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General Discussions / Re: Death pain in Qurans perspective
« on: April 17, 2019, 05:15:45 AM »
Yes . It is prevailing that death pain is so severe and has a grade . For example prophets got less pain but in Islami secondary sources said it was also so severe . So per Islami secondery  sources we general people should receive more severe pain than Prophet . It is also said a prophet ( can not remember name) asked Angel of death in paradise how he took away his soul the reason Prophet got severe pain at the death point. Angel said it was his best to give less pain to Prophet so far he took away the lives of the people. According to Hadiths wrong doers must face optimum level of death pain and rightious will receive less pain . But a minimum pain is compulsory for all.

My question actually is that why death pain will have grade ? I never hear from Quran such type of grading of pain.  I believe according to Quran before Day of Judgement nobody will not be declared
Rightious or wrong doers so why God will apply the pain to a person less or severe . Hope you got my point .

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General Discussions / Re: Death pain in Qurans perspective
« on: April 16, 2019, 08:28:59 PM »
Dear Brother Joseph
As- salamualikum . Hope you had no patience to read my long topics . I apologize you if you bother for that . Actually I could not fix how to ask you my question  and if I not stated elaborately you may not understand my question .
So please see my ultimate question on this topic.

My question in earthly capacity men can die within a second like in explosive , in gun point etc... so how this life suffer severe pain at the point of death. Moreover , why God will give  someone severe pain based on his bad deeds in the earth. If so then without trial how God can apply severe death pain to a men ? Pls input your thought .

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Brother Joseph ,
Salamun Alaikum.  I really grateful to you for giving me the time . I like your  logic and thoughts in Quran's perspective .  It will help me to understand many more things in the light of Quran.

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General Discussions / Death pain in Qurans perspective
« on: April 14, 2019, 05:06:33 AM »
Dear Brother Joseph
As- salamualikum . I always hankering after your input of my any topics. I hope if you get time you
Will input your thought on my said topics.

Many Scolars , many Muslims try to measure the death pain or pain at the point of death. My philosophy or judgement based on Quran death is a normal phenomenon for human life. So far I know I did not find that Quran says anything about the pain at the point of death. It will come on a sudden and take away the soul of human being and will enter in Barjakh where time concept is lost. I never find or never heard that God describes about the pain at the death point . He alarms only to fear the Day of resurction and hell fire where severe pain of fire is waiting . But now many muslim scholar and in Islami secondary sources states that prophet Mohammad discribed the pain at his death point and sought to all mighty some waive of pain to his followers. Per Islami secondary sources prophet Mohammad has been given a extreme less of pain what he was not bearing and was thinking for his
followers how they will bear this death pain. Where prophet himself received death with a very cordial
process by angel of death but it was so severe than his followers will receive 100 times severe than Prophet Mohammad (Pbuh). My question in earthly capacity men can die within a second like in explosive , in gun point etc... so how this life suffer severe pain at the point of death. Moreover , why God will give  someone severe pain based on his bad deeds in the earth. If so then without trial how God can apply severe death pain to a men ? Pls input your thought .

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Dear Brother Joseph ,
I like you to input your thought on this thread. Many scholars try to show example of methemetical linguistic miracle of many Surah like Al Bakara ( Surah # 2) has 286 verses. And middle of this Surah the verse number # 143 which state middle nation .....
beside this they try to prove the athenticity of the Quran by showing some miracle methemetical consistency from many Surah . My question is , this type of methemetical consistency really significant to invite non believers to accept Quoran’s message as God’s scripture ? Some scholar try to prove the athenticity of the Quran when science is discovering the truth which was stated in Quran 1400  years ago . My question is also , was God waiting for the advanced world when men will discover the truth ? If so then what was the use of those Surah and verses for the people 1400 years ago ? I hope you are getting my points .  Pls input your thought .

Thanks . God bless you.

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Dear All ,
I like some more person in this forum to input their opinion to reject such scholars . How I can underestimated this type of scholars ?   

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Dear all .
Salamun Alaikum . I basically like the way of analyzing of brother Joseph A. Islam regarding Quran and it's all verses . I also like that he nevr base the Hadth ( Islami secondary sources ) to get best meaning of any verse from the Quran. There are 1.4 million Hadith which created many contradiction between verses . As a result many Christian Scholars refer those hadith to degradation of Quran's message. I am praying to all mighty Allah for his live long and give opportunity to spread the knowledge to among the people to take the truth .  I always try to hear many debates between Christian scholars like David Wodd , Mike Licona, Samual Green , and Muslim Scholars like Ahmed Deedat , Shabit Ali , Mohhamed Hijab , Jakir Nyak etc...... My questions is why brother Jospeh Islam not participate in this type of debate in the world or not published in you-tube or social media ?  Nodybody in my area knows about such highly scholars (I have ever seen  ) .  Please answer anybody on this topic the reason of wisdom for him to not disclose or spread his knowledge .


 


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General Discussions / Re: Do women say Salah during menstruation ?
« on: March 25, 2019, 09:44:57 PM »
Dear Brother Athman
Salamun Alaikum . You have well explained the matter and I am clear now  . May Allah Bless you.
Thank you so much .

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General Discussions / Do women say Salah during menstruation ?
« on: March 25, 2019, 06:41:57 PM »
Dear Brother Joseph
Salamun Alaikum . I have gone through your thread that women can fast during menstruation if not feel sick .
But I did not find if women can say Salah at this time . Please make me clear .

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Dear Brother Joseph,
Salamun Alaikum . I gone through your significant thread about Zakat and understand there is no fixation on Zakat for Muslim .
My question is I am paying income tax to the government . Is Zakat and Salah Farj for any individuals or any community ?
Since Quran mentioned for Zakah and Salah simultaneously so is it the compulsory for a government to established Zakat and Salah ?
If the Chief of the State Non Muslim ( Disbeliever)  then how a Muslim  ( Believer ) can establish Salah and Zakat ?  If Zakat means Tax on income then will it be okay for a Muslim when Government is not a Muslim  ? Sadaka is different and any Muslim can spend any amount to the specific ground what Quran specified already . But about Zakah there is no mention ( may be )  where  it should be spent .
Is Zakat Farj against idle preserved ornament ( gold) belong to a spouse ? Many Muslim teacher here give a "Fatoa" that Zakah must be paid on idle gold which preserved at home belonging a women . I can not justify this concept in the light of  Quran .   

Please make me clear to follow the instructions from God .

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Dear Brother Joseph,
Salamun Alaikum . I gone through your significant thread about Zakat and understand there is no fixation on Zakat for Muslim .
My question is I am paying income tax to the government . Is Zakat and Salah Farj for any individuals or any community ?
Since Quran mentioned for Zakah and Salah simultaneously so is it the compulsory for a government to established Zakat and Salah ?
If the Chief of the State Non Muslim ( Disbeliever)  then how a Muslim  ( Believer ) can establish Salah and Zakat ?  If Zakat means Tax on income then will it be okay for a Muslim when Government is not a Muslim  ? Sadaka is different and any Muslim can spend any amount to the specific ground what Quran specified already . But about Zakah there is no mention ( may be )  where  it should be spent .
Is Zakat Farj against idle preserved ornament ( gold) belong to a spouse ? Many Muslim teacher here give a "Fatoa" that Zakah must be paid on idle gold which preserved at home belonging a women . I can not justify this concept in the light of  Quran .   

Please make me clear to follow the instructions from God .

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General Discussions / Can I say "Peace be upon you " to a non Muslim ?
« on: March 24, 2019, 08:16:02 PM »
Dear Brother Joseph ,
Salamun Alaikum ,
Can I say "Peace be upon you " to a non Muslim ? Is  "As-sala Mualikum " mentioned in the Quran ?
I need a clear concept on this thread .

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i must follow this rule.

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i must follow this instruction.

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General Discussions / Re: Hajj is Compulsory for the Believers?
« on: March 20, 2019, 02:54:39 PM »
I must follow this instruction .

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