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General Discussions / Re: How is the Quran "fully detailed"?

« on: July 13, 2020, 04:56:44 AM »

IVt also doesn't tell us how to check our blood pressure, how to brush our hair, how to brush our teeth, what the name of Moses' dad was, what all the Jewish sects were at the time Quran was revealed etc etc


When you buy a self-assembly desk from IKEA and it comes with instructions which say they are fully detailed or has everything we need to know...   what is it referring to?

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General Discussions / Re: Why is following your desires shirk?

« on: July 13, 2020, 04:52:43 AM »

peace,

You may wish to research what following desires is contrasted to in Quran.

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General Discussions / Re: Native Arabic Speakers: Help please

« on: May 05, 2020, 02:52:05 AM »

If you feel it is irrelevant which word Quran used i.e. messenger or prophet, then that's up to you.

They must become Muslims believing in Allah and Muhammad.

An article you might find interesting:
https://www.free-minds.org/mumins

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General Discussions / Re: Native Arabic Speakers: Help please

« on: May 04, 2020, 01:46:34 AM »

On the corpus website it tells you the grammar of each word and you can click on the word if you want to examine its usage in Quran.
Further, this website will help as it lists all the times it is used in the perfect separately and imperfect separately:
http://www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm


Re: 48:13

I have to say that I disagree with this. While Quran 48:13 in context talks about the Jews/Christians at the time of the prophet and then starts by saying [paraphrasing] "whoever disbelieves in Allah and his messenger is a disbeliever"

The verse begins with "wa" / "and".

"His messenger" = prophet Muhammad. This is singular, not plural. So this is talking about a specific prophet, not all the other prophets specifically. This specific prophet is Prophet Muhammad (which you also understand from reading the context).

What do you think?

Did you read the link I provided? I am not talking about which messenger it is. I am talking about the difference in role words, i.e. between prophet and messenger.

Also Quran chapter 98:1-2 makes it clear that the disbelievers must believe this Prophet (singular, not plural) is a prophet of Allah and Quran 98:6 says those among the people of the book and polytheists who disbelieve will be punished.

Those verses dont use "nabi" / "prophet".


Also bear in mind wiki-islam focuses on critique of islam, as stated on its about page.

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General Discussions / Re: Native Arabic Speakers: Help please

« on: May 01, 2020, 09:09:07 PM »

Few points:

2:62 and 5:69 are in the perfect/past tense, see http://corpus.quran.com/

48:13 is linked to previous verses, check context

you have changed "His messenger" into "prophet Muhammad". Are they the same?


Ponder.

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Islamic Duties / Re: Quran and 2:184 - what is the correct translation?

« on: April 26, 2020, 04:42:17 PM »

New article:

Quran and 2:184 - what is the correct translation?
http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/Quran-sawm-fasting.html


Feedback welcome, especially corrections.

A timely reminder since some may be fasting at the moment.

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General Discussions / Re: Top 10 problems due to Traditional Islam

« on: April 25, 2020, 05:37:49 PM »

w/salaam,

Not a top 10 but does list the many ways Traditional Islam may differ from Quran based islam.

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General Discussions / Re: Jumua and Congressional prayers during coronavirus

« on: April 03, 2020, 06:13:29 AM »

There is no explicit verse AFAIK. According to 4:102 not even illness is an exception to participating in the timed-salat.

Of course, it will depend on the congregational element of one's understanding.

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General Discussions / Re: Is this a Quran contradiction? "Thumma" vs "Fa"

« on: December 29, 2019, 12:40:35 AM »

I believe I first heard of this here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIiVlO88D5o

I don't have access to Arabic works because I don't speak Arabic. Maybe you can let me know?

Thanks. I watched the video, and I have seen his videos before. He did not cite a reference and the example he gave from Quran was weak when looking at the surrounding verses that use thumma also. We must remember that formalisation of grammar rules are post-Quran.

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General Discussions / Re: If historians accept Hadiths as the historical truth, then why shouldn't we?

« on: December 29, 2019, 12:37:08 AM »

Academic historians may cite Traditional Muslim sources such as the ones you mention in their works or when teaching etc but I would be surprised an academic of any merit would say something along the lines of "these are indisputable facts that occurred in the life of the prophet". That is why I asked for references.

For example, I have watched some lectures by Professor Fred Donner (and read some of his works) and he often adds phrases such as "if these reports are to be believed.." etc.

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General Discussions / Re: If historians accept Hadiths as the historical truth, then why shouldn't we?

« on: December 27, 2019, 02:58:11 AM »

Many historians accept Hadiths as historical truth.

Can you provide some references for that?

Background:
http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/Rethinking_Tradition_Modern_Islamic_Thought.htm
https://ahadithstudies.wordpress.com/2011/03/25/michael-cook-early-opponents-to-the-writing-of-tradition-hadith/

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General Discussions / Re: Is this a Quran contradiction? "Thumma" vs "Fa"

« on: December 27, 2019, 02:54:12 AM »

Background: So "thumma" means "then" in English, but it means a long period of time has commenced before the two events. "fa" also means "then" in English, but it means a short period of time has commenced before the two events.

Do you have a classical Arabic reference for that?

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General Discussions / Re: What does the word Islam means

« on: December 02, 2019, 06:35:00 AM »

peace TS,

Mubashir asked what does "Islam" (with a capital I) mean. The answer is it is a meaningless title. However when he mentions lexicon and root word he is obviously referring to its underlying meaning, its origin etc NOT as a title. Hence my answer.

It's like asking what does "John" mean. Well, perhaps the name originally had a meaning but to a person named John it is almost entirely irrelevant, as he may embody the original meaning, he may not.

You claim a capitalised meaningless word has been assigned as a religion by God? That is illogical. It is only true if one embodies the meaning.

If I were to translate that part of 5:3 I would render it as:

"...and I have approved for you submission/peacemaking as an obligation/system..."

Now it makes sense...... to me at least.


Reference:
https://www.misconceptions-about-islam.com/more.htm

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General Discussions / Re: What does the word Islam means

« on: November 30, 2019, 06:40:42 AM »

The word "islam" has nothing to do with a religion nor is it inherently linked to God.

The theoretical meaning of the Arabic word form can be either submission or peacemaking. They are linked meanings when you think about it.

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Prophets and Messengers / Re: Has anybody watched the following video by Jay Smith?

« on: November 30, 2019, 06:37:44 AM »

Can you provide us with perhaps 3 of his most solid points, save us watching it.

Reference:
http://www.islam-and-muslims.com/External-References-Islam-Hoyland.pdf