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General Discussions / Re: Re: Wearing trouser/pants below ankle! & Code 19

« on: February 05, 2016, 10:13:56 AM »

Salaam good logic

You asked

1-Why is the "Basmallah" missing from surah 9 ?

I share mia666's answer when she said the following: why should the fact that "Bismillah" is missing mean this surah is manipulated? Allah advises us against perversely pursuing ambiguities like this one. And yet you continue to do so

You also asked:

Do you believe Qoran is the word of GOD?How/ Why?

The Quran, in several verses, asks us to ponder over its message and perceive the truth of what it says. It is the truth of the Quran that is ultimately what should be used to convince someone; and it's that same truth which will convince one of its originality/authenticity. Furthermore, the Quran clearly makes the claim in several places that it is not the work of a man and in fact challenges those who do not accept its authenticity to produce something similar:

“And if you are in doubt regarding what we have sent down to our servant then come up with a sura like it and call upon your witnesses other than God if you are honest. Thus if you do not, and surely you cannot, then be mindful of the fire whose fuel are people and stones [which is] promised for disbelievers.” [Quran 2:23]

Therefore, the Quran does not need mere humans or some code to vouch for its authenticity.

I also agree with what brother Jospeh Islam has said with regards to that Question:

https://m.facebook.com/joseph.a.islam/posts/217054775098324
https://m.facebook.com/joseph.a.islam/posts/216314685172333

Peace.

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General Discussions / Re: Re: Wearing trouser/pants below ankle! & Code 19

« on: February 04, 2016, 03:44:21 PM »

Salaam good logic,

First, apologies in advance to mia666 for failing to failing to heed her request that stick to the original topic of this post.

My answer to your question is simply this:
وَيَقولونَ لَولا أُنزِلَ عَلَيهِ ءايَةٌ مِن رَبِّهِ فَقُل إِنَّمَا الغَيبُ لِلَّهِ فَانتَظِروا إِنّى مَعَكُم مِنَ المُنتَظِرينَ
[Qoran 10:20] They say, "How come no sign/ miracle came down to him from his Lord?" Say, "The future belongs to God; so wait, and I am waiting along with you."

So the future is now, Technology+ Science +Mathematics is ready to check GOD s message.

With all due respect, that verse fails to answer my previously asked questions: 1)Why Allah will allow this (i.e two wrongful verses to be added into the Quran), and 2) On what grounds can you assurt that this was part of God's master plan?

Furthermore, the pronoun they (in the verse you cited) seems to be referring to both categories of deniers of the truth spoken of in the preceding passages (i.e the atheists or agnostics) "who do not believe that they are destined to meet God", as well as those who, while believing in God, "ascribe a share in His divinity" to all manner of imaginary intercessors or mediators.

With regards to the other verse which you've cited, how did you reach (from that verse) the conclusion that GOD tells us that the "book" of Moses also had a code , i.e a proof that it was from GOD? That verse reads as follows:

"Say, "Have you considered: if the Qur'an was from Allah , and you disbelieved in it while a witness from the Children of Israel has testified to something similar and believed while you were arrogant... ?" Indeed, Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people." [Quran 46:10]

I see no mention of a code in this verse.

Peace.

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General Discussions / Re: Husband in Hereafter and other questions - Please clear it

« on: February 04, 2016, 03:19:24 PM »

Salaam Anjum,

Sorry for the late response but I wish to answer the following Question that you've raised in your first post.

You asked:

I wanted to know...about hereafter ...people say that...we will meet our family of world in hereafter too...but some said...that...we will find husband or wife in hereafter...does that mean that...my current husband wont be my husband in hereafter?

I was able to find the following verse from the Quran which says that you will, indeed, meet your husband (and all righteous family members) in heaven:

"Gardens of perpetual residence; they will enter along with whoever were righteous among their fathers, their spouses and their descendants. And the angels will enter upon them from every gate, [saying]: 'Peace be upon you for what you patiently endured. And excellent is the final home.'" [Quran 13:23-24]

Hope that helps.
Peace.

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Women / Re: Women Modest Dress Example

« on: February 04, 2016, 09:14:42 AM »

Salaam mia666,

You said:

Also, I have to say that it is very sad how "modest" dressing is only stressed for women. It's like men can walk around and look at women and do whatever perverted things they want, and it's always the women's fault--because they were dressed "inappropriately". Sigh.

To the contrary, a certain manner of dressing and cooperation is prescribed for both genders in 24:30-31. Men are equally responsible for dealing with themselves. In addition to this, they should be able to control themselves. Looking at a woman's hair should not make them do bad things. If it does, then they should see a doctor. It's that simple.

What you say is absolutely true. The burden/responsibility of dressing modestly must be shared by both parties; men are just as responsible to dress modestly so as to not sexually arouse a woman (not being his wife) as women are so as to not sexually arouse a man (not being her husband). In fact, this (responsibility being shared by both parties) is what the Quran demands when in 24:30-31 it instructs BOTH men AND women to lower their gaze and dress modestly (neither placing all the burden/responsibility on the women nor on the men). Therefore, men have just as much duty/responsibility to cover what may appear lustful (to women). Any revealing parts which may cause undue attention should be covered by both parties.

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General Discussions / Re: Islam is Not for Non-Arabs: Al-Quran

« on: February 03, 2016, 12:08:53 PM »

Salaam Rosli,

The the author of that writing made the following claim:

Not once the Quran mentions far-off  phenomena like volcanoes, ice sheets or frozen rivers and lakes.

This is a foolish argument, in my opinoin. As I have alluded to on a previouse thread: The Quran is neither a book of history nor of science; it is book of guidance. Its subject matter is not to record or present history of humanity or of a certain people. The purpose of its revelation is also not to teach people science of the things that they can explore and learn on their own through observation, experimentation, and trial/error. Its subject matter is guidance – teaching human being how to live in this world so that they have the most optimum personality (individually) and the most optimum society (collectively) in this world and so that they will be successful in the Hereafter. hence why one find a lack of mention of the things the author mentioned.
Furthermore, the Quran does speak of the universe (the moon, the sun, Jinn, etc) which would constitute far-off phenomenons.

It is only natural that the Arabs are the ones who determine the meanings of the Quran and the direction of Islam; the rest of the Muslim umma (nations) just follow.

not necessarialy. Any individual who is well versed in the langugae of the Quran can give their opinions on Quranic verses.

With respect of the authors interchangeable usage of the terms messenger and prophet, I agree with what brother Hamzeh has said.

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Women / Re: Women Modest Dress Example

« on: February 03, 2016, 08:40:48 AM »

Salaam Sstikstof,

With regards to head covering I agree with what Joseph Islam has shared in the following article when he stated that
the Arabic word ‘Khumur’ (which is usually cited in the Quran as proof for such requirement) does not simply imply a head-covering for women as commonly understood in its modern day usage. Rather its primary meaning is to conceal or to cover. A veil is an example of such covering but it is not restricted to it.
 
http://quransmessage.com/articles/a%20deeper%20look%20at%20the%20word%20khimar%20FM3.htm

http://quransmessage.com/articles/hijaab%20FM3.htm

I would also like to ask the proponents of head coverings (if any are present on this forum): Why the need to cover the hair? What sexual attraction does the hair of a woman have? Are we to seriously believe that the site of a woman’s hair sexually arouses a man?

Peace.

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General Discussions / Re: Islam is Not for Non-Arabs: Al-Quran

« on: February 02, 2016, 01:44:20 PM »

Salaam Rosli,

Allow me to first say welcome to the forum. Were're glad to have you here. I hope your knowledge and wisdom will be of much benefit to us, and ours to you.

Now, unto your question. I was unable to open any of the links you've provided, so I can't really refute each one of the arguments the author has set forth. But the following link I shared makes, in my opinion, a clear case for the argument that the Quran is meant for ALL of mankind and not just for the Arabs. Please have a look at it:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran_for_mankind.htm

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General Discussions / Re: Disturbing Questions

« on: February 02, 2016, 01:29:37 PM »

Salaam mia666,

Hassan: Are you still in this discussion?

Apologies. I have been burden with school work, as of late. But, with regards to this particular discussin, I have already shared my views; unless you had any follow-ups to my answer/s.....
 

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General Discussions / Re: Re: Wearing trouser/pants below ankle! & Code 19

« on: February 02, 2016, 06:51:04 AM »

Salaam good logic,

The obvious response, for me, to all that you wrote, would be:

If we are to accept the argument that two false verses were added to the Quran, why then did God allow to happen?

To which you gave the following response/answer:

The addition of these false verses is in accordance with God’s master plan.

To which I would follow up by asking what proof, if any, do you have to back up that assertion (i.e. God allowed it to happen as part of His master plan)?

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General Discussions / Re: Program of Creation of Man on Earth, in light of Quran.

« on: January 28, 2016, 06:53:14 PM »

I will take A look at the article you cited me and will then raise any concerns/question/disagreements I may have with it.

However like the vast majority of people you've been mislead by articles such as this

With all due respect, I can say the same of you.

I think it helps to understand what the facts are first before going on to making speculations about what may/may not have happened in the past which we have no idea of proving beyond doubt.

There exists a contradiction in that statement. If there can be no way of proving past event beyond a doubt, then how can we truly know what the facts are? Furthermore, If we (can have) no why of proving past events then that not only dismisses my argument but it dismiss your as well, and makes both our theories and understandings nothing more than mere speculations.

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General Discussions / Re: First and last verse revealed to Prophet(PBUH)

« on: January 28, 2016, 01:15:59 PM »

Salaam Be Kind,

Thank you for sharing that with us. And welcome to the forum. I hope your knowledge and wisdom will be of a benefit to us, and ours to you.

They can't even tell clearly which verses were revealed first and last but they will tell you what the prophet said and done

Well said.

Peace.

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General Discussions / Re: Program of Creation of Man on Earth, in light of Quran.

« on: January 28, 2016, 01:12:54 PM »

How do planets/stars/asteroids etc. form?

I think the following two sites will suffice

How stars form:
http://www.universetoday.com/24190/how-does-a-star-form/

How planets form:
http://hubblesite.org/hubble_discoveries/discovering_planets_beyond/how-do-planets-form

Forgive me for asking, but do you by any chance adhere to the young earth creationist view of with regards to the age of the earth and universe? If yes, what theory, if any, do you have with respect to the 'true' age of the earth/universe?

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General Discussions / Re: Program of Creation of Man on Earth, in light of Quran.

« on: January 27, 2016, 02:02:40 PM »

Salaam mia666,

You said:

I have an actual question about this. The earth's age is 1/3 the age of the universe (4.5 bil years vs. 13.5 bil years).

"Say: Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in TWO Days
     And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds.
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     He set on the (earth), mountains standing firm, high above it,
     and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measured therein all things
4    to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR Days
     in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek (Sustenance).

     Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky,
     and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth:
     "Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly."
     They said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience."
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2    So He completed them as seven firmaments in TWO Days,
     and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command.
     And We adorned the lower heaven with lights,
     and (provided it) with guard.
     Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge. "
                                            -- Sura 41:9-12 (Yusuf Ali)


The Quran says the earth was created in 2 periods and it took 6 days to create the whole universe. This fits with what we know about the age of the universe.

However, it says the earth's sustenance was "measured in FOUR days." I think this could mean its sustenance was PREDETERMINED before any of it was created, and these 4 days occurred BEFORE the heavens and the earth were actually created. This would make more sense than saying the earth's sustenance was created in 4 out of the 6 days, right?

What do you think of this interpretation?

I concur with the/a answer given by a former member of this forum when he/she said the following about the above:

This verse does not use the conjunction "then", it uses "and" so it is not saying that after he created the earth he put mountains on it etc.. Rather he is saying that he created the Earth in two days and he placed mountains and he blessed it and..etc. There is no "then". He is just describing his creation.

Furthermore, Allah determined the creatures sustenance in four days. This does not mean that he took 2 days to create the Earth and then another 4 in sustaining the Earth. This is because of the lack of usage of "then" or "thumma".

Rather it means that Allah determined/measured/decreed the sustenance of creatures in 4 days.

Peace.

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General Discussions / Re: Program of Creation of Man on Earth, in light of Quran.

« on: January 27, 2016, 01:53:06 PM »

Salaam samson,

No I am not done with our discussion. School resumed, so I've been burden with school-work.

God-willing I shall cite you those sources I was referring to. Apologies for the wait.

In the mean time, have a look at this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dalrymple/scientific_age_earth.html

Peace.

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General Discussions / Re: Disturbing Questions

« on: January 26, 2016, 02:54:16 PM »

Salaam mia666,

I would now like to address your last question (question #3), since it's the easier of the two.

You asked:

If God is perfectly loving, then He should love evil people too, right?

The answer depends much on who you ask, and that persons perception of God, as all theists have a different perception of God. I am not sure about Christians and Jews, but if you were to ask a Muslim, his/her response would be: Indeed God is all loving, but His love is exclusively for the righteous folks; His love does not extend to the wrongdoer/s, as you've alluded to, except if they repent with sincerity and amend their ways.

As for question #2, I am going to need time to develop my thoughts on it.

Peace.