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5:90 5:3
« on: August 14, 2016, 05:57:24 PM »
Assalam alikum when it say diving arrows or drawing lots does that mean that like flipping a coin or drawing lots like who has the shortest straw etc is haram or does this mean something else and if yes does that mean that games with dice like ludo and monopoly are haram jazzakkallah

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Re: 5:90 5:3
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2016, 05:22:04 AM »
Any thoughts jazzakkallah sorry

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Re: 5:90 5:3
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2016, 07:10:52 AM »
Nope. The divining arrows and drawing of lots mentioned in these verses were false superstitions practiced by the local Arabs as part of their pagan religion. (For more, see Joseph's article: Superstitions: A Satanic Testimony). Games like Monopoly or Yahtzee, practiced for entertainment, is not what this verse is referring to.
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Rather, We dash the truth upon falsehood, and it destroys it, and thereupon it departs. And for you is destruction from that which you describe. (21:18)

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Re: 5:90 5:3
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2016, 05:55:22 AM »
So is a form of chance haram like flipping a coin is that not allowed etc thanks

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Re: 5:90 5:3
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2016, 07:00:57 AM »
It's allowed so long as it doesn't involve religion or
money  (which is gambling)
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Re: 5:90 5:3
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2016, 02:25:21 AM »
One possibility:

http://www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm

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Ya-Siin-Ra = become gentle/tractable/manageable/easy/submissive/liberal, become little in quantity/paltry / no weight or worth, come from left, divide into parts/portions, make easy/smooth, adapt/accommodate, play with gaming arrows (al maysiri), a game for stakes/wagers involving risk.

For those who always wanted to know what "arrows of chance / gaming arrows" were. Lane gives quite a detailed description of what was involved. I'll explain my take on it: a group of 10 (or however many there are) buys an animal on credit (e.g. camel), they slaughter the animal and divide it into 10 portions (equaling the number of people in the group). They assign a number to each portion of meat, e.g. portion 1 is marked 1, portion 2 is marked 2, portion 3 is marked 3 etc up to 10. They take 10 arrow heads (no feathers) and mark each arrow head with a number, arrow head 1 marked 1 (this corresponds to meat portion 1), arrow head 2 marked 2 (this corresponds to meat portion 2) etc up to 7, arrows 8, 9 and 10 are left with no mark. They assign a person to shuffle the arrow heads and distribute them to the 10 players. If someone gets arrow 1 they take meat portion 1, if someone gets arrow 2 they take meat portion 2 and so on. Whoever gets the unmarked arrows (3 people in this example) have to pay the entire value of the slaughtered animal, that was initially bought on credit.