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Salaam.

The word meaning The Hour, with the Definite Article Alif Lam, appears 41 times in Al Qur'an.

{I use my (Arabic) Concordance and Index of the Holy Qur'an, by M. F. A. Baqui}

Everywhere it means, quite clearly, the same: The Hour - The Hereafter.

It is only Parvez who had the temerity to highjack scores of Verses indicating The Hereafter, to mean a temporal revolution - Islam, toppling the rest.

The moot question is: Which Islam? Shia, Sunni, Salafi, ..........?

Again, will this conjectural revolution be a product of evolution, or.........?

Or, are these two questions, including a previous one, irrelevant, or irrational?

Regards,
A. Ismail Sait.




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General Discussions / Dvouring people's money by deceit.
« on: December 19, 2013, 04:00:09 AM »
Salaam.

(4:160-161-162)  "...and their devouring of men's substance wrongfully..."

Click:

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304173704579262693876479358

It is not about vitamins found in natural substances. Even in excess, they are not harmful.

Regards,
A. Ismail Sait.

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Islamic Duties / Re: Salath ul Wasta
« on: December 19, 2013, 03:26:51 AM »
Salaam.

The derivatives of the root VST (T here represents the sixteenth letter of the Arabic Alphabet) are found in just five places in Al Qur'an:

2:143, 2:238, 5:89, 68:28, & 100:5.

Justly balnced, Middle or the best and the most excellent, average, a degree better, and, (as a verb, meaning:) charged right amidst, (respectively). The underlined, is presently the subject of our discussion.

According to Abdulla Yusuf Ali, exegetes have rendered it in both ways, some preferring the one over the the other.

In all humbleness, as far as I have seen, when juxtaposed with Salat al Fajr and Salath Al "Isha (both specified in 24:58), both of which are Possessive clauses, and since Al Salat Al Wusta is an Adjectival clause, it is about the quality and not about the mathematical or physical position.

Regards,
A. Ismail Sait. 


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Islamic Duties / Re: Salath ul Wasta
« on: December 18, 2013, 08:52:25 PM »
Salaam.

It is not a after W. It is Wusta, the u pronounced as the u in Muslim.

A lot of discussion regarding the relevant verse has preceded your post, in this forum.

First, clarify, what do you understand from them.

Then, express clearly your doubts.

Regards,
A. Ismail Sait.

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Salaam.

22:1-7 is not about any temporal revolution.

In 14:41, Abraham beseeches Allah to protect him and the Believers on the Day of Judgment.

In 14:42 onwards, God spells out categorically that in spite of their most subtle and most sophisticated devices, and the respite they are being granted, the detractors of Prophets will not be spared.

21:11-15 is about the temporal punishment the enemies of the Prophets will meet with finally in this world.

75:11 is specifically regarding life after death.

21:11-15 is about their end in this world.

44:29 is about their end in this world. None will pity them, nor will they be granted respite any more.

20:15 is about life after death. The hour, or exact time of the awakening after death was to be kept hidden. And then everone will be treated according to his/her endeavors.

43:61 declares the fact that Jesus was knowledge of the Hour.

It only means that Jesus was meant only to create awareness of the coming Hour - Qiyamath - even as all other Prophets were "knowledge personified", of the Hour to come, so that mankind may be prepared to face it.

3:46-55, 43:63-66 - give no hint of a final showdown between haqq and batil, as Parvez would have us believe.

Regards,
A. Ismail Sait.

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Salaam.

Thanks. Your post has been very informative.

The moot question is whether there is any concrete prediction in Al Qur'an that before Qiyamah,

the whole world will embrace Islam?

The word 'Sovereign', or Malik, when used in the temporal sense, do not carry the absoluteness which they do carry when used with respect to God.

Monarchy, as such, is not condemned in the Qur'an. Only tyranny and oppression.

(9:34) is not an absolute condemnation of priests. Only the attitude of a majority of them.

Regards,
A. Ismail Sait.

127
Salaam.

Actually it is a Quranic truth that, the humanity, ultimately, however long time it may take, by dint of its own experiments and observation, will ultimately reach the Divine Order which has the responsibility for nourishing all humanity

Please give reference for your claim.

As an example the Quran condemned monarchy as a falsehood fourteen hundred years ago.  It explained that no human had the right to rule another, and that people should adopt the principle of mutual consultation to manage their everyday affairs.

Nowhere does Qur'an condemn monarchy. It only condemns tyranny and oppression.

Tyranny and oppression has been condemned by all right thinking people, since time immemorial.
Not just fourteen hundred years.   

It is possible, and quite plausible that a Calif may be acting like a despot, unmindful of any relevant consultation.

What do you mean by, "It explained that no human had the right to rule another"?

There is no absolute condemnation of priests and priesthood. See, (5:82), (57:27).

It tells us that there is no need for an intercessor between people and God.

Commendable. This message should reach one and all.

It declares that all humans are created equal and every one is equal by virtue of having a common origin (4:1)

It declares that God has raised us in ranks, some above the other, materially (6:165), and spiritually (49:13), in spite of being created from a single person (4:1), as human beings, all.

In this century we have taken strides in eliminating slavery across the world.

According to:

http://www.swamiagnivesh.com/aboutbmm.htm

"India, the largest democratic country in the world, has 65 million bonded child labourers, and 300 million adult labourers living a life of bondage and contemporary forms of slavery, according to our estimates."

What is described in (13:17), is the Parable of rain. It is likened to Prophetic revelation. It is like Allah's bounty in the form of rain falling from the sky, and, clearly defining truth from falsehood. Truth remains, and falsehood separates, and is washed away, and then it perishes (21:18). This was exactly what was achieved by Prophet Muhammed's efforts. It was not achieved by the sword.
Falsehood doesn't get separated and washed away by exploding bombs.

The Quran states that division by colour, caste, language and ethnicity is utterly unacceptable and all human beings belong to one family and one ummah (nation).  Today the world’s people are accepting this as a universal truth

It has been accepted in India, eons back, as the truth: Vasudeva Kudumbakam, they say, in Sanskrit.

(84:6) is about life after death.

Regards,
A. Ismail Sait.

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General Discussions / Re: Response to A. Ismail Sait : Islamic State
« on: December 16, 2013, 02:58:56 PM »
Salaam.

6:45, is about how God destroyed the opponents of truth, after it had been made clear to them, and after they had been given adequate respite to think and reflect.

Mostly, it was by through what people call Natural Calamities. Actually it was divine punishment.

Sometimes the punishment is at the hands of the true followers of God's Prophets. And the power is Providential. Prophets' mission is never power-focused. (9:52)

39:46 is about life after death.

See the contexts of both verses in Al Qur'an

Rrgards,
A. Ismail Sait.


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General Discussions / Re: Response to A. Ismail Sait : Islamic State
« on: December 15, 2013, 09:26:17 PM »
Salaam.

Any examples?? (keeping also in mind the responsibility of the prophet to discharge his responsibilities and duties being the head of the Divinely-ordained System)

Any example? Why? The example of the Islamic State of Medina will suffice.

The Prophet established it only when he got the temporal power to do it. It was only then that he took up the responsibility of administration as the Head of State.

My question was who is responsible to establish  this Islamic state.  Since you yourself admit that it was prophet and his companions who established the Islamic state initially, now in the absense of prophet, whether this responsibility is taken away by Allah from the Muslims?

Since Divine Jurisprudence is part of Al Qur'an, we must enforce it when we get temporal power. That is our Prophet's Sunnah.

Anyhow, your comments were slightly off-focused.  The point I wanted to convey focusing this analogy was to show you that,  though it is ultimately Allah who grants us power to rule, it is not given to anyone from the sky on a fine morning.  The power to rule will be given to those who are focused on this goal and work and strive hard.  The fact remains that Allah will not change the condition of any people on a fine morning without any human effort.

Nobody focuses on sickness and its treatment. People focus only on their health. They try to live as well as possible. Only when faced with any eventuality, they look for available resources, according to their affordability, etc. That is all. Not even the most powerful man on earth is equipped to face any eventuality, especially regarding his health.

The quest for power is not part of Islam.

Regards,
A. Ismail Sait.

130
Salaam.

Here is a further link on the same subject:

http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/muslimindians/conversations/messages/52466

Regards,
A. Ismail Sait.

131
Salaam.

The following is the text of the message:


Personal Message
Friday, December 13, 2013
 
I wholeheartedly agree with professor Hayee’s assessment of America as the most Islamic nation. I will go further to say that it is Americans who made America the way it is. Thus, the credit should go to the people, not to the country. This is consistent with the assessment of Sheikh Muhammad Abdu, the Muslim Egyptian Scholar. He went to study in France and when he returned to Egypt, he was asked: tell us about the French people? He answered: I saw Muslims without Islam; but here in Egypt, I see Islam without Muslims.
 
Professor Hayee compared America with Muslim Countries. But how about comparing our first generation of Muslim Americans, who immigrated to America from their Muslim counties, with fellow Americans. We, the first generations, have to learn a lot from fellow Americans in the same areas outlined by Prof. Hayee, and more! One obvious area is that most Muslim Americans never show up on time, while Americans never show up late!
 
Metwalli Amer
Prof. Emeritus
 
From: Ras Siddiqui [mailto:rsiddiqui@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 4:46 PM
To: Ras Siddiqui
Subject: Besides being our home the United States is WHAT ............?
 
I thought that I would share this with as many friends & family as possible during this Holiday Season.
Ras H. Siddiqui
 
The author is Imran Hayee and the website link is:
http://muslimwriters.org/2013/12/08/freedom-cleanliness-make-us-the-worlds-most-islamic-nation/
Freedom, cleanliness make US the world’s most Islamic nation
Over Thanksgiving dinner a friend asked me a usual question: “What are you thankful for today?”
My answer was rather unusual: “I am thankful to live in the most Islamic country of the world.”
With a stunned face, my friend instantly reacted, “America, the most Islamic country!?”
To alleviate his astonishment I tried to differentiate a Muslim country from an Islamic country. A country is a Muslim country if most of its residents call themselves Muslims but an Islamic country is one where most, if not all, Islamic values prevail, regardless of the size of its Muslim population.
Puzzled once again, he exclaimed, “What Islamic values?”
To elaborate, I highlighted fundamental Islamic values that sadly most Muslim countries are devoid of today but America still embraces.
My first example was cleanliness. Every Muslim knows Prophet Muhammad declared cleanliness equivalent to half of the Islamic faith. The Islamic concept of cleanliness ranges from personal hygiene to environmental well-being. Today no Muslim country — with or without oil money — can come close to the cleanliness standards we enjoy in America. America’s Environmental Protection Agency and Centers for Disease Control have unprecedented authority and latitude to ensure environmental safety and public health.
After cleanliness, I reverted to charitable giving, which is, in fact, one of the five pillars of Islam. Numerous verses of the Quran urge Muslims to help the needy and feed the hungry. No doubt Muslims around the world are generous in giving, but Americans simply outdo them. According to the World Giving Index, which ranks 153 countries across the globe for their charitable behavior, no Muslim country ever surpassed the U.S. America even topped the list in 2011.
My friend countered, “That’s because America is rich. Every year, Muslim countries raise hundreds of billions of dollars in charity.”
“True,” I acknowledged, “but corruption devours most of it.” I advanced my argument by quoting many verses from the Quran that demand Muslims show the utmost honesty, truthfulness and justice in all worldly and religious matters. However, the behavior of Muslim countries tells an opposite story. Many Muslim countries were ranked in the bottom 25 of 176 countries by the Transparency International’s Corruption Perception Index of 2012. No Muslim country ranked in the top 25 least-corrupt countries, where America stood at 17th position.
My friend, who seemed to understand my viewpoint by now, questioned again: “Many other non-Muslim countries are better than America in the corruption index. Why is America the most Islamic country?”
“Religious freedom,” I answered without difficulty. America champions the highest standard of religious freedom, a lost Islamic value, protecting the rights of all human beings, regardless of their color or creed. Prophet Muhammad set the precedent for Muslims by writing the historic Charter of Medina when he founded the first Islamic state in 622. The Charter of Medina safeguarded fundamental human rights for all citizens living under one state, including Jews, Christians, Pagans and Muslims. Ironically, 1,400 years later, most Muslim countries treat their minorities as second-class citizens and allow chaotic Muslim mobs to burn churches and temples. Let alone minorities of other faiths, some Muslim sects who do not conform to their puritanical definition of Islam face brutal persecution. Today, Muhammad’s Charter of Medina is reflected in the U.S. Constitution. While some European countries have banned building minarets on Mosques and stopped Muslim women from wearing the Islamic veil, American courts have struck down any such attempts as unconstitutional.
My friend finally rested his questioning.
I am not sure if I convinced him, but I genuinely believe America is the most Islamic country in the world today, and I am so grateful that I live here. May God bless America!
By Imran Hayee  M. Imran Hayee is a professor and director of graduate studies in the electrical engineering department at the University of Minnesota Duluth.
Originally Published in the Duluth News Tribune

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General Discussions / Islamic country or Muslim country - Food for thought.
« on: December 15, 2013, 03:03:52 AM »
Salaam.

Click the following link, sit back, and think!:

http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/muslimindians/conversations/messages/52464

Regards,
A. Ismail Sait.

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General Discussions / Re: Response to A. Ismail Sait : Islamic State
« on: December 14, 2013, 10:51:20 PM »
Salaam.

1. Will you agree with me Prophet endeavored to follow and to put into practice each and every commandments contained in the Quran?
2. Do you think that, in the absense of power to rule, the prophet could have managed to into practice all commandments contained in the Quran?


The Prophet never endeavored to put into practice whatever was not applicable to him.

How can you follow all Allah's commandments, say for instance, the criminal laws of Islam without the power to rule?

I do not know.

1. Who established this Islamic State?
2. Who is responsible to establish this Islamic state?


1. The Prophet established an Islamic State.
2. Al Qur'an: 22:39-41.

1. It is said in Quran “when I am ill, it is He (Allah) Who cures me.  وَإِذَا مَرِضْتُ فَهُوَ يَشْفِينِ
2. No where it is mentioned in the Quran when we are sick to visit a doctor and get treatment.

Do you think that according to the Quran we are not supposed to go to doctor?


1. The Truth! Must be etched on the walls of all medical colleges, hospitals, and dispensaries.
2. Looks like, God disapproves commercialization of sickness.

Do you think that according to the Qur'an we are not supposed to go to doctor?

Depends on personal discretion. Ultimately, it is He who cures. 


Regards,
A. Ismail Sait.




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General Discussions / Re: Response to A. Ismail Sait : Islamic State
« on: December 14, 2013, 04:52:24 PM »
Salaam.

The focus of Prophets' endeavors was never the achievement of power.

We are their followers.

3:78 is not an injunction to strive to achieve the power to rule.

4:75 is addressed to an Islamic State.



Regards,
A. Ismail Sait.

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General Discussions / Re: The Basmala
« on: December 14, 2013, 01:02:51 AM »
Salaam.

All copies of the Qur'an contain the same text, end to end. People have differed as to where each verse begins, and, as to where each verse ends. That is how the differences in the count.

Regards,
A. Ismail Sait.

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