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General Discussions / Re: Best translations?
« on: August 02, 2016, 12:32:31 PM »
Yes thank you sister Amira, I too have tried Yusuf Ali's edition but it is near incomprehensible, thanks to his Victorian Era prose. Anyone else?
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General Discussions / Best translations?
« on: August 02, 2016, 05:08:54 AM »
Hello everyone. As I shared in my last post, my knowledge of Arabic is limited, and while I am working on learning it, in the meantime, I must rely on translations. Right now, I am using the Sahih International one, which is OK, but I want a better one, so it would be great if you guys could share your thoughts on a variety of English translations, telling me which ones you think are the best, and which ones I should steer clear of. Thanks!
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General Discussions / Re: What ARE the differences between Hafs and Warsh??
« on: July 31, 2016, 09:33:43 AM »
Sorry for the late response, but thank you for your incredibly informative post!! You really helped clear up some misconceptions that I had!! I'm going to stop responding in this particular discussion now, but I look forward to discussing other issues on this forum with all of you. Thank you all!!!
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General Discussions / Re: What ARE the differences between Hafs and Warsh??
« on: July 30, 2016, 08:19:37 PM »
Thank you for your response, Joseph! Here are my questions:
1.) What are the differences between ancient and modern copies of the Quran?
2.) How did Hafs and Warsh originate and why, if it is deemed to be 'incorrect' by the vast majority of Muslims, does Warsh still exist?
And most importantly-
3.)How do we know that the current, mass transmitted Quran is, word-by-word, the scripture that was sent down to the Prophet centuries ago?
Thanks again and I look forward to hearing your response.
wanderer
1.) What are the differences between ancient and modern copies of the Quran?
2.) How did Hafs and Warsh originate and why, if it is deemed to be 'incorrect' by the vast majority of Muslims, does Warsh still exist?
And most importantly-
3.)How do we know that the current, mass transmitted Quran is, word-by-word, the scripture that was sent down to the Prophet centuries ago?
Thanks again and I look forward to hearing your response.
wanderer
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General Discussions / Re: What ARE the differences between Hafs and Warsh??
« on: July 29, 2016, 10:17:33 AM »
Thanks Amira. I've already seen the 'misconceptions' page you recommended and liked it, despite its brevity, and I've also seen Ro Wassem's blog, though I dislike it due to his focus on "progressive Islam". I am very skeptical of "progressive Islam", which I see as an attempt to appease the West and other liberal ideologies. What I love most about this site is how it doesn't try to force an ideology onto the Quran, but just let's the scripture speak for itself. Sadly, as I feared there doesn't seem to be any like it. Nevertheless, thanks for your help.
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General Discussions / Re: What ARE the differences between Hafs and Warsh??
« on: July 29, 2016, 08:06:05 AM »
Yes thank you brother Hamzeh and sister Amira, I am feeling better now. In response to your inquiries, sister Amira, I am a man. Also, another problem I have in my studies is that, like I said before, my family is non-practicing (although my mother has gotten a bit more religious lately) so I feel very alone in trying to interpret the scripture. (Though this forum has helped). Do you guys know any other good, helpful websites that work from a Quranist perspective?
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General Discussions / Re: What ARE the differences between Hafs and Warsh??
« on: July 29, 2016, 02:36:03 AM »
Hi Elijah
Thank you for your kind words. When I say that I am feeling like it is taking over my mind, I don't mean that I'm getting closer to God, just that I'm becoming obsessed with all these details and it's clouding my mind with all these terrible thoughts, making me anxious and depressed. It's definitely not good. I am actually taking courses in Arabic right now, although I am terrible at languages. I just wish I could be confident and firm in myself and my faith instead of scared and weak. Sometimes, I feel as if I'm just one of the hypocrites that they talk about in the Quran. As for the Hafs/Warsh issue, my problem is, how do we know our version that we read and quote today is the correct one and all the others are the aberrations?? Please respond and thanks again
Wanderer
Thank you for your kind words. When I say that I am feeling like it is taking over my mind, I don't mean that I'm getting closer to God, just that I'm becoming obsessed with all these details and it's clouding my mind with all these terrible thoughts, making me anxious and depressed. It's definitely not good. I am actually taking courses in Arabic right now, although I am terrible at languages. I just wish I could be confident and firm in myself and my faith instead of scared and weak. Sometimes, I feel as if I'm just one of the hypocrites that they talk about in the Quran. As for the Hafs/Warsh issue, my problem is, how do we know our version that we read and quote today is the correct one and all the others are the aberrations?? Please respond and thanks again
Wanderer
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General Discussions / Re: What ARE the differences between Hafs and Warsh??
« on: July 28, 2016, 11:35:46 PM »
Thank you for responding to my posts. I am deeply regretful of any hurt I may have caused with my comments. It is just that for the last couple of months I have been in an extremely nervous and depressed state. I come from a Secular Muslim family in America, and I used to be like every other American child (I'm currently 14) Play games, have friends, watch movies, etc. I didn't really know or care much about Islam. Over the last year, however, I started to grow more and more interested in religion, and began studying Islam. After seeing all the atrocious things in the Hadith and how poorly compiled it was, I soon became a Quranist, and let me tell you, finding your site was a real lifesaver. It was the only good website I could find that operated from a Quranic perspective. Lately, I've been reading more and more Quran and thinking about. However, what has happened to me is that it has completely taken over my mind. I can't think of anything else anymore, leaving me in a permanent state of severe anxiety and depression. Sometimes, I have trouble breathing, or just moving around and talking. It's really scary for me and my family, especially since they don't know whats going on. Right know I'm just trying to get some answers on this Hafs/Warsh situation, but if anyone can help me, please do.
Peace,
Wanderer
Peace,
Wanderer
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General Discussions / Re: What ARE the differences between Hafs and Warsh??
« on: July 28, 2016, 02:47:46 PM »
What is the point of continuing tolive as a disbelievers anyway....
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General Discussions / Re: What ARE the differences between Hafs and Warsh??
« on: July 28, 2016, 02:45:43 PM »
So the words in the Hafs Quran aren't the original words of revelation and they have been changed?
? Honestly, at this point I don't know what anything means anymore. I am dead inside. I know already that I am destined to Hell and that Allah despises me as one of the disbelievers and that my existence is utterly worthless but I still want an answer
? Honestly, at this point I don't know what anything means anymore. I am dead inside. I know already that I am destined to Hell and that Allah despises me as one of the disbelievers and that my existence is utterly worthless but I still want an answer
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General Discussions / Re: What ARE the differences between Hafs and Warsh??
« on: July 28, 2016, 12:44:59 PM »
Are you telling me to abandon the Quran??? I knew you were untrustworthy and trying to lead me off the right path!! Someone else try to help me please!!!
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General Discussions / Re: What ARE the differences between Hafs and Warsh??
« on: July 28, 2016, 11:59:46 AM »
So how many copies of the Quran are floating around?? With different messages, verses, etc. How do we know which one is the right one. What are the changes??? Everything I know has been turned around. Can anyone get Joseph Islam to help me with this?
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General Discussions / Re: What ARE the differences between Hafs and Warsh??
« on: July 28, 2016, 11:36:00 AM »
But I thought that all Hafs copies were the same?? Please help me here I am getting extremely depressed
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General Discussions / Re: What ARE the differences between Hafs and Warsh??
« on: July 28, 2016, 11:00:40 AM »
Can you please just tell me the differences and help me. I'm sorry for getting upset but I am really panicky and agitated right now I really need some help I'm having a lot of trouble at this point in my life and I feel very scared.
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General Discussions / Re: What ARE the differences between Hafs and Warsh??
« on: July 28, 2016, 10:49:36 AM »
WHAT??!! HOW??!! I thought that the Quran was preserved. You people told me so!! Why are you LYING to me??!!