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General Discussions / Re: The Quran supports a Geocentric view of the universe?

« on: January 09, 2016, 11:18:43 PM »

Salute @GL,

1--Ten years ago, your statement would have been correct. Since then, I made it my business to learn Arabic and study Qoran from cover to cover.

You've been studying (post-quranic) MSA for ten years ! Wow !!!

Too bad, the Quran's original language is neither MSA nor Classical Arabic, but "Nabatean" Aramaic !

I am happy to announce  I have now memorised most of the Qoran in Arabic.
Yes brother From surah "Alfatiha, to surah "Al-Naas", I am still rehearsing the "HM s" chapters as i am finding I need more practice with these surahs.
GOD willing I have made a target to achieve my goal of memorising all Qoran by this year- 2016- from cover to cover.

Good ! Though memorization does not = understanding !

This is another project I wanted to add to my study of Qoran for my own benefit.
I am more than happy to meet with you and some volunteer witnesses to check my claim.

As an ex-sunni, i come from a society whereof most people memorize the Quran by heart, from infants to old people, yet most don't understand what they are parroting. So again, memorizing the Quran does not mean you understand the messages of the Quran.

2- I do not claim to be an expert  or expect anyone to take my words as "facts" like you seem to imply about you.

The Quran is crystal clear for the rational/objective reader, you just wish to foist your baseless/inherited "spinning/rotating ball" upon the clear text out of confirmation bias (to satisfy your inner ego).

Let the messenger speak for itself, brother.

I always ask others to use "17:36" and check for themselves. Also Qoran is clear that knowing Arabic is not the most important factor to study/ learn Qoran:
2:118
وَقالَ الَّذينَ لا يَعلَمونَ لَولا يُكَلِّمُنَا اللَّهُ أَو تَأتينا ءايَةٌ كَذٰلِكَ قالَ الَّذينَ مِن قَبلِهِم مِثلَ قَولِهِم تَشٰبَهَت قُلوبُهُم قَد بَيَّنَّا الـٔايٰتِ لِقَومٍ يوقِنونَ

GOD is saying here "those you attain certainty", It does not mean those who understand Arabic!!!
5:68:
قُل يٰأَهلَ الكِتٰبِ لَستُم عَلىٰ شَىءٍ حَتّىٰ تُقيمُوا التَّورىٰةَ وَالإِنجيلَ وَما أُنزِلَ إِلَيكُم مِن رَبِّكُم وَلَيَزيدَنَّ كَثيرًا مِنهُم ما أُنزِلَ إِلَيكَ مِن رَبِّكَ طُغيٰنًا وَكُفرًا فَلا تَأسَ عَلَى القَومِ الكٰفِرينَ

GOD is saying here "whether one knows Arabic or not" most will not benefit from Qoran!!!!
7:146:
سَأَصرِفُ عَن ءايٰتِىَ الَّذينَ يَتَكَبَّرونَ فِى الأَرضِ بِغَيرِ الحَقِّ وَإِن يَرَوا كُلَّ ءايَةٍ لا يُؤمِنوا بِها وَإِن يَرَوا سَبيلَ الرُّشدِ لا يَتَّخِذوهُ سَبيلًا وَإِن يَرَوا سَبيلَ الغَىِّ يَتَّخِذوهُ سَبيلًا ذٰلِكَ بِأَنَّهُم كَذَّبوا بِـٔايٰتِنا وَكانوا عَنها غٰفِلينَ
Brother, it is obvious to you,since you know Arabic what GOD is saying here.i.e irrelavant whether one knows Arabic!!!
41:44:
وَلَو جَعَلنٰهُ قُرءانًا أَعجَمِيًّا لَقالوا لَولا فُصِّلَت ءايٰتُهُ ءَأَعجَمِىٌّ وَعَرَبِىٌّ قُل هُوَ لِلَّذينَ ءامَنوا هُدًى وَشِفاءٌ وَالَّذينَ لا يُؤمِنونَ فى ءاذانِهِم وَقرٌ وَهُوَ عَلَيهِم عَمًى أُولٰئِكَ يُنادَونَ مِن مَكانٍ بَعيدٍ

And similarly here!!!!
In other words GOD is saying:
56:79:
لا يَمَسُّهُ إِلَّا المُطَهَّرونَ
Hope that clarifies my side for you and the readers.

Actually, you cannot correctly understand the Quran without learning its original language first, this is only factual ! The textus constantly proclaims itself to be in an evident, Arabian tongue ! Natheless, if you wish, i can point out some recent inputs of yours from FM whereof it's plain that you can't even understand basic Arabic.

سلام

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General Discussions / Re: The Quran supports a Geocentric view of the universe?

« on: January 09, 2016, 08:39:48 PM »

I mean no disrespect but, last time i checked, "good logic" is a non-Arabic speaker who's never read/studied the WHOLE quranic text in its original language, as such i wouldn't take his word for anything here! The Quran advocate a non-rotating PLANATE earth. I'm a native Arabic speaker and a linguist/Arabist by profession currently working on a quranic lexicon, still don't take my word for it. Look it up yourself. Both the sun and moon are in motion in the Quran, and the earth a stable, outstretched plane.

Earth's flatness/levelness is an OBSERVABLE living FACT backed up by ground-based experiments and high-altitude observational evidence. Hence, the quranic question: Do they not then LOOK ?! (افلا ينظرون)



سلام

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General Discussions / Re: Geocentrism and Flat Earth in Quran II

« on: January 08, 2016, 08:26:14 AM »

Clearly, i'm talking to walls here !!!

@Hassan, i understand that you can NEVER explain the evident hotspot of the close/small sun/lamp over the clouds from a heliocentric point of view, which proves that heliocentrism is a joke based on nix but blind faith in charlatans ! Though, the least thing i expect you to understand is that NASA fakes stuff, like the following 2002 image of the fake "ball-earth" :



If you can't understand this simple fact,
then be my guest and live in denial (consumed by cognitive dissonance).

سلام

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General Discussions / Re: Geocentrism and Flat Earth in Quran II

« on: January 08, 2016, 08:08:35 AM »

I think I should respond to your idea that NASA is composed of Freemasons. This is ridiculous, unsupported, and illogical. NASA is a respectable organization that I plan to work for, God willing, if I get my aero engineering degree. NASA is not composed of liars, and it DOES launch space shuttles and send people to the moon in real life. I've seen an actual shuttle launch from the Kennedy space station in Florida. Do not accuse random NASA members of lying and forging fake pictures. You don't know what you're doing.

Do your homework !

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General Discussions / Re: Geocentrism and Flat Earth in Quran II

« on: January 08, 2016, 06:01:40 AM »

Salute @Hassan !

Why do you accuse me of "cherry picking" when it's only normal for me to back up my claim/s ?! Had i not provided evidence my case would have been baseless and ye would have accused me of lying (as Mia started to emply) ! How does presenting evidence for a case = "cherry picking ?! What kind of reasoning is this !!! :/

Withal, which part of NASA fakes stuff you couldn't understand ?! :\

Can you plz enlighten my ignorance by explaining the following phenomenon from a heliocentric point of view ?!




سلام

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General Discussions / Re: Geocentrism and Flat Earth in Quran II

« on: January 08, 2016, 02:43:07 AM »

Dear Hassan,

I have presented you with a scientific paper testifying that 121,000 ft is OVER the required altitude SQUARED ! As such, i recommend you actually read it, if you wish to correct your misconception.

As for the layered image you picked from the untrustworthy, freemasonic NASA who fake pictures and videos, well IT'S FAKE !!! The BG was clearly taken with a curvilinear lens :



& AGAIN, here's how the planate earth really looks like when seen aloft the ozone layer, over the Caucasus Mountains region :


Photograph by Denis Efremov © 2015 Project AirPano (Flight to Stratosphere)

As FLAT as a CARPET !

If you wish to ignore/belie evidence (from reality and the Quran) out of confirmation bias, then be my guest; reject the Truth for the sake of charlatans and freemasons ! To ye your judgment and deeds, and to me mine.

سلام

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General Discussions / Re: Geocentrism and Flat Earth in Quran II

« on: January 07, 2016, 11:05:26 PM »

1)Do you hold to the believe  that the earth is flat and geocentric from a theological perspective or from a scientific/astrological perspective?

This is a loaded question !

In my book, there are no contradictions between the Qurān and Reality.
Both lead to a stable, planate earth.

2)If even satellite images from NASA and the ISS aren't enough to convince you, then what more proof would like us to over?

Sorry but pictures/videos from the suspect/s (Freemasonic NASA and other government “space agencies”) cannot be accepted in my court. As already pointed out, these fake stuff - and thus are not worthy of trust.

3)What proof do you have with respect to your view (i.e. the earth is flat and geocentric)?

Earth's flatness/levelness is an observable, living fact.



The reason you belie your eyes is because you were conditioned since childhood to believe it's a ball, when according to both scripture and empirical evidence it's not !

Wake up, people !

And what makes those "proofs" any more credible than the ones we offer?

Here's an example of a credible, genuine evidence.

Take into consideration that - from a scientific point of view - 121,000 ft is waaay above the required altitude.

Let there be light !

سلام

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General Discussions / Re: Geocentrism and Flat Earth in Quran II

« on: January 07, 2016, 05:33:38 PM »

And, plz stop attacking my persona by calling me a "troll" when you can't even find a single qurānic evidence in support of your imaginary "spinning ball" ! Mind you, resorting to ad hominem won't make the things you say anymore valid.

Salute

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General Discussions / Re: Geocentrism and Flat Earth in Quran II

« on: January 07, 2016, 05:13:35 PM »

The delusive picture you provided cannot be accepted as genuine evidence of a "ball-earth" simply because it suffers from distortion, an optical aberration. This is caused by rolling shutter.

Nice try @Mariyah !

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General Discussions / Re: Geocentrism and Flat Earth in Quran II

« on: January 06, 2016, 09:09:22 PM »

I'll try to address each of your questions and invalid arguments as soon as possible. I'm kind of busy right now ... Untill then,

Here's how the earth really looks like from the Ozon layer (Stratosphere) :


Image captured over the region of the Caucasus Mountains


As FLAT as a CARPET !

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General Discussions / Re: Geocentrism and Flat Earth in Quran II

« on: January 06, 2016, 03:16:24 AM »

Salaam hichman9,

Salaam hichman9,

Salaam hichman9,

Why do you keep on calling me "hichman," brother Hassan ?!

Sister Mariyah got it right ... You got it wrong thrice !!! Perhaps you can't read well ! :/

Or, is it you're intentionally mispelling my name (out of arrogance), huh ?! :\/

In any case, my name is hicham, Arabic: هشام (spelled: he-shām)
From the Arabian/shemitic verbal-root هشم - to crush.

Put it a ring in your ears, if you wish to speak to me, sir.

Thank you.

سلام
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Islamic Duties / Re: Can verse 30:17 refers Maghrib prayer? (tum'sūna)

« on: January 05, 2016, 06:08:51 PM »

May be you are quranist that I assume.

If by "quranist" you mean a maverick, independent thinker that doesn't mix andor foist the sunni corpus of apocryphal anecdotes upon the Quran, then yes! I happen to be one - thou, i would rather proclaim myself to be a hanif muslim, as this is what the Quran taught me, personally.

سلام

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General Discussions / Re: Geocentrism and Flat Earth in Quran II

« on: January 05, 2016, 04:19:25 PM »

Again @Mia, I'm yet to see you (or brother Hasson) provide ONE single passage whereof the author gives mention of your imaginary "spinning ball" !!! Ye just claim the Qurān supports heliocentrism without evidence, when the textus clearly advocates a non-rotating flat earth, and never makes mention of moving, ball-shaped earth ! So, where's you scriptural evidence ?!

Also, images can be easily manipulated/faked using a photo editing application (like photoshop), if ye cannot understand this simple fact, then i see no need no continue this discussion.

Thank you

سلام

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General Discussions / Re: Geocentrism and Flat Earth in Quran II

« on: January 05, 2016, 08:11:09 AM »

Typo (443,000 mi)

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General Discussions / Re: Geocentrism and Flat Earth in Quran II

« on: January 05, 2016, 07:28:09 AM »

Another fake composite image by NASA, purportedly taken 443 miles above the earth !