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General Discussions / Re: The Secret of Universe

« on: August 03, 2012, 02:33:03 AM »

Sorry, but this does not answer my question at all.

No matter how you look at 9:14-15, I feel it proves my point NOT yours. Allah clearly intervened and changed the outcome. Even if He uses one people against another, He is exerting His will to change the outcome at a particular point.

Whether He uses others or not is NOT THE ISSUE. Please don't confuse the matter. This is something I feel you often do you in your line of thinking and your posts.

It is Allah's active involvement and Him changing the outcome which is the issue here. Just like when Allah interfered and responded to Zakariyaah's prayer for a child (Surah Mariam). I feel you keep missing the point.

Now back to my example again .............. at the point where someone wants to pull down a church, synagogue etc, How does Allah change the course of action? Who He uses is not the point here. If He can change the course of an outcome, He has interfered. He didn't change His mind on the spot, but He knew something will take place and guided a course of action so that the matter could be stopped.    Thanks Saba

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General Discussions / Re: The Secret of Universe

« on: August 02, 2012, 11:47:20 PM »

I agree with created laws.  But I also think you assume too much. You impose this created law on His will and limit Allah which I feel is wrong.

Also it is not correct in my view that you use your own chosen translations with words such as 'laws established by Allah" to prove your point.

In the following verse, can you prove to me how in your understanding Allah 'stopped' people from pulling down monasteries, churches and synagogues. Remember, it was the will of the people to do this. How did Allah impose His will to stop them when it was their wish to do so?

"..........And had there not been Allah's repelling some people by others, certainly there would have been pulled down cloisters and churches and synagogues and mosques in which Allah's name is much remembered; and surely Allah will help him who helps His cause; most surely Allah is Strong, Mighty...."  22:40   ............Salam

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General Discussions / Re: The Secret of Universe

« on: August 01, 2012, 11:52:28 PM »

Aslamaolaikum Optimist,

To be honest ..... I find your post extremely confusing. What do you mean by laws? laws of physics etc or Allah's will which is not dependent on His created laws???  I feel you are mixing the two up. Also it seems you are thinking of Allah linearly when Truth seeker I feel has clearly said that Allah does not work linearly.

Also please (if u dont mind) can you refrain from making bold statements such as 'this is a misconception' or 'it is not a correct understanding' and kindly prefix it with 'in my opinion or it is my view etc etc '. Sorry, but I feel this would make for better reading and not make you come across as rigid - undisputed authority on Islam - convinced of your position.

If you are an authority, then I am sorry, please can you refer me to your work... articles or website where I can get a better understanding of your views (you don't have to be a scholar but some sort of detailed work or analysis from verses would be nice). This will give your overall view about Islam and how you reached it and not the views of another scholar. At the moment, all I see is you continuously pushing forward another scholar's view which I have seen you do on other threads too.

Because if you are convinced of your position, nothing said here will change your mind and then this forum will only be used as for advertising your scholar's views. Your mind is made.

At the moment, I do not find your views persuasive and it does not deal with any of the verses that truth seeker raised. But don't get me wrong, I really do enjoy some of your posts as well      My two cents .......  Thanx. 

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Women / Re: Does 2:230 condition Hilla marriage?

« on: August 01, 2012, 01:02:49 AM »

PS: I know you have addressed your mail to the 'brothers'. However, there are many 'sisters' on this forum too 

yay!    Thanks brother Joseph.

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Prophets and Messengers / Re: Prophet Yahya

« on: July 24, 2012, 01:29:56 PM »

It is widely known in Christianity, that John baptised Jesus(pbut). The gospels testify to this and each one seemingly adds more to the story than what  actually happened. The Qur'an makes no mention of Yahya "baptizing", but it uses very unique and powerful terms to describe him, some of which aren't casual Arabic words. Examples would include Samiy(Name-sake or elevated), Sayyid(Master), Wali(Protector), Hasur(Concealer[of secrets]), and other exclusive terms you can look up in lexicons. It's also interesting to note that the Mandaeans of Iraq revere "Yahia Yuhanna" as a final prophet and are obsessed with baptizing(multiple times). The Mandaeans refer to themselves as "Sabiun Mandiun", so they could be the Sabians mentioned in the Qur'an. This does not prove John's baptism, but definitely increases his "status" in the minds of mainstream Muslims, with regard to other Prophets(namely Jesus). If he did indeed baptise Jesus, this would indirectly give him a higher rank than Jesus, which would explain why the gospels dramatically change his story. Keep in mind that the Qur'an views all prophets as equal though. 

 Thanks for this! 

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General Discussions / Re: The Secret of Universe

« on: July 15, 2012, 03:27:42 PM »

Aslamaolaikum brother Talib -

I am looking forward to have Dear Optimist's view on this. Simply because I find his reply very helpful and thought provoking. Somehow, I find his reply related to the above concept. Would like to be clarified if I am mistaken.
http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=413.0

I hope you don't mind me giving a reply on this too!!

I think the law of attraction has been criticized to some degree because it has quite a negative side to it too 'Certain bad things happen to people, because they bring it into reality'. Then what about famine, plane crashes, diseases, poverty etc etc?

Also - you could be down in the dumps and in a really bad way thinking of really negative things and then suddenly something really good happens which changes everything. How did those negative thoughts then bring a positive result?? Sometimes you may have no expectation for a certain good to happen and then it does.

Then there is also some confusion over being optimistic and the law of attraction. For example it is good to be optimistic by keeping trust in Allah.

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YUSUFALI: And He provides for him from (sources) he never could imagine. And if any one puts his trust in Allah, sufficient is (Allah) for him. For Allah will surely accomplish his purpose: verily, for all things has Allah appointed a due proportion.

But saying that we bring something into reality as a law of attraction in some ways does away with the need for Allah (Astagfurullah) which is false from an Islamic view I think.

However, some interesting info on Wiki for this and also a discussion blog below which looks at this from an Islamic point of view. The comments are very interesting to the blog (please scroll to the bottom after reading the blog). Saba 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_attraction

http://muslim-mind.com/2011/05/optimism-and-the-law-of-attraction-in-islam/

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General Discussions / Re: 17.59

« on: July 07, 2012, 12:26:11 PM »

Thanks Truthseeker - completely agree with you and got to say though thoroughly enjoyed the debate. However, I do find the 8 points by brother Joseph strong challenges which can't simply be dismissed. I don't find yet any convincing response. Salam - Saba   

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General Discussions / Re: Resurrection explained by a parable

« on: June 19, 2012, 11:37:01 PM »

Aslamaolaikum Optimist

I have been reading this thread very carefully. I note the following verses from the Quran which we should always remember when understanding and studying it.

"An Arabic Quran without any crookedness" [39:28]

"So We have only made it easy in your tongue" [19.97]

"And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand" [54:17]

"And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand" [54:22]

"And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand" [54:32]

"And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand" [54:40]

If you feel that the explanations you are offering satisfy the above, then that is of course, up to you. We are all answerable to Allah on our own.

Please can I say that I do not find your explanations convincing at all and the interpretations you have shared is basically a result of not wanting to accept what the Quran says in basic Arabic speech.

Like Truth-seeker, I think Ghulam Parwez had a problem with accepting certain passages of the Quran when it was clear how the Arabs understood the message which was in clear Arabic speech. Rather than accepting it, he found imaginative ways using dictionaries to reinterpret them.  Saba.

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General Discussions / Re: Allah Guides/Strays. How ?

« on: May 26, 2012, 05:30:38 AM »

Aslamaolaikum brother Talib ,

There was an interesting exchange added on the forum questions and answers to discuss link between knowledge - WISDOM etc. You might find it useful.

http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=402.0

People will always have different opinions and will disagree. That is just natural. But Allah gives wisdom to whom he pleases. This could be due to sincerity, desire and hard work by some people. But Allah grants wisdom according to His will and His will is in His greater wisdom. thanks Saba

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General Discussions / Lot People and Homosexuality

« on: May 26, 2012, 05:23:24 AM »

Aslamaolaikum all ,

I was reading the following link on another forum.

http://www.salaatforum.com/index.php?id=1552

I know homosexual acts are forbidden by the Quran. However, the question put is interesting.

"Taken individually, these behaviors are present in our societies today. I do not think the people of Lot were homosexuals, rather they were criminals and enjoyed subjugating men as their sex slaves"

Is there any ground for this suggestion? Thanks, Saba

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General Discussions / Re: 27.21

« on: May 26, 2012, 05:18:28 AM »

Aslamaolaikum eveyone. Thank you brother Joseph for the post. Very informative and useful.

Chadiga - The translation has so many 'additions'?? is this from the Shiat / Ismaili translation / explanation by Feras Hamza not a translation but a Tafsir of Jalalayn mixed together with the translation? Thanks Saba 

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General Discussions / Re: 27.21

« on: May 25, 2012, 08:31:13 AM »

Good question Chadiga. 

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General Discussions / Re: Aya 17:71

« on: May 25, 2012, 08:26:22 AM »

Salaam,


Do you have the link for that reply by Joseph as I am interested in reading about his view on this verse.

Thanks

Me 2  ...please share link

I  think though the meaning here is anyone that lead them and not any particular type.

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Women / Re: Dating and arrange marriage

« on: April 26, 2012, 02:16:19 AM »

Aslamaolaikum Saya

As far ask I know arranged marriages are not against the Quran if it is meant that one party introduces two prospective partners. However, if arrange marriage means forcing an individual by emotional blackmail or physical abuse or threats, then this would be against the Quran's freedom of an individual to make a complete choice about whether they want to marry someone or not. Also any form of 'forcing' is against the Quran.

Again with dating, it depends how you define 'dating'. The western concept of 'dating' would I think be clearly against the Quran. Saba

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Women / Re: Mutual subitmission

« on: April 26, 2012, 02:11:10 AM »

I believe that marriage is equal subitmission is that wrong.

Aslamaolaikum Saya

I am a little confused with the question. Can you try rephrasing or explain what you mean by 'equal submission'? Thanks. Saba