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General Discussions / Verse 39:55 Issues
« on: January 11, 2016, 10:06:19 AM »
Bonjour and salam:)

"And follow the best of what was revealed to you from your Lord before the punishment comes upon you suddenly while you do not perceive"--39.55

Isn't all of the Quran "the best"?

So why is it saying to specifically follow the best of what God revealed? Everything that God revealed is the best, right?

I'd like to know the opinions of other forum members on this issue:)

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General Discussions / Geocentrism and Flat Earth in Quran II
« on: January 05, 2016, 12:24:09 AM »
Salam,

I created a new thread about geocentrism from the previous one, because people were getting off-topic.

It seems from the following Quranic verses that the Quran supports the idea of a stationary Earth and a revolving Sun and moon. This may be an error in interpretation or understanding, so can someone please clarify what the following verses mean:

 "Allah is he who raised the heavens without any pillars that you see, and he is firm in power and he made the sun and the moon subservient to you; each one pursues its course to an appointed time; He regulates the affair, making clear the signs that you may be certain of meeting your Lord." -13.2

"The sun and moon follow courses exactly computed." -55.5

"He who made the earth a fixed place and set amidst it rivers and appointed for it firm mountains and placed a partition between the two seas. Is there a god with God? Nay, but the most of them have no knowledge." -27.61

It seems like these verses indicate that the Earth is stationary while the Sun and moon move, although not necessarily around it.


The other issue is with the idea of Earth being flat. Several Quranic verses say that the Earth is "spread out like a carpet." I understand that this can still mean it is spherical, because you can "spread out" whip cream on a spherical apple. However, verse 88:20 uses a different word, "sutihat," to describe the earth. This word was also translated as "spread out" in Quranic translations, but Arabic classical dictionaries say that its primary definition is "flattened" or "made flat."

"And at the Earth, how it is spread out [or flattened, 'sutihat']?" -88.20


It seems like certain Quranic verses indicate the theory of geocentrism, and also apparently indicate that Earth is flat. Again, this is probably an error in my own interpretation or literal definition. Can someone please clarify this issue?

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Women / Verses on Women
« on: January 01, 2016, 09:58:31 AM »
Salam 8)

I think this question might be better off in the Women section, so if I put it in the wrong place, I can move it--but it does primarily concern a variety of Quranic verses.

I'm going to start off by citing some verse numbers on women:

4:34--suggests male leadership in marital relationship (natural roles, not discrimination)
2:228--same thing
49:13--only good deeds make a person superior, not gender or anything else
27:23--introduces Queen of Sheba, a female ruler
27:30-31--Queen of Sheba was smart and cautious

What I'm getting at here is that the Quran delegates leadership to men, but it seems to honor the Queen of Sheba. It talks about how she accepted Islam and presumably continued to rule afterward.

Prophethood was arguably only delegated to men, because of the physical and leadership burdens. However God did send messages to women via Himself or angels (Mary, Moses' mother).

Can a woman generally be head of state according to the Quran? Also, what is their position in relation to men?

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General Discussions / Definition of Hypocrites According to Quran
« on: December 31, 2015, 02:14:24 AM »
Salam

Quran 63:1-10 describes elaborates on the characteristics of hypocrites. These verses describe them as people who pretend to believe and follow the Quran but really don't, and they know that they don't.

I guess this definition applies to a lot of so-called "scholars" alive today, who use twisted translations of the Quran and know that they're doing it. However, there are a lot of terrorists and people who kill others in the name of Islam, and I can't decide whether they're hypocritical or just insanely ignorant. They truly believe that they're fighting in the way of God, even though they're oppressing people and killing other Muslims. But they really believe they're doing good deeds and are going to go to heaven. (If you want to see more on this, look up bin Laden's letter to his 9/11 killers. He promised them that they were earning the rewards of Allah by murdering civilians.)

I was wondering if the definition of hypocrisy given in the Quran applies to such people. A hypocrite must know that they're not really following the Quran, right? Or else they're just ignorant and aren't really hypocrites...? Just wondering.

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Discussions / Experiences
« on: December 29, 2015, 12:28:44 PM »
Before I start: I'm warning everyone, this is going to be long. Very long. Please bear with me and I sincerely apologize if you get bored.  ;D

I want to share my journey with all of you, because I feel like I should tell people about this.

I grew up in a semi-traditional Sunni household. My mom was a convert; my dad was born into a Muslim family. I lived in a melting-pot city with a mix of people from different races, especially Asians. Somehow, everyone automatically knew I was Muslim when they saw me. It wasn't because of my name; I'm certain of that. It probably had something to do with my Syrian or Arabian appearance. Either way, when I was a little kid I was blissfully unaware of all the negative things people had to say about Islam, because they avoided saying those things around me. I didn't know what 9/11 was until I turned 9, and even then I didn't know that radical "Muslims" had initiated it.

Ever since I was a child, I liked asking questions that my parents couldn't answer. Once I asked my mom at the age of five or six, "Can God find a difference between two pictures in which there is no difference?"

"That doesn't make any sense," my mom told me. She went around for the rest of the day looking slightly confused.

My parents were pretty lenient. They liked music, although they admitted that there were hadiths forbidding it. I played piano, sang, and took art classes. This mortified some of my Muslim friends, of which I had a lot. One girl, Samra, would tell me music was haram every time she came to my house and saw the piano in the guestroom. She started wearing hijab at the age of 12, which was a pity because she had the most beautiful reddish hair. She insinuated that I should do the same (wear hijab) unless I wanted to go to hell.

Around this time I stopped going to Sunday school. I didn't like praying because I didn't understand why I should do it, and I would lie to get out of it. I was an academically gifted child (perhaps too gifted) who believed that schoolwork was more important than kindness and charity. My parents decided that something must be done.

They made me take online Quran classes with a sheikh who seemed nice at first. He encouraged me to ask questions, but every time I asked anything, he either pretended not to understand me or else actually didn't understand me. I'd been taught dogmatically that people should only recite the Quran in Arabic and that doing so in English is rather pointless. Even so, I demanded translation classes instead. My dad conceded. I started learning an incredibly misogynistic, violently inclined, insanely inaccurate translation of the Quran, and I was horrified. I was old enough by then to understand that the doctrines being introduced in this translation were just plain wrong. I started doing my own research.

After a long time (like several weeks/months) of doing a little research a day, I came across Joseph's website. My dad had always been a fan of his and I became interested after I realized that this Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam guy was the same one my little sisters listened to in the car. I read a lot of articles, figured out a lot of life-changing stuff, and finally realized that other people needed to know about this.

It was around this time that ISIS started getting on the news, every single day. It drove me berserk. My teacher singled me out, asking how I and the other Muslims in the class felt about these crazy extremists. I said they were lunatics because I couldn't find any other words to describe them. My Honors History teacher demonstrated how lucky we were to live in America by telling us about the horrors of Sharia law. He showed us videos of terrorists on CNN News, holding up guns in one hand and glittery copies of the Quran in the other.

I started feeling kind of hopeless, like no matter what the Obama Administration did or how many drone attacks they launched, the lunatic terrorists would still be out there killing people. I began reading the Quran more, especially Surahs Mary and Imran for some reason. The Quran says Allah grants respite to disbelievers for a while, then He destroys them. (Can't cite exact verse right now.) I'm still wondering when the respite of these disbelievers is going to end, and I'm still wondering what exactly they are--hypocrites, mentally ill wackos, or what?!

Anyway, one of my mom's friends was very scared at this time because her relatives, who live in Iraq, were under ISIS rule and there's a lot of warfare and insanity going on there right now. She called my mom a few times, crying about it, because her family wasn't faring too well from what I could tell. This led me to ask questions about why God would allow such horrible things to happen to people. Joseph had articles for that, too.

What I've taken from this is that the Quran actually has answers for everyone's questions, whether directly or indirectly. One day I was wondering if God would allow women to be astronauts (don't ask; it's another long story), and I came across this verse:

Yusuf Ali: O ye assembly of Jinns and men! If it be ye can pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, pass ye! not without authority shall ye be able to pass! -55.33

It's like the answer to my question was handed to me on a golden platter, wrapped up in fancy Christmas paper with a big red bow on top. Explicit permission for NASA granted.

I'm still concerned about a few things. Even the Quran-centric community is divided into the 19-code-obsessed people and the people who just follow the Quran, alleged miraculous code or not. They differ over ridiculously tiny issues. How are we going to fix this, and how can we enlighten more people?

Also, why doesn't God make the community of His sincere believers bigger? He says He could've made everyone believe if He'd wanted to, but He decided not to for whatever reason. Still, He says His sincere believers will be given dominance. I want to see that happen in my lifetime.

Hugs and apologies for an overly long story :)



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General Discussions / Why is shirk the worst sin?
« on: December 25, 2015, 07:02:38 AM »
Salam :)

I came across this site that gave me a new definition of shirk. Most people consider shirk to be purely idol-worship, Trinity worship, or polytheism. Actually, according to Quran 45:23, pretty much ALL bad deeds done deliberately are shirk, because they constitute taking your sinful desires as gods.

Which is why shirk is the worst sin--it encompasses basically all other sins.

I think.

This is a fairly  new view and I was wondering if anyone has thoughts on this, or if I'm wrong, or what. This is quite contrary to everything I've been taught.

Happy holidays and Christmas ;)

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General Discussions / Concept of an Islamic State
« on: December 15, 2015, 07:06:38 AM »
Salam :)

From my understanding, the laws and punishments in the Quran (lashes for adultery, etc) should only be implemented in a place where they are accepted by the community and the community is Muslim-run. But the Quran also advises choosing leaders by mutual counsel, which seems like democracy. Is the Quran in favor, generally, of separation of church and state? If the punishments detailed in the Quran are carried out on non-muslims, wouldn't that constitute forcing your religion onto other people? How would an actual "Islamic state" be run? (Because seriously, there is no such thing as an Islamic State these days.)

I get the impression there would be religious tolerance, but laws and punishments would be carried out according to the Quran. Would these punishments apply to both muslims and nonmuslims alike? Just wondering how an actual muslim country would be run, because God knows REAL muslim countries haven't existed for centuries. They still have the death penalty for adultery in Iran.

Mia

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General Discussions / Does God need our worship?
« on: December 09, 2015, 12:05:25 PM »
Salam everyone.

So I had a question--how come if God doesn't need anything, why does He want us to worship Him, and why does He punish us if we don't? Many people are born into extreme poverty and God is the one who's made them suffer, so why does He get mad if these people don't worship Him? Many people grow extremely sad and bitter after going through suffering and start disbelieving in God. But if He is the one who made them suffer, how can He be angry if they don't like Him?

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General Discussions / 4:142
« on: December 02, 2015, 07:55:20 AM »
Verse 4:142 says God deceives the hypocrites, but I thought He didn't deceive anyone. Are there alternate meanings? I thought Allah does not deceive anyone even if they are deceptive, because He built the universe on truth.

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General Discussions / 24:45
« on: November 26, 2015, 07:47:45 AM »
This verse says all living things were created from water. What about jinn and angels? They were created respectively from fire and light--this is an apparent contradiction, but there must be an explanation. Was this verse referring only to things that we perceive as living, such as people and animals?

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General Discussions / Trials vs Misfortunes
« on: November 26, 2015, 07:45:56 AM »
Quran As-Shura 30: And whatever of misfortunes befalls you, it is from what your own hands have earned.

Whom does this verse apply to? If a child dies young, it's not because of something wrong they did, because they're too young to tell between right and wrong. I was thinking, maybe when you do good things, misfortunes strike you to test your willpower and faith in Allah. So misfortunes can be the result of good or bad deeds...?

Any thoughts?

Mia

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General Discussions / heaven and hell
« on: November 26, 2015, 06:41:12 AM »
Salam everyone :)

On the Day of Judgement, aside from heaven and hell, do you think there would be a 3rd place for people who never got the message of monotheism? Also what happens to people who die as children or infants? Generally they would go to heaven, but these children never had the opportunity to knowingly perform either good or bad deeds. If they had grown up, they could have been evil tyrants or prophets. They will never be able to earn the highest level of heaven because they never had the opportunity. How will these people be judged?

Also some people live a lot longer than others, so they had the opportunity to perform more good deeds, so they might end up in higher levels of Jannah than someone who didn't live as long. How is this fair?

I've heard the theory that such people will be tested on the Day of Judgement and their place in heaven or hell will be determined then.

If you take two people--one who has heard the message and one who hasn't--and compare their good deeds, the believer will have more good deeds. However the person who never got the message never got the opportunity to hear about God and do better deeds.

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Women / 4:34 and other issues
« on: November 24, 2015, 09:23:22 AM »
4:34 was a big concern when I first read the common translation my Quran teacher introduced me to. However it's come to my attention that "daraba" has many translations and there are actually 3 or 4 other translations that would work in this context.

I've read Joseph Islam's article on this matter and there's another good one on quran434.com. Why did God not write this verse with clear and unambiguous wording? Naturally, the translation "beat" is totally in disagreement with other verses. God does not like the aggressors and men are supposed to treat women kindly (4:3), and even light beating can create physical injury to someone who is pregnant or already has physical problems. God could not have authorized such a thing.

I think this verse might be a test to see whether people would use it as an excuse for domestic violence or a way to show empathy. Any thoughts on this?

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General Discussions / Intolerance or Peacefulness?
« on: November 23, 2015, 11:46:47 AM »
Some Quranic verses like 3:118 and 9:123 seem to preach intolerance. Explanations?

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General Discussions / Understanding Quran 8:39
« on: November 21, 2015, 12:39:12 PM »
Salam everyone. What's the deal with this verse? It says, "and fight them until there is no more oppression and religion is ALL for Allah. And if they cease, then Allah is all-knowing of what they do."

I feel like this verse only advocates self-defense, but the words "and religion is all for Allah" make it seem like God wants world domination for muslims. This is contrary to the verse that says killing one person without reason is equivalent to killing the whole human race. I read the verses before and after 8:39, and they do seem to point to fighting against oppression, but what about religion being entirely for Allah? I thought "there is no compulsion in religion?"

I just want to clear a few things up. I understand the Quran does not advocate endless killing of everyone like ISIS does, but some verses are a little...world-domination sounding.

If Brother Joseph could answer, that would be nice.

Also, there was a hadith of Muhammad that there will be people  near the end times who create violence and have a corrupted Islamic clergy, with their own "state". This sounds like ISIS to me. Muhammad got some extra revelation from Allah, didn't he? Or else how would he have known all this? The Quran is the only thing we should follow, but it seems to me like Muhammad was given some other prophecies by God as well. Any thoughts?

Input is appreciated.

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