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Islamic Duties / Re: The Role of Tableeghi Jamaat
« on: December 07, 2013, 12:10:12 PM »
In General Discussions, Result of mere lip service to Al Quran

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Islamic Duties / Re: The Role of Tableeghi Jamaat
« on: December 07, 2013, 05:51:35 AM »
Salaam

Sardar Mian, click on the following Middle East Forum link for a little bit of information on the Thableegi Jama'ath:

http://www.meforum.org/article/686

A recent post by me on our JAI's QF, is also an eye opener.

Regards,
A. Ismail Sait.

153
General Discussions / Re: Who/What is Michael?
« on: December 05, 2013, 08:48:42 PM »
Salaam.

Like Meekal (2:98), the following names (?) appear in Al Qur'an only once:

Allat, Al 'Uzza, and Manat (53:19-20).

Waddan, Suwa'an, Yagoos, Ya'ooq, and Nasran (71:23).

Nothing more than what accrues from their contexts, we know. And the contexts are there in the Qur'an for all to see. And we do believe in them, Al Hamdu Lillah.

Also read 7:185, 45:6.

Regards,
A. Ismail Sait.   


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General Discussions / Re: An attempt at understanding 2:238
« on: December 05, 2013, 05:51:30 PM »
Salaam.

The following is Shabbeer's translation of 24:58:

(Your social mannerism begins at home.) O You who have chosen to be graced with
belief! Let your servants and children who have not yet come of age ask your
permission before coming in to see you on three occasions: Before you engage
in your assignments at dawn, at noon when you are resting with light clothes,
and after you have completed your assignments at night. These are your three
times of privacy. At other times it is not wrong for you or for them to move
about freely, attending to one another. In this way, God makes clear to you the
revelations. God is Knower, Wise.


Here he has translated Salat Al Fajr as your assignments at dawn.

First of all the word Salat is here in the singular, and assignments is plural.

Secondly, the wording is not your salat in 24:58. You might not have attended the dawn salat for some reason or the other. Still the injunction holds good.

Third, and the most important thing here is that prepubescent boys and girls are to be instructed to get your permission always during such and such a period. Only if a general, very prominent sign is given to them regarding the particular period when permission is compulsory, will it work. Early morning ritual prayer is the best signal for that. The text of Al Qur'an is not ambiguous regarding any instruction. Every translation may carry it's own merits. But we should not be unduly rigid.

Regards,
A. Ismail Sait.

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General Discussions / An attempt at understanding 2:238
« on: December 05, 2013, 02:43:40 AM »
Salaam.

An attempt at understanding 2:238

"Guard strictly the Salats, and (seek the fulfillment of each Salat according to the ideal) Al Salat Al Wusta, and, stand before Allah in a devout (frame of mind)". (2:238)

Of course, during the Prophet's time there wasn't such a proliferation of devices that show the time at any given moment. They knew Salath Al Fajr was at hand, for example, when they sensed that it was dawn; and, when they heard the Mu'azzin's call, they started out to the Masjid. And when the people had gathered, the Iqama was proclaimed.

But today, due to changed circumstances, timings are fixed, accurate to the minute, for the congregational prayers, as well as for the general call to prayers – all within the fixed time periods indicated by the possessive clauses Salat Al fajr, and Salat Al 'Isha.

There are only two compulsory Salats - Salat Al Fajr, and Salat Al 'Isha (24:58). These words themselves reveal their time bound nature subject to 4:103. These two names continue to be in vogue even today.

2:238 asks us to guard strictly the Salats. Here the plural is used and not the dual. Because:

(1)   It refers to the Salats performed by the individual, day in and day out.
(2)   Or it refers to the Salats of all the individuals in a congregation.
(3)   Or, the plural is used in order to mean the dual, which is allowed.

Al Salat Al wusta (2:238) is an adjectival clause that calls our attention to the Salats’ standard and quality.

As such, waw of conjunction before this clause would become waw of elucidation.

If you look up Lane’s Lexicon, or the five verses where the root wst of Al Wustha is used (2:143, 2:238, 5:89, 68:28, and 100:5), you will see that it denotes much more than a mere numerical or geometrical middle.  [Note that the third root letter is the sixteenth letter of the Arabic alphabet.]

It is the standard, exemplary, ideal religious exercise, occupying a legitimately honorable place amid the religious observances of the world!

It is not to be an empty ritual stuck in a web of technicalities. Instead, it means a salat qualified by objectivity, and pregnant with the potential to transform our whole life into one of total and complete devotion and dedication to God. See also:  23:1-2, 107:5

It is for recalling to mind, God, life’s responsibilities, and the thought of the Judgment Day.

It‘s purpose is to sustain and perpetuate the remembrance of God (20:14), especially through the medium of His Book recited in Salat (7:170, 35:29, 29:45).

Immediately after this adjectival clause, we again have a waw of elucidation followed by the injunction:  “…stand for Allah in a state of total commitment to Him in uttermost servitude.”

This elucidates the above adjectival clause, which in turn elucidates the word Salat in the plural 'Salats' in 2:238. See also 23:1-2.

Thus we have:

"Guard strictly the Salats, and (seek the fulfillment of each Salat according to the ideal) Al Salat Al Wusta, and, stand before Allah in a devout (frame of mind)". (2:238)

[In writing this article, I have taken the cue from the (Urdu) Thafseer Bayanullinnas by Khaja Ahmeduddin of Amritsar, India.]

Regards,
A. Ismail Sait.


156
General Discussions / Re: Crucifixion
« on: November 30, 2013, 04:07:45 AM »
Salaam.

(1)  That they killed Jesus, was more their proud boast, than reality, of which they themselves were not sure.

Their utter pride and prejudice is found in their mention of Jesus as Messenger of God as in 4:157, which please see.

All their ire at Jesus was only because he claimed that he was Messenger of God, and they rejected his claim. Yet they boasted that it was the Messenger of God that they killed.

(2)  When they had stooped so low as to seek the death of God's Prophets, it was as though they were guilty of the most heinous crime of Prophets' murder. Because, the Prophets were saved only because of special divine protection. Their enemies were hell bent on killing them.

It is like Abraham actually trying to sacrifice his son, and God declaring: "...O Abraham, you did fulfill the dream..." (37:104-105) Although his son was divinely prevented from being killed!

(3)  The Arabic derivative of the root QTL translated as killed, also means, to spoil, or utterly spoil some one, or to prevent or bar some one's success or growth.

Thus it will mean the Jews' most wicked and strongest efforts to spoil the Prophets' holy plans. It is as good as killing the holy Prophets, for all practical purposes.

Narrating the Ten Commandments, it is mentioned: "...and kill not your children for poverty; We provide for you and them..." (6:151).

Here again, the root is QTL. Here, most traditional commentators of Al Qur'an have stressed the point that it is the neglect of  children - by not providing for their basic education, and thus spoiling them in the name of poverty - that is actually meant in (6:151). Qur'anists too have stressed the point, and they say that in the Arabia of Muhammed's time, there is no historic evidence that male children were killed. Qur'an too mentions only the killing of female children, elsewhere in Al Qur'an.

Regards,
A. Ismail Sait.
 
 

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General Discussions / Re: Pre-islamic arabia and the influence of hindhuism
« on: November 30, 2013, 02:16:31 AM »
Salaam.

I too am an Indian. I have several Lingayath friends. Instead of asking them, I browsed the Net and found, as in my last post: Hindu lingam doesn't have a particular shape. Look at the photos of famous lingams in Wikipedia.

Once, several years ago I had occasion to talk to an accomplished elderly Lingayath regarding religion.

He was emphatic that his religion is Monotheistic. He had several pictures of Hindu deities all around him. When I questioned him regarding all that, he said, all that is mere show.

He also said that they keep a somewhat oval shaped (?) stone on the palm of their hand during their daily morning prayers. And that it symbolizes the fact that we should consider the whole world and pray for all the world. He added that we should not be selfish and pray only for selfish ends.

The black stone is not mentioned in Al Qur'an.

Regards,
A. Ismail Sait.

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General Discussions / Re: Crucifixion
« on: November 29, 2013, 01:19:03 PM »
Salaam.

It is a rule that the person appointed in order that he call the people towards God, at a time when a place is overwhelmed with vice and inequity, is well guarded against being destroyed by the enemies. This is reasonable, as the head of the most vital mission in the world does need special protection.

It has been so as far as Qur'an is concerned.

Each and every Prophet about whom there is narrative in the Book, has always been kept well guarded against the most vicious cunning of the enemies.

This divinely provided security is one of the main themes of Al Qur'an.

Traditionally, Jesus and Yahya allegedly met with violent deaths at the hands of their enemies.

About Yahya God declares: And peace on him the day he was born, the day that he dies, and the day he will be raised up alive! (19:15)

Jesus avers: And peace on me the day I was born, the day I die, and the day Iwill will be raised up alive! (19:33)

 Zakariyya too, allegedly died a violent death. It is not confirmed by Al Qur'an.

Regards,
A. Ismail Sait.

 

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General Discussions / Re: Pre-islamic arabia and the influence of hindhuism
« on: November 29, 2013, 04:45:44 AM »
Salaam.

The spirit of Hajj is the legacy of Prophet Abraham. Outward rituals devoid of the spirit do not count.

The black stone is not mentioned in Al Qur'an, let alone kissing it.

Similar is the fate of throwing stones (purportedly) at the devil.

The dress code in vogue is not mentioned in the Qur'an.

Even the meaning of circumambulation is disputed. For, the word considered to mean going round seven times, also means simply going about, like a tourist goes about an ancient site.

This meaning is all the more evident when we see that the Qur'an actually asks us to go about the ancient house - Al Baith Al 'Atheeq  (22:29)

Sardar Mian,

Whistling and clapping in worship was done by the pagans in Muhammed's time. (8:35)

The number of idols is not mentioned in Al Qur'an.

Hindu lingam doesn't have a particular shape. Look at the photos of famous lingams in Wikipedia.

Historically, hajreaswad was snatched away by a Muslim ruler in a raid, and broken to pieces. The stone that is seen today is said to be the broken thing plastered together!

Regards,
A. Ismail Sait.

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General Discussions / Re: Crucifixion
« on: November 29, 2013, 02:38:55 AM »
Salaam.

According to 3:55, Jesus was caused to die.

Although we define death in so many ways for practical purposes, a comprehensive knowledge of death is not ours. See:   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death

According to 67:2, He created both, death as well as life.

What is death? He alone knows. "Should He not Know, - He that created? ..." 67:14.

According to 2:154, we are asked not to call those killed in the path of God, dead! And we are informed that they are alive. Also, 3:169.

That means they are, for sure, killed, for all practical purposes.

Quran only says that they did not kill Jesus any way, including crucifixion.

Only those killed in the way of God, are alive, according to 2:164, and 3:169.

Humbly,
A. Ismail Sait.


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General Discussions / Re: Result of mere lip service to Al Qur'an.
« on: November 28, 2013, 09:24:15 PM »
Salaam.

You said: "Providing  basic Quranic education is the responsibility of Muslims & Tableeghi Jamaat."

When the the Thableegi Jama'ath - today's most popular and most widespread religious organization in the world - blatantly refuses to give primacy to Al Qur'an in their mission, and when the Ulema give primary importance to other sources, who is going to take the responsibility of at least reading out a mere translation of the Book, to school children in the class room, if not those who think (like that school manager) that Muslims believe in the primacy of Al Qur'an, ? After all, he who reads it to others, will be the first to ponder over it.

You see, the parents could not even give the school manager a good chance to ponder over Al Qur'an.

Yes, and not without reason. The more a so called non Muslim reads and ponders over Al Qur'an, the more he will perceive how much far removed from Al Qur'an today's Muslims are.

This attitude of today's Muslims is akin to the attitude of the people of the Book, who used to warn one another against revealing the truth in the Torah to the Sahaba of Prophet Muhammed, lest the Sahaba get a fair evidence against the Jews' refusal to accept the truth in both precept and practice. (See 2:76)

We know only to retort at such a kind and great gesture proudly saying, "our children read the Qur'an at home anyway". But the whole world knows that we read, if at all we do, without pondering over it's meaning. We will suffer in both the worlds for repulsing a great gesture.

I think, in today's world, there is not much in a name, for us to be prejudiced against.

Regards,
A. Ismail Sait.

 

 

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Salaam.

[Except the Companions Of the Right Hand, (they will be) in Gardens (of Delight): they will question each other, and (ask) of the Sinners: "What led you into Hell Fire?" They will say: "We were not of those who prayed; nor were we of those who fed the indigent; But we used to talk vanities with vain talkers; and we used to deny the Day of Judgement, until came to us (The Hour) that is certain." Then will no intercession of (any intercessors profit them.] 74:39-48

Regards,
A. Ismail Sait.

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Discussions / Re: secularism
« on: November 24, 2013, 02:40:57 AM »

This is the response I get on clicking the link you have provided:

"Syrian Poet Adonis Calls fo..." The YouTube account associated with this video has been terminated due to multiple third-party notifications of copyright infringement.
Sorry about that.


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General Discussions / Re: Hello from a Monotheist outside of Islam
« on: November 23, 2013, 10:14:56 PM »
Salaam.

Brother Daniel,

Thank you so much for the correction and clarification.

I just copied and pasted [Mark 12:28-30] on the search engine and clicked. And I was overwhelmed with an avalanche of results similar to the one you posted.

Thanks again.
A. Ismail Sait.

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General Discussions / Result of mere lip service to Al Qur'an.
« on: November 23, 2013, 09:47:03 PM »
Salaam.

Visit Mewath District of India, the flagship of World Thableegi Jama’ath. It is a district dominated by the Muslim community called Meo. It is where the best of Thableegi  Jama’ath is concentrated since the Jama’ath’s very inception. And this, not in the least due to the special attention paid to the area by Moulavi Ilyas, the Jama’at’a originator. The world of Thableegi Jama’ath still recognizes the district’s centrality, and unique importance within the organization.

Yet, even after more than half a century of the Jama'ath's most fervent, concerted, relentless missionary endeavors, the fate of the district, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mewat_District  is:

[Mewat has remained a region of backwardness even after independence. The area lags behind the rest of Haryana State on almost every yardstick of development indices, even though the farthest point of Mewat is no farther than 145 km. from the National Capital of India.] The district’s nearest point is only 20 kilometers from New Delhi Airport.

And if you want to have glimse of what impact the Jama’ath has made on the Muslims regarding paying attention to Al Qur’an, please see the following report:

According to http://www.indianexpress.com/news/a-new-chapter-for-mewat/596465/7

Balwant Saini, a Hindu from Karhera village in Mewat, established Saini Vidya Niketan, a class I-VII school, in April 2009, after working as an administrator in a school in Faridabad. "To draw more students, I included Urdu and Islamic studies in my school," he says. He got "over 800 applications". Today, at his eight-room school, most of the 400 students study in the open. Urdu here is compulsory from class III to VI—his own daughter is fluent in the language. Saini says he had asked parents if they wanted Quranic translation to be taught at the school but "not even 10 agreed". "They said they read the Quran at home anyway," he says.

No doubt, denying primary attention to Al Qur’an, ultimately leads to ignominy, and destruction.

Regards,
A. Ismail Sait.

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