you believe, Allah or the Jewish! They said that they may used to say it but not any more. I said, did you open their hearts and verify that they are telling the truth! I told them, is not today we hear them saying in their tongues that they are the children of God (including the Christians)!
وَلَا تَقُولُوا ثَلَاثَةٌ انتَهُوا خَيْرًا لَّكُمْ إِنَّمَا اللَّهُ إِلَٰهٌ وَاحِدٌ سُبْحَانَهُ أَن يَكُونَ لَهُ وَلَدٌ النساء (171) and do not call Him 'Trinity'. Abstain from this for your own good; for God is only one God, and far from His glory is it to beget a son.
Your argument that how about those among the Christian and Jewish that they do good actions. Quran said:
ان الله لا يغفر ان يشرك به ويغفر ما دون ذلك لمن يشاء ومن يشرك بالله فقد افترى اثما عظيما النساء (48)
Yusuf Ali: Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed.
How about these verses:
تَكَادُ السَّمَاوَاتُ يَتَفَطَّرْنَ مِنْهُ وَتَنشَقُّ الْأَرْضُ وَتَخِرُّ الْجِبَالُ هَدًّا مريم (90)
Yusuf Ali: At it the skies are ready to burst, the earth to split asunder, and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin,
أَن دَعَوْا لِلرَّحْمَٰنِ وَلَدًا مريم (91) Pickthall: That ye ascribe unto the Beneficent a son,
Is not today all sects of Christians and Jewish ascribe themselves that they are the children of God.
وَقَالَتِ الْيَهُودُ وَالنَّصَارَىٰ نَحْنُ أَبْنَاءُ اللَّهِ وَأَحِبَّاؤُهُ المائدة (18) Yusuf Ali: (Both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are sons of Allah, and his beloved."
Regarding the deeds they do:
وَقَدِمْنَا إِلَىٰ مَا عَمِلُوا مِنْ عَمَلٍ فَجَعَلْنَاهُ هَبَاءً مَّنثُورًا الفرقان (23)
Yusuf Ali: And We shall turn to whatever deeds they did (in this life), and We shall make such deeds as floating dust scattered about.
According to the above it's clearly that it's impermissible. However, there is still one argument of how about those who never heard about Quran from People of the book "Jews and Christians" or any other creed and are doing good actions.
وَمِن قَوْمِ مُوسَىٰ أُمَّةٌ يَهْدُونَ بِالْحَقِّ وَبِهِ يَعْدِلُونَ الأعراف (159)
Sahih International: And among the people of Moses is a community which guides by truth and by it establishes justice.
وَمِمَّنْ خَلَقْنَا أُمَّةٌ يَهْدُونَ بِالْحَقِّ وَبِهِ يَعْدِلُونَ الأعراف (181)
Sahih International: And among those We created is a community which guides by truth and thereby establishes justice.
That's fine but Allah also said:
وَمَا كُنَّا مُعَذِّبِينَ حَتَّىٰ نَبْعَثَ رَسُولًا الإسراء (15) We never punish till We have sent a messenger.
Therefore, it's a duty (obligation) of a Muslim female to deliver the message of Allah (Quran) to the disbeliever man that is planning to marry before she marry him, and if he accepts it, then ONLY in this situation can marry him.
And if you choose not to deliver for him the message of Quran before marriage, you should know that Allah also forbid you even to reside with him in the same house if you hear him saying we are the children of God.
وَقَدْ نَزَّلَ عَلَيْكُمْ فِي الْكِتَابِ أَنْ إِذَا سَمِعْتُمْ آيَاتِ اللَّهِ يُكْفَرُ بِهَا وَيُسْتَهْزَأُ بِهَا فَلَا تَقْعُدُوا مَعَهُمْ حَتَّىٰ يَخُوضُوا فِي حَدِيثٍ غَيْرِهِ إِنَّكُمْ إِذًا مِّثْلُهُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ جَامِعُ الْمُنَافِقِينَ وَالْكَافِرِينَ فِي جَهَنَّمَ جَمِيعًا النساء (140)
Pickthall: He hath already revealed unto you in the Scripture that, when ye hear the revelations of Allah rejected and derided, (ye) sit not with them (who disbelieve and mock) until they engage in some other conversation. Lo! in that case (if ye stayed) ye would be like unto them. Lo! Allah will gather hypocrites and disbelievers, all together, into hell;
النساء (94) يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِذَا ضَرَبْتُمْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ فَتَبَيَّنُوا وَلَا تَقُولُوا لِمَنْ أَلْقَىٰ إِلَيْكُمُ السَّلَامَ لَسْتَ مُؤْمِنًا
Yusuf Ali: O ye who believe! When ye go abroad in the cause of Allah, investigate carefully, and say not to any one who offers you a salutation: "Thou art none of a believer!"
He must first utter his believe (testimony), and then during engagement period, you must ensure as much as possible that he is following Quran i.e. pray, doesn't gamble (lottery), doesn't drink alcohol, etc. One may say how do I know if he is not lying (acting) during engagement, since Allah alone knows what is in the heart. In this situation, there will be no blame on you because you have followed what Allah has ordered you to do. However, the minute you discover during marriage that he is associating others with God (Shirk) and he doesn't desist, then you must immediately divorce him.
وَلَا نُكَلِّفُ نَفْسًا إِلَّا وُسْعَهَا وَلَدَيْنَا كِتَابٌ يَنطِقُ بِالْحَقِّ وَهُمْ لَا يُظْلَمُونَ المؤمنون (62)
Sahih International: And We charge no soul except [with that within] its capacity, and with Us is a record which speaks with truth; and they will not be wronged.
With peace and respect,
Peace be upon you,
I read your article regarding the Quran is silent of weather Muslim women should marry non-Muslim man i.e. People of the book "Jews and Christians".
http://quransmessage.com/articles/marriage%20with%20people%20of%20the%20book%20FM3.htm
According to Quran, it's clearly tell us it is impermissible.
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِذَا جَاءَكُمُ الْمُؤْمِنَاتُ مُهَاجِرَاتٍ فَامْتَحِنُوهُنَّ اللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِإِيمَانِهِنَّ فَإِنْ عَلِمْتُمُوهُنَّ مُؤْمِنَاتٍ فَلَا تَرْجِعُوهُنَّ إِلَى الْكُفَّارِ لَا هُنَّ حِلٌّ لَّهُمْ وَلَا هُمْ يَحِلُّونَ لَهُنَّ وَآتُوهُم مَّا أَنفَقُوا وَلَا جُنَاحَ عَلَيْكُمْ أَن تَنكِحُوهُنَّ إِذَا آتَيْتُمُوهُنَّ أُجُورَهُنَّ وَلَا تُمْسِكُوا بِعِصَمِ الْكَوَافِرِ وَاسْأَلُوا مَا أَنفَقْتُمْ وَلْيَسْأَلُوا
مَا أَنفَقُوا ذَٰلِكُمْ حُكْمُ اللَّهِ يَحْكُمُ بَيْنَكُمْ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ الممتحنة (10)
Pickthall: O ye who believe! When believing women come unto you as fugitives, examine them. Allah is Best Aware of their faith. Then, if ye know them for true believers, send them not back unto the disbelievers. They are not lawful for them (the disbelievers), nor are they (the disbelievers) lawful for them. And give them (the disbelievers) that which they have spent (upon them). And it is no sin for you to marry such women when ye have given them their dues. And hold not to the ties of disbelieving women; and ask for (the return of) that which ye have spent; and let them (the disbelievers) ask for that which they have spent. That is the judgment of Allah. He judgeth between you. Allah is Knower, Wise.
Allah prohibited the returning of the believers females to the disbelievers. Returning means that they will either reside, work, marry, etc. from them. I also read your articles that Quran tells us that Christian and Jewish are People of the book, and not Kafir (disbelievers). So, it's necessary automatic all of them are disbelievers.
لَّقَدْ كَفَرَ الَّذِينَ قَالُوا إِنَّ اللَّهَ هُوَ الْمَسِيحُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ المائدة (17) Verily they are unbelievers who say: "The Messiah, son of Mary, is God."
وَقَالَتِ الْيَهُودُ عُزَيْرٌ ابْنُ اللَّهِ وَقَالَتِ النَّصَارَى الْمَسِيحُ ابْنُ اللَّهِ ذَٰلِكَ قَوْلُهُم بِأَفْوَاهِهِمْ يُضَاهِئُونَ قَوْلَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا مِن قَبْلُ قَاتَلَهُمُ اللَّهُ أَنَّىٰ يُؤْفَكُونَ التوبة (30)
The Jews say: "Ezra is the son of God;" the Christians say: "Christ is the son of God." That is what they say with their tongues following assertions made by unbelievers before them. May they be damned by God: How perverse are they!
I heard many claims from my Muslims fellows that Jews told them that it's not true, they don't call Ezra "son of God". I told them who do you believe, Allah or the Jewish! They said that they may used to say it but not any more. I said, did you open their hearts and verify that they are telling the truth! I told them, is not today we hear them saying in their tongues that they are the children of God (including the Christians)!
وَلَا تَقُولُوا ثَلَاثَةٌ انتَهُوا خَيْرًا لَّكُمْ إِنَّمَا اللَّهُ إِلَٰهٌ وَاحِدٌ سُبْحَانَهُ أَن يَكُونَ لَهُ وَلَدٌ النساء (171) and do not call Him 'Trinity'. Abstain from this for your own good; for God is only one God, and far from His glory is it to beget a son.
Your argument that how about those among the Christian and Jewish that they do good actions. Quran said:
ان الله لا يغفر ان يشرك به ويغفر ما دون ذلك لمن يشاء ومن يشرك بالله فقد افترى اثما عظيما النساء (48)
Yusuf Ali: Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed.
How about these verses:
تَكَادُ السَّمَاوَاتُ يَتَفَطَّرْنَ مِنْهُ وَتَنشَقُّ الْأَرْضُ وَتَخِرُّ الْجِبَالُ هَدًّا مريم (90)
Yusuf Ali: At it the skies are ready to burst, the earth to split asunder, and the mountains to fall down in utter ruin,
أَن دَعَوْا لِلرَّحْمَٰنِ وَلَدًا مريم (91) Pickthall: That ye ascribe unto the Beneficent a son,
Is not today all sects of Christians and Jewish ascribe themselves that they are the children of God.
وَقَالَتِ الْيَهُودُ وَالنَّصَارَىٰ نَحْنُ أَبْنَاءُ اللَّهِ وَأَحِبَّاؤُهُ المائدة (18) Yusuf Ali: (Both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are sons of Allah, and his beloved."
Regarding the deeds they do:
وَقَدِمْنَا إِلَىٰ مَا عَمِلُوا مِنْ عَمَلٍ فَجَعَلْنَاهُ هَبَاءً مَّنثُورًا الفرقان (23)
Yusuf Ali: And We shall turn to whatever deeds they did (in this life), and We shall make such deeds as floating dust scattered about.
According to the above it's clearly that it's impermissible. However, there is still one argument of how about those who never heard about Quran from People of the book "Jews and Christians" or any other creed and are doing good actions.
وَمِن قَوْمِ مُوسَىٰ أُمَّةٌ يَهْدُونَ بِالْحَقِّ وَبِهِ يَعْدِلُونَ الأعراف (159)
Sahih International: And among the people of Moses is a community which guides by truth and by it establishes justice.
وَمِمَّنْ خَلَقْنَا أُمَّةٌ يَهْدُونَ بِالْحَقِّ وَبِهِ يَعْدِلُونَ الأعراف (181)
Sahih International: And among those We created is a community which guides by truth and thereby establishes justice.
That's fine but Allah also said:
وَمَا كُنَّا مُعَذِّبِينَ حَتَّىٰ نَبْعَثَ رَسُولًا الإسراء (15) We never punish till We have sent a messenger.
Therefore, it's a duty (obligation) of a Muslim female to deliver the message of Allah (Quran) to the disbeliever man that is planning to marry before she marry him, and if he accepts it, then ONLY in this situation can marry him.
And if you choose not to deliver for him the message of Quran before marriage, you should know that Allah also forbid you even to reside with him in the same house if you hear him saying we are the children of God.
وَقَدْ نَزَّلَ عَلَيْكُمْ فِي الْكِتَابِ أَنْ إِذَا سَمِعْتُمْ آيَاتِ اللَّهِ يُكْفَرُ بِهَا وَيُسْتَهْزَأُ بِهَا فَلَا تَقْعُدُوا مَعَهُمْ حَتَّىٰ يَخُوضُوا فِي حَدِيثٍ غَيْرِهِ إِنَّكُمْ إِذًا مِّثْلُهُمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ جَامِعُ الْمُنَافِقِينَ وَالْكَافِرِينَ فِي جَهَنَّمَ جَمِيعًا النساء (140)
Pickthall: He hath already revealed unto you in the Scripture that, when ye hear the revelations of Allah rejected and derided, (ye) sit not with them (who disbelieve and mock) until they engage in some other conversation. Lo! in that case (if ye stayed) ye would be like unto them. Lo! Allah will gather hypocrites and disbelievers, all together, into hell;
النساء (94) يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِذَا ضَرَبْتُمْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ فَتَبَيَّنُوا وَلَا تَقُولُوا لِمَنْ أَلْقَىٰ إِلَيْكُمُ السَّلَامَ لَسْتَ مُؤْمِنًا
Yusuf Ali: O ye who believe! When ye go abroad in the cause of Allah, investigate carefully, and say not to any one who offers you a salutation: "Thou art none of a believer!"
He must first utter his believe (testimony), and then during engagement period, you must ensure as much as possible that he is following Quran i.e. pray, doesn't gamble (lottery), doesn't drink alcohol, etc. One may say how do I know if he is not lying (acting) during engagement, since Allah alone knows what is in the heart. In this situation, there will be no blame on you because you have followed what Allah has ordered you to do. However, the minute you discover during marriage that he is associating others with God (Shirk) and he doesn't desist, then you must immediately divorce him.
وَلَا نُكَلِّفُ نَفْسًا إِلَّا وُسْعَهَا وَلَدَيْنَا كِتَابٌ يَنطِقُ بِالْحَقِّ وَهُمْ لَا يُظْلَمُونَ المؤمنون (62)
Sahih International: And We charge no soul except [with that within] its capacity, and with Us is a record which speaks with truth; and they will not be wronged.
With peace and respect,