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General Discussions / Re: Explanation for verse 110 in Al Maida (Prophet Jesus and creation)

« on: November 14, 2017, 06:27:52 PM »

I find no contradiction. Jesus (PBUH) made the statue with Allah's permission to perform certain miracles. This permission he didn't want but was given (like Moses). Other permission he asked to perform another miracle to satisfy certain people. Nowhere it is said that making statue is forbidden. Otherwise verse 34:13 would be difficult to understand.

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They made for him what he willed: synagogues and statues, basins like wells and boilers built into the ground. Give thanks, O House of David! Few of My bondmen are thankful.

I apologize for the late reply but thanks a lot!

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General Discussions / Re: Explanation for verse 110 in Al Maida (Prophet Jesus and creation)

« on: November 07, 2017, 09:43:31 PM »

From what I understood from you, Miracle114, is that its debatable who could or could not make statues?

I quote " .......you could argue it is not wrong but who would do such a thing is the question."


Doesn't that go against the whole permissibly  of  statues (at least) if that is the case?

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General Discussions / Re: Explanation for verse 110 in Al Maida (Prophet Jesus and creation)

« on: November 07, 2017, 05:31:17 PM »

Exactly, I dont think he was able to do miracles and his position isnt much different from Prophet Moses. Does Moses have the ability to split seas and bring out water whenever he hit the ground with his staff? I dont think so......

Thats why I believe "with my permission" simply means "by my order" or "by my command", that Jesus didnt do any of this voluntarily but rather Allah commanded him.

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General Discussions / Re: Explanation for verse 110 in Al Maida (Prophet Jesus and creation)

« on: November 07, 2017, 08:04:36 AM »

Alright, but what is so special about making a statue out of mud that requires God to say "with my permission" specifically for it ? I mean anyone could possibly do that.

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General Discussions / Re: Explanation for verse 110 in Al Maida (Prophet Jesus and creation)

« on: November 04, 2017, 10:40:34 PM »

Alright, until I get a reply from my brothers and sisters , I would like to add something else  :  3: 49

"And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allah . And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of Allah . And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers."

https://quran.com/3/49


Can we say that "with my permission" in the verse mentioned in the previous post also means " by my command" ?  In 3 :49  Prophet Jesus is saying he came to the Jews with a sign from Allah,  doesnt that mean Allah probably commanded Jesus to do all these things (AND by carrying out the orders Allah would make the miracles happen?). Just like when Allah ordered prophet Moses to hit the water with his staff or to throw it ?

So basically Allah is saying he ordered Jesus to make the statue of a bird (or something similar) and Jesus didnt just do it voluntarily?

Would like to hear your opinions..... especially Mr. Joseph Islam   

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General Discussions / Explanation for verse 110 in Al Maida (Prophet Jesus and creation)

« on: November 03, 2017, 11:42:08 PM »

Salam Alaikom,


I would like to thank Mr Joseph Islam for explaining to us the permissibly of making statues (and drawing) via the Quran.

Even some  traditional or should I say "Semi traditional" scholars and Imams have reached the same conclusion and I think the most famous example is  Imam Mohammed Abduh, the former
Grand Mufti of Egypt (d. 1905) when he stated that make statues is halal.

But I have a question which is a result of "Salafi Scarring" so to say and I need the help of my brethren here if possible.

In the verse 110 of Surat Al Maida, unfortunately Salafi "scholars" (more like copy pasters) have used certain terms in this verse to strengthen their claim that making statues is strictly forbidden unless commanded by Allah.

  [The Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you designed from clay [what was] like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission; and you healed the blind and the leper with My permission; and when you brought forth the dead with My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from [killing] you when you came to them with clear proofs and those who disbelieved among them said, "This is not but obvious magic."


They say that when Jesus (PBUH) made the statue it was with Allah's permission because otherwise its forbidden. I find a serious contradiction with that because it would mean healing the blind and the leper is also forbidden unless Allah gives someone permission to cure them. I want to hear your opinions on the matter and thanks a lot!