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General Discussions / Re: Husband in Hereafter and other questions - Please clear it

« on: January 22, 2016, 08:39:33 AM »

I wanted to add, about your father:

Yes, the Quran strongly implies that disbelievers go to hell without exceptions. However, your father is not a disbeliever to my understanding. Being an atheist is different from rejecting God's message. All of your father's good deeds remain good deeds, as far as I can tell, and from what you said there's no reason he should go to hell. In fact, he seems like a good person, so I'd say he's going to Jannah. (God knows best.)

You can certainly go to his funeral, pray for him etc.

You said that he believed in God as a child but stopped believing later on. This does not make him a disbeliever, since it's likely that he didn't fully understand religion as a child.

Maybe you could educate him more about the Quran. He seems open-minded; he'd probably accept it, GW.

If you want to know what a disbeliever actually is, please see this article:

http://quransmessage.com/articles/understanding%20kufr%20FM3.htm

Hope this helps 

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General Discussions / Re: POV Question

« on: January 22, 2016, 08:33:04 AM »

  Thank you everyone for clarification. I understand this is a question asked by many doubters and I figured I should clear it up

BTW verse 27:91 switches from 3rd to 2nd person. This change also occurs in Surah Fatiha and has a specific purpose. It's all in the articles

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General Discussions / Re: POV Question

« on: January 21, 2016, 09:13:44 AM »

Also, another question relating to this: Verses like 95:1 talk about God swearing on His creation. Is this actually God swearing, or Muhammad? Why would God swear on His creation and whose point of view are these verses from?

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General Discussions / POV Question

« on: January 21, 2016, 09:10:29 AM »

Salam
This might seem like a strange question, but many verses, such as 27:91, switch to Muhammad's point of view abruptly with no apparent transition. This verse isn't directing Muhammad so say anything, it seems to be directly said by him. Some people use this to say he wrote the Quran himself, because parts of it are seemingly written from his point of view. What are the views of other members on this?

I'm certainly not saying that he wrote it. I'm just saying that some people think he did, because there are many verses that are apparently written from his point of view.

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General Discussions / Re: THANK YOU - To my dear brother and sisters in faith on this forum

« on: January 21, 2016, 06:52:10 AM »

Thnx and this forum is really helpful Everyone is really nice and respectful (almost all the time), and no spamming! It's helped so much

Mia

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General Discussions / Re: Mary or Miriam? Contradiction?

« on: January 21, 2016, 06:41:40 AM »

Salam!!!  *goes crazy upon obtaining Joseph Islam's reply*

Thank you for the article. It did help clear things up. So Mary is not literally Aaron's sister. I still have one question--is the Joachiam mentioned in the Bible the same as Imran, Mary's father?

 

Mariyah

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General Discussions / Re: Non-Muslims question the severity of punishments of Islam.

« on: January 21, 2016, 06:39:16 AM »

Salam Sardar Miyan,

Clearly he's not a 19er. He's arguing in support of hadiths. The Masjidtuscon translation is just that--a translation.

Salam everyone else,

Maybe we should stay on topic here?  Just to cover, I've added a couple articles Qadada should look at:

http://quransmessage.com/articles/god%20has%20warned%20believers%20to%20only%20follow%20the%20quran%20FM3.htm

http://quransmessage.com/articles/hadith%20and%20sunna%20FM3.htm

Brother Qadada, if you look at these objectively they should clear up any issues.

I asked a question earlier on this thread--if someone commits a sin, like theft or adultery, and repents before they are punished, is the punishment lifted? 

Mia

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General Discussions / Re: The Existence of Jinnaat in Islamic Point of View

« on: January 20, 2016, 07:40:15 AM »

Salam

Since Truthseeker advised us to stay on topic, I'll make a brief statement about the Kabah and then continue our discussion regarding jinn.  I  guess the pagans built the Kabah. And then Allah (using Muhammad) got rid of all the idols and made it a place of dedication and worship to one God. I think this shows how falsehood can be reformed--it could be symbolic, I suppose.

About jinn: In pagan Arabia, the term "jinn" was used to refer to "familiar spirits". The idea of spirits existed in pretty much every community at that time, and it still does. This idea was nothing new. The Arabs, however, didn't know about real jinn. They simply thought of jinn as god-like supernatural creatures who could protect people with magic. Thus, their definition of jinn, or spirits, was incorrect. Allah fixed this definition with the Quran. He informed the Arabs that the jinn are actually made of essence of fire, and  that they're not worthy of worship, and that it might be better not to associate with them.

In conclusion, the Arabs, just like every other society, believed in spirits. They called them jinn. They held jinn in high esteem and sometimes worshiped them. The Quran acknowledged the existence of spirits and continued using the term "jinn" to refer to them. However, it redefined these spirits, took away their alleged godlike qualities, and explained to the Arabs that their conception of jinn (spirits) was actually quite far away from the truth.

This is my understanding. The Arabs didn't know about jinn before the Quran came. They simply knew about spirits that bore little resemblance to real jinn, other than their name. God fixed this.

What do y'all think?

Mariyah

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General Discussions / Re: Mary or Miriam? Contradiction?

« on: January 20, 2016, 06:35:52 AM »

Let me clarify. Miriam is the sister of Moses. Mary is the mother of Jesus. Miriam's father's name is supposed to be Amran or Imran, and her other brother's name is Aaron. Mary's father is also called Imran in the Quran, and Aaron is called her brother. However Christian theology says Mary's father was a different man called Joachim. Does the Quran mix up these two women?

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General Discussions / Mary or Miriam? Contradiction?

« on: January 20, 2016, 06:26:43 AM »

Salam
The Quran says Mary was the daughter of Imran. However, isn't it generally accepted that Imran was the father of Moses? It also says Mary is Aaron's sister, but isn't Aaron the brother of Moses? Miriam was apparently a sister of Moses, and many people say the Quran confuses Mary and Miriam. Even Wikipedia, which is supposedly unbiased, says this. In the Bible, Joachim is Mary's father. Is Joachim the same as Imran, or did the Bible get it wrong? Also, why do Mary and Miriam appear to have been switched around in the Quran? They're different people, so this shouldn't have happened. Any ideas?

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Prophets and Messengers / Re: The first Muslim

« on: January 20, 2016, 06:18:47 AM »

Yes, it means the first in their community. The verse about Muhammad being the first to surrender also says "and I am not of the idolaters." This signals that he was the first among those particular idolaters to surrender.

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General Discussions / Re: Shirk Forgiveness

« on: January 19, 2016, 01:13:37 AM »

Salam Seraphina

Yes, that's true...He forgives everyone, and He doesn't punish anyone for accidental sin. This applies to shirk as well, thankfully.

Mariyah ♥

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General Discussions / Re: The Existence of Jinnaat in Islamic Point of View

« on: January 19, 2016, 01:10:14 AM »

Also, if the Kabah wasn't built by Abraham and didn't originally introduce the monotheistic faith, then how did the Arabs know about Allah? Or did they just invent him as one of their gods, and invent the Kabah rituals without any influence from monotheism?   

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General Discussions / Re: Non-Muslims question the severity of punishments of Islam.

« on: January 19, 2016, 01:05:46 AM »

Hi!

I had a question about this: The Quran prescribes 100 lashes for adultery but then says, "those who repent afterward, God is most forgiving and merciful." Does this mean that if someone commits a sin i.e. adultery and repents, then they don't get the 100 lashes? Or does it mean that they repent only after they get the punishment, and then God forgives them? Just wondering

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General Discussions / Re: The Existence of Jinnaat in Islamic Point of View

« on: January 19, 2016, 01:03:34 AM »

Salam

You said:

"Is that, although the site in Mecca was not the holy site that was used by Abraham or any other prophet that is known to us through any scripture, the practices of old which was started in Bekka by Abraham( assuming it was in holy lands of Jerusalem) was REINSTITUTED  in Mecca. Mecca which is the home land of the prophet Muhammad(pbuh) from childhood which could of consisted to the change of the Qibla by God because Muhammad and his people desired or pleased with."

This would make sense. So Abrahamic practices WERE reintroduced to Arabia, but not from Ishmael.

You also said:

"I don't think there is any proof that the pagans either believed in Jinns or disbelieved in them in any way. There is no proof of that. It also could of been passed on from Abrahams people but not in the correct form. No different of how people may hear of Islam who are distant from it. They might think the opposite of what it might be and some may adapt certain things that are correct."

I have to disagree, because there is archaeological evidence that the Arabs paid tributes to jinn in some way. They were considered to be spirits who could control people and help them.

Also, the Quran says people worshipped jinn in pagan Arabia:

"And they made the jinn associates with Allah, while He created them, and they falsely attributed to Him, and highly exalted is He above what they ascribe to Him." (6:100)

I was wondering, do you think these people actually interacted with jinn, or were jinn just a belief they made up?

These Arabs also worshipped a supreme god called Allah, although they set up intercessors with Him and worshipped them as well. Allah in Arabic just means "the God". I guess when the Quran came along, it got rid of all the other gods and reinstituted Allah as the One God.

In addition, you stated that the Arabs had not received any guidance before Muhammad arrived. It's possible that the Quran is referring to those particular Arabs who lived at that time, and not necessarily all the Arabs that had ever lived in that land. (God knows best

I read the article, and it's clear from this article that the Kabah wasn't the original "house of God" that Abraham had built. It's weird, because I was taught all my life that Abraham and Ishmael built it.

Mia