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General Discussions / Re: Some doubts - Kindly clear it please

« on: January 20, 2016, 05:44:28 PM »

Salaam Anjum. Welcome to the forum. I hope i'll benefit greatly from the knowldege and wisdom the members here impart. I also hope the many articles (link below) written by Joseph Islam will benefit you greatly:

http://quransmessage.com/articles/articles%20FM3.htm

Now unto your question. You asked:

my name is Azeemunnisa which means...great lady...actually..its my grandma's name...who passed away...year ago...I was born...so in memory of her...I was named Azeemunnisa...I wanted to ask...can I use this name?...is it ok?...as Allah is only Great right...so...is It ok to have this name?

I say yes you can use/keep that name. You parents gave you that name, which means great, as a way ( I assume) to remember your grandmother and not as a way to compare you to Allah. Therefore I personally find nothing wrong with it.

You also asked:

is name calling prohibited?...as for fun...we call our friends with funny names...they don't mind either...

Allah instructs us in the Quran to refer to each other with good names:

"O you who have believed, let not a people ridicule [another] people; perhaps they may be better than them; nor let women ridicule [other] women; perhaps they may be better than them. And do not insult one another and do not call each other by [offensive] nicknames. Wretched is the name of disobedience after [one's] faith. And whoever does not repent - then it is those who are the wrongdoers." [Quran 49:11]

But if you're doing it (calling each other funny names) in good intention and you and your friends don't mind, then I personally find nothing wrong with it. Personally, I think Allah cares more about our intentions. So if you and your friends intention for calling each other funny names is not to be offensive to one another but rather is done in good faith, then I think Allah would mind. God knows best.

You also asked:

can we swear?..not in the name of God...but other beings?

That's a good question. And it's one which I don't have the answer to. Hopefully some of the other members will have an answer to it.

You also asked:

can we stretch our legs towards Qibla?...

I don't see why not. Please bear in mind that everything that is consider wrongful/harmful has already been stated in the Quran. So if stretching ones legs towards the Qibla was in anyway harmful or unpleasing to Allah then Allah would have given mention to it in the Quran. Yet we find no such prohibition in the Quran. So I see nothing wrong with doing that. But for those who may suggest otherwise, the burden will be on them support their case solely from the Quran. Any and all religious assertions or theological standpoints/practices must find clear, unequivocal support from the Quran, as it is the Quran that is the primary and ultimate authority from God.

is insurance allowed?

A similar question was asked on this exact forum some time ago in which the response was:

"There is no prohibition in the Quran against insurance per se, which is acquired with the intention to indemnify against a possible loss... It is also within the Quranic guidance to take sensible precautions in one's affairs (4:102).
http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=676.0

By the way, I (and I would assume many here) prefer the term Quran-centric over Quranist.

https://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.islam/posts/542672849203180
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.a.islam/posts/330796700390797

Peace.

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General Discussions / Re: Program of Creation of Man on Earth, in light of Quran.

« on: January 20, 2016, 12:31:42 PM »

Sorry but I'm rather confused here. You're saying that "Common ancestry simply means that both humans and monkeys share a 'common ancestor'" yet that does not mean we humans descended from monkeys.

Am not sure what part of that statement I made confused you. Common ancestry does not, as alluded to earlier, suggest that we, as humans, evolved from monkeys. It simply means what it sounds like - i.e we and monkeys share a common ancestor. Majority of the worlds scientists agree that we evolved from an ancestor that lived some 29-28 million years ago and diverged into two lineages. One of those lineages evolved to become what is known as 'Old World monkeys', the other evolved to become us.

We mustn't forget that something must have fertilized the egg in Mary's womb. I think you would find it hard to accept that whatever it was could have taken days or months. I'm of the opinion that it was in an instant.

Then upon you is the burden to prove this.

Also in other verses of the Quran it says God brings the dead back to life in moments or cures those who are ill/blind instantly.

Would you be so kind as to cite the verses which suggest that those acts occur in an instant?

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General Discussions / Re: Program of Creation of Man on Earth, in light of Quran.

« on: January 20, 2016, 08:09:14 AM »

God created the heavens and the earth in six days. The seventh day I believe he "rested"

With respect to God having rested on the seventh day, I disagree with you. To suggest He rested is to suggest that He felt fatigued after having created the universe; which is not a view I subscript to.

I think if God had meant that each day was thousands of years then He would have clarified it by saying that each day was thousands of years as He did in those other verses.

First off, even if God were to clarify it and say a thousand years, it still would not mean a thousand years in our reckoning; because, as evident by the verses I've cited you earlier, God is outside of time and space. A day with God is a thousand years with us. So, if a day with God is a thousand years with us, one can (only) assume that a thousand years with God would translate into something like a million (if not more) years with us.
And secondly, on what grounds can you assert that the word ayyamin (as in 6 ayyamin) automatically means six(6) human days? I am of the opinion that the word ayyamin (as in 6 ayyamin) means six periods or epochs, and not six human days.
So when the Quran says that Allah created the universe in six days, that would mean six days with Allah, but for us it would be mean six periods or epochs.

I'm sorry but Theory of Evolution is a far fetched idea. There is absolutely no evidence of it.

Again, this depends on what you mean by evidence. As alluded to earlier, I can cite you (at the drop of a hat) ample scientific evidence to support that theory.

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General Discussions / Re: What is Haram

« on: January 20, 2016, 06:03:32 AM »

Salaam Hicham9,

Halāl list (from the Qurān) ?!?

Well....all things that are not mentioned as being Haram, are, by default, Halal.

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General Discussions / Re: What is Haram

« on: January 20, 2016, 06:00:48 AM »

Salaam A.H.A,

Thank you for that list.

One thing I would like to add. While mentioning what is Hal'al, the Quran has used the word Tayyab - which means pleasant, pure, and beneficial. It, therefore, means that whereas Allah has declared certain things Hal'al, it is not necessary that one must eat/engage in each and every one of those things. In the category of things considered Hal'al, one can eat/engage in whichever one them he likes, or finds tasty or pleasant, or is nourishing to his body and does not cause allergy/harm to him.

Peace.

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General Discussions / Re: Non-Muslims question the severity of punishments of Islam.

« on: January 19, 2016, 02:17:02 PM »

Salaam Qadada,

You said:

the other two things are in hadith I though it was in Quraan but Quraan doesnt teach all details

With all due respect I completely disagree with you. The Quran claims to be a fully detailed explanation (Arabic: fussilat 41:3; 11:1). It also claims to be a clear explanation of all matters (Arabic: tibiana  lekulli shayin 16:89). A scripture cannot make these fanciful claims and yet on the other-hand not provide necessary details for human guidance as part of God ordained 'religion', or claimed to be (by some) incomplete, lacking details, and in need/dependent on other/secondary sources.

A scripture cannot be 'fussilat' and then not provide necessary details for human guidance as part of God ordained 'religion'.

So allow me to ask you a question: If those punishments are necessary for our guidance, then why hasn't Allah mention them in the Quran? The very Quran Allah has said is fully detailed and a clear explanation of all things.
What reason would Allah have not to detail it in the quran? Or we to believe that Allah forgot to mention such details in the quran or that He ran out of words and thus left it up to fallible men to give mention to it?

You also asked:

How do you pray

Again, the following article explains prayer form a Quran perspective, as well.:

http://quransmessage.com/articles/prayer%20without%20hadith%20FM3.htm

Allow me to ask you another question, sense you assume the Quran doesn't mention how to pray:

1) The Quran claims to be a book (full) of guidance and one which guides to a path which is most firm, right, straight and stable (see: 31:3; 17:9; 2:2-3; 17:9; 16:89). For a book to guide, it would follow that said book would contain all info, details and practices necessary for our guidance and which would therefore lead to that guidance. But to accept the argument that the salat, which is necessary for our guidance, cannot be found in the Quran and can therefore only be found in other sources, is to concede to the idea that the Quran is not necessarily a book “of guidance”. Because how can it, on the one hand claim/call itself a "book of guidance/a guidance for mankind", and yet on the other hand omit things the very thing necessary for our guidance? In such instance the Quran would only contain “half guidance”.

2) If, as you seem to believe, the salat is not alluded to in the Quran, then why do you believe that is? Why would Allah not mention the salat in the Quran? Are we, again, to believe that Allah forgot to mention such details in the quran?

3)Would you be so kind as to tell us which hadith describes how to pray? And if the haidth teach us how to offer salat then how do you explain the many different methods of prayer from both the Sunnis and the Shiits (and the sub-sects within them)?

4) and if the Quran, as you claim, doesn't contain all the details necessary for our guidance, then may I ask what purpose the Quran serves us? What are we to think of a scripture (i.e the Quran) that repeatedly emphasizes a certain act/practice (such as salah and zakat) but never explains (as you claim) how to perform said act/practice? The conclusion drawn would be that said scripture is a terrible omission and in that case it cannot be from God.


Please answer each one of the question I posed to you.

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General Discussions / Re: Non-Muslims question the severity of punishments of Islam.

« on: January 19, 2016, 02:05:05 PM »

Salaam Qadada,

You said:

No sorry the verse says cut off it can't be reinterpret and I read the article it proved nothing.

With all due respect, that's a childish argument. The author of the article you read clearly showed you what that verse means (basing his support solely from the Quran). If you disagree and believe otherwise then present your counter-argument, solely from the Quran.

And what do you mean when you say it can't be reinterpreted? What makes your interpretation the correct one?

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General Discussions / Re: Non-Muslims question the severity of punishments of Islam.

« on: January 19, 2016, 11:37:02 AM »

Salaam Qadada,

You said:

As for whipping adultress 100 times - verse 24:2

I never disputed the fact that the Quran prescribes a 100 lashes for adulterers. What I dispute are the claims that the Quran prescribes cutting off the hands of thieves, or the lashing of alcohol drinkers or the stoning of adulterers.

With respect to cutting off the hands, please read the following article which refutes this commonly held believe from a Quran perspective:

CUTTING THE HANDS OF A THIEF - NO ORDINARY THIEF
http://quransmessage.com/articles/thief%20hands%20FM3.htm

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General Discussions / Re: Non-Muslims question the severity of punishments of Islam.

« on: January 19, 2016, 09:43:19 AM »

Salaam Qadada,

You said:

Yes the Quraan does mention all these things

may you be so kind as to cite us which verses of the Quran support 1)cutting off the hand of the thieves, 2) stoning adulteress to death, 3) Lashing alcohol drinkers 40 or 80 times?

And the Qurannioon who say it doesn't go read the Quraan

Perhaps it is you who needs to read the Quran, seen as how you (falsely) believe the Quran approves of the punishments alluded to above.

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General Discussions / Re: Wearing trouser/pants below ankle!

« on: January 19, 2016, 09:35:37 AM »

Salaam Qadada,

Before I proceed to answering your questions I would like to make a few points of my own, so bear with me.

The Quran claims to be a book (full) of guidance and one which guides to a path which is most firm, right, straight and stable (see: 31:3; 17:9; 2:2-3; 17:9; 16:89). For a book to guide, it would follow that said book would contain all info, details and practices necessary for our guidance and which would therefore lead to that guidance. But if we are to accept the argument that all or some of the rituals and practices which are necessary for our guidance cannot be found in the Quran and can therefore only be found in other sources, is to concede to the idea that the Quran is not necessarily a book “of guidance”. Because how can it, on the one hand claim/call itself a "book of guidance/a guidance for mankind", and yet on the other hand omit things the very thing necessary for our guidance? In such instance the Quran would only contain “half guidance”.

The Quran also claims to be a fully detailed explanation (Arabic: fussilat 41:3; 11:1), the perfect guidance (Arabic: hudan 2:2), a clear convincing proof (Arabic: burhan (4:174), the ultimate scale (Arabic: mizan 42.17; 57:25), the discernment between truth and falsehood (Arabic: Furqan 25:1, 2:53), an evidence absolutely clear (Arabic: bayyina 20:133) and a clear explanation of all matters (Arabic: tibiana  lekulli shayin 16:89). A scripture cannot make these fanciful claims and yet on the other-hand not provide necessary details for human guidance as part of God ordained 'religion', or claimed to be (by some) incomplete, lacking details, and in need/dependent on other/secondary sources. 

A scripture cannot be 'fussilat' and then not provide necessary details for human guidance as part of God ordained 'religion'. So why wouldn't Allah, as your question seems to suggest, mention the details of the salat in the quran? What reason would Allah have not to detail it in the quran? Or are you suggesting that Allah forgot to mention such details in the quran or that He ran out of words and thus left it up to fallible men to give mention to it? 


With all that said, Onto answering you questions.

You asked:

So how do you pray nearly no details is giving on how to pray

With respect to how to offer the salat while upholding the Quran alone, the following site answers that Question:

HOW CAN WE LEARN PRAYER IF WE DON'T HAVE HADITH TO TEACH US?
http://quransmessage.com/articles/prayer%20without%20hadith%20FM3.htm

You also said:

don't huNat me with a reply I am not interested in your lies.

With all due respect the above statement of yours is a contradiction from your previous statement in which you ask how to pray salat. How can you, on the one hand, ask us a question with regards to salat and yet, on the other hand, say you're not interested in our replies? And on what ground do you assert that our replies are lies?

By chance if you are interested in our replies I have already given you mine, and I would like to now post several questions of my own which I would appreciate you answering:

1) Why would Allah, on the one hand, mention those rituals in the Quran and command us (on more than one occasion) to uphold them and yet, on the other hand, fail to mention how/in what manner they should be upheld? Why didn’t Allah, in the same breath (while commanding us to uphold those practices/rituals) also given mention/explain as to how they should be performed? Are we to assume Allah forgot or that He ran out of words?

2) What are we to think of a scripture (i.e the Quran) that repeatedly emphasizes a certain act/practice (such as salah and zakat) but never explains (as you claim) how to perform said act/practice? The conclusion drawn would be that said scripture is a terrible omission and in that case it cannot be from God.

3) If, as you falsely assume, the salat is not detailed in the Quran then what purpose does the Quran serve in our lives? Why would Allah send down a book which He has admonished us to follow and yet leave it ambiguous? For you to suggest that the rituals you’ve alluded to (salat, zakat) aren’t mentioned in the Quran, means you are, in a sense, suggesting that the Quran is not complete nor fully detailed (despite Allah saying otherwise). Please ask yourself why issues/matters which Allah highly commands us to fulfill more than once in the Quran and are so vital for our salvations and guidance would not, as you seem to suggest, be mentioned in the Quran as to how to perform them? What use does the Quran serve if, as you suggest, it fails to mention how (and in what manner) we are to perform the very rituals it so demanding-ly instructs us to uphold?

4) Would you be so kind as to tell us which hadith describes how to pray? And if the haidth teach us how to offer salat then how do you explain the many different methods of prayer from both the Sunnis and the Shiits (and the sub-sects within them)?

You also said:

Anzaal al Kitaab wa al HIKMAH - wa means a addition what's the HIKMAH which means way and sunnah always means way or method.

With respect, I disagree with you when you assert that the word Hikmah mean something additional (such as the sunnah)? Upon you is the burden to prove soely from a Quran perspective that the word Hikmah means sunnah.

If you are interested in what the word Hikmah means from a Quran perspective, I advice you to read the following article:

DOES 'HIKMAH' (WISDOM) MEAN SUNNA OF THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD? (pbuh)
http://quransmessage.com/articles/hikmah%20FM3.htm

Also, with respect to the term Hikmah please condsider 17:39, which reads as follows:

“This is part of the wisdom that your Lord reveals to you" [Quran 17:39]

The word “wisdom” in the above verse is used to refer to some thirteen ethical teachings enumerated in verses 22 to 38 (of Surat Al-'Isrā' 17:22-39).

And by the way, many of us don't outright reject the hadiths. We only reject those which are in clear contradictions of the Quran, as well as those which find absolutely no support from the Quran.

Peace.

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General Discussions / Re: Program of Creation of Man on Earth, in light of Quran.

« on: January 19, 2016, 05:04:15 AM »

Salaam samson,

you said:

I myself believe the Quran clearly explains that God created life and all the variety of it  miraculously.

As do I. I am not disputing this fact.

It may not have happened instantly but I believe it took days as in 24h days to do it

What lead/leads you to this believe? What evidence do you have to share with me to back up that assertion?

Many believers will accept that God can do anything and if He wanted to he could have done it instantly or over a number 24h days.

Again, I don't dispute this fact. But you must understand that God is not bound by human concepts of time. A 'yaum' (period) can represent any number of years or earthly time. Consider the following verses which supports this:

""And they ask you to hasten on the punishment, and God will by no means fail in His promise, and surely a day with your Lord is as a thousand years of what you number" [Quran 22:47]

""To Him ascend the angels and the Spirit in a day the measure of which is fifty thousand years" [Quran 7:4].

As evident by the above verses, God exists outside time and space; therefore time is meaningless. I don't wish to regurgitate the same arguments Joseph Islam already laid out in one of his articles pertaining to this subject, so I kindly advice to read it then, afterwards, share with me your disputation.

The Quran clearly describes the creation of Adam and makes absolutely no mention of it taking many years or of him gradually "evolving".

Again, please take into account the fact that God is not bound by human concept of time. So while a certain issue may occur in an instant with God, to us it may come about come about in a long and gradual process.

With respect to God's word of 'be and it is, it is merely a means that a command has been executed. So when God says 'kun', all it refers to is the execution of His command. Whether this is an instant or part of a billion year process, they all have God’s ‘kun’ behind it.

Lastly, your usage of 33:59 as 'evidence' of Adams (and therefore Human-beings) extant creation is, in my opinion, inaccurate. Nether that verse (and others like it which use the term be and it issuggest/s that Adam (or Prophet Jesus) were created in an instant. Bear in mind that Prophet Jesus had to undergo a gestation period in his mother's (Mary) womb. Clearly this is not an instant. Similarly, humans, too, had to evolve in their physiological state (bashar) before God's Divine energy (ruh) could be breathed into them and before they became 'insaan'. (as in the case of Adam).

THEORY OF EVOLUTION AND THE QURAN
http://quransmessage.com/articles/evolution%20FM3.htm

http://quransmessage.com/forum/index.php?topic=370.0

They are 2 different areas. Evolution is a fact. We can observe it happen. Common Ancestry has never been observed and in fact observations show that there are barriers to it.

I fully concur. I am not making the argument that we, as humans, descended from monkeys; nor is that what is meant by the term 'common ancestry. Common ancestry simply means that both humans and monkeys share a 'common ancestor'. This is different from the proposition that man has evolved from monkeys.

Peace.

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General Discussions / Re: Shirk Forgiveness

« on: January 18, 2016, 11:39:26 AM »

Salaam mia666,

With respect to some of your comments being deleted partially or completely, I think I may be able to offer you an advice:
Once you've written out your comment/s and have submitted it, refresh the page two or three times.

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General Discussions / Re: Program of Creation of Man on Earth, in light of Quran.

« on: January 18, 2016, 11:34:24 AM »

Salaam samson,

You said:

Quran doesn't support Big Bang Theory or Theory of Evolution

With regards to the theory of evolution the following article, in my opinion, makes a good argument for it from a Quran perspective:

THEORY OF EVOLUTION AND THE QURAN
http://quransmessage.com/articles/evolution%20FM3.htm

With that said, I would like to ask why you (and hicham9) insist on throwing-out the window ever (science related) issue which the Quran either fails to speak on (or is silent on)? Bear in mind that the Quran, though it imparts creative signs of God from human creativity to cosmic space (etc), is not a science book; the Quran was not meant to touch on every issue under the sun. The purpose of the Quran, I believe, is to provide us spiritual guidance.

There are many issues which the Quran is silent on. But this silence neither means that the Quran is incomplete nor that those issue are non-existent. Consider for example the existence of dinosaurs. The Quran is silent on whether they existed or not; but this silence should not be interpreted as absence. In other words, just because the Quran is silent on the existence dinosaurs should not, therefore, be interpreted as dinosaurs having never existed.
So, with respect to issues such as the big bang theory, the existence of dinosaurs, the age of the earth, etc some of them we may find support for in the Quran and others the Quran is silent on. But in any case, the Quran admonishes the believers to to seek knowledge and learn about God's creations in the heavens and the earth; and that is what we must done. We should not dismiss an issue simply because the Quran is silent on it.

You also said:

There is no reliable evidence to say that the earth is billions of years old.

It depends on what you mean by reliable evidence? I can cite you ample scientific evidence which supports the earth being billions of years old, as well as evidence to support the big bang theory, the existence of dinosaurs,etc.

Again, on the age of the earth I would like to cite you the following quote (accompanied by and illustration) from one of Joseph Islams article:

"It is to be appreciated that out of a total of 6 periods (which could be any number of large epochs), it took four of them to create the Earth's contents. This clearly does not indicate an instantaneous creation.
 
"And He placed therein (Earth), mountains standing firm, high above it, and bestowed blessings therein (on the Earth), and measured therein its sustenance in four periods (Arabic: ayyamin), in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek (Sustenance)" [Quran 41:10].
 
"Please note in the above verse the mention of sustenance for all God's creatures of all kinds and complexities. It is important to remember that one creature in the food web is often a means of sustenance for another within the animal kingdom. This whole process to create them took 4 periods out of the total of the 6 periods to create the universe."
http://quransmessage.com/charts%20and%20illustrations/six%20periods/six%20periods%20FM2.htm

Peace.

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General Discussions / Re: Non-Muslims question the severity of punishments of Islam.

« on: January 17, 2016, 10:01:22 PM »

Salaam Asfar Warraich,

My response to anyone who claims that Islam isn't a 'religion of peace' because of some of the 'punishment you cited' is as follows:

1) No-where in the Quran does it support cutting off the hands of thieves, the stoning of adulterers lashing alcohol drinkers Stoning to death for sodomy,. Bear in mind that I said no-where in the Quran; I acknowledge that some of the punishment you alluded to are mentioned in the hadith. But as you may (or may not) have noticed, this community/forum consists of individuals who uphold the Quran as the only source necessary for our (spiritual) guidance. As for the hadith, it is common knowledge that whatever is written in the must meet two criteria prior to accepting them as legitimate: 1)it must not contradict the Quran, 2) it must find clear, unequivocal, and unambiguous support from the Quran. With that said, it is evident to anyone who has ever studied the Quran that some of the punishments you've alluded to find absolutely no support from the Quran.

Now with regards to the lashing of adulterers, it is true that the Quran supports said punishment. And I, personally, see no problem in that; nor do I find them to be cruel. Every nation/religion has its own (and unique) way of dealing with wrongdoers.

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General Discussions / Re: Wearing trouser/pants below ankle!

« on: January 15, 2016, 04:42:43 AM »

Salaam Sstikof,

I am not quite familiar with the rulings you're referring to, so I can't really say much about it/them. But I will say this much: For anything to be considered haram in Islam, it (the reasons for it being haram) must find clear, unambiguous, and unequivocal support from the Quran. In other words, with respect to the rulings you're alluding to, for them to be legitimate, they must find clear support from the Quran.

Peace.