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General Discussions / Re: Disturbing Questions
« on: February 03, 2016, 06:26:24 AM »
Salam Samson and Truthseeker,

Aside from the debate about whether this pledge was actually taken, I do believe that young children without much of a sense of right and wrong are believers in God by nature. They don't really have their own will at this age to choose between genuine right and wrong, so whatever they do is God's will, which means they're submitting to God...if that makes sense?

Salam Hassan, you said you were going to comment on #2 once you got your thoughts together :)

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Prophets and Messengers / Re: What is the role of Prophet Jesus in Islam and other questions
« on: February 02, 2016, 07:58:20 AM »
Salam :D,

There's no reason you shouldn't wear the chain with your husband's name. I think you can have a chain with anyone's name on it, even your own. No prohibition there. :)

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General Discussions / Re: Do animals know right from wrong?
« on: February 02, 2016, 07:57:18 AM »
Plus, I love animals. They have souls and a life force just like we do, even if the type of their souls is different from ours.

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General Discussions / Re: Do animals know right from wrong?
« on: February 02, 2016, 07:55:54 AM »
Salam Sardar, :)

Respectfully, I don't agree with what you said, and I also disagree with some of the things I stated previously.

I stated that animals can't do anything wrong. Apparently, they actually can, which Jane Goodall noted in her research. Animals don't have the same accountability as humans, but they can be unkind and cruel for no good reason. It's rare, but it happens. Jane watched it happen with snotty chimpanzees who enjoyed excluding an older chimpanzee from their routines, apparently out of sheer spite.

Secondly: The Quran says animals praise God in much the same way humans do. Then why shouldn't their faith get tested as well? They don't have the same type of consciousness as people do, of course, but they do have some. And they have loyalty and sacrifice, (i.e. dogs). Why shouldn't they get tested and rewarded in ways that suit animals?

God is just. He doesn't make animals suffer for no reason. He compensates and rewards (and sometimes punishes) them just like humans.

I recognize that the above statements might sound preposterous to someone who doesn't have prior knowledge about this issue, but if you think about it, it does make sense. :)

Mia


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General Discussions / Re: Disturbing Questions
« on: February 02, 2016, 07:50:56 AM »
Salam :)

Thank you, sister Truthseeker. I agree, the pledge became part of our nature. Why do people always invent their own gods when they lack guidance? Because they want something to worship, of course. It's part of humans' nature to want to worship something.

Hassan: Are you still in this discussion? :)

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General Discussions / Re: Re: Wearing trouser/pants below ankle! & Code 19
« on: February 02, 2016, 07:48:35 AM »
Salam :)

First of all, I am going to do something very hypocritical here. I am going to tell everyone to get back on topic. 19 codes have nothing to do with fashion.

(I said that for political correctness.)

Now I am going to go on discussing the 19 code. (Sorry.) Good Logic: Doesn't the Quran say that God would guard it? If He was guarding it, how did 2 verses somehow get added to it for 1400 years, and we didn't discover it until now?

You might say that the only Quran that is "guarded" is the one on divine tablets in the sky. However, the Quran says "we have sent down the Quran and indeed, We shall be its guardians."

So the Quran being referred to in this verse is the one that was sent down to humanity.

The 19 code makes some sense. I agree, there are too many coincidences for it to be fabricated, but calculations are not a method of verification of the Quran's authenticity. You can't just do calculations and declare verses to be false. You can seriously get in trouble for doing this. (With God, I mean.)

Plus, the 19 code has been debunked quite easily:

http://www.answering-christianity.com/19.htm

I must ask, what made you believe that running algorithms on a computer could determine which part of God's scripture was supposedly "false"? It just doesn't add up--literally.

And yes, some parts of the 19 code are impressive, but you are taking it too far. The Quran might have some type of numerical structure, but it doesn't warrant taking verses out.

I don't mean to incite arguments, and I don't completely disagree with the 19 miracle. I just want to make things clear--we don't take things out of the Quran without valid proof. Period.

Mariyah

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General Discussions / Re: Do animals know right from wrong?
« on: February 01, 2016, 04:10:38 AM »
Salam Sardar,

Please cite your references for that statement. The verses I displayed above seem to indicate that animals DO have free will and they WILL be answerable for their actions.

Mia

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General Discussions / Re: Do animals know right from wrong?
« on: February 01, 2016, 01:20:09 AM »
Also, verses 24:41 and 22:18 say that animals have their own method of praising God, and they will be gathered to their Lord to answer for what they have done. However, I don't understand this since animals don't seem to have the ability to do anything wrong.

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General Discussions / Do animals know right from wrong?
« on: January 31, 2016, 12:05:18 PM »
Salam everyone :)

I've noticed that animals do seem to have a sense of right and wrong. They sacrifice their own lives for their children and things like that.

 "And there is no creature on [or within] the earth or bird that flies with its wings except [that they are] communities like you. We have not neglected in the Register a thing. Then unto their Lord they will be gathered" ~ 6.38

This verse seems to indicate that animals are also tested on this earth. Animals might understand love and sacrifice, but they can't actually do anything wrong, can they? Lions only kill deer for food. This is not wrong. How can animals be tested if they can't do anything wrong?

Also, many animals suffer for no fault of their own. Even in prehistoric times when humans weren't around, animals were hurt by other animals. Why would this happen when animals cannot be "tested with suffering", per se?

God's justice extends to all things, including animals. However, I don't see the justice in making animals suffer when they cannot be tested.

What do you think?

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General Discussions / Re: Hifz al-Furūj (Guarding the Private Parts) evidance regarding verse 23:5-7
« on: January 30, 2016, 12:04:12 PM »
Salam

I don't want to argue about whether that certain thing is permissible (I hold it as highly disliked), but either way, I wanted to comment on something else you said. You seemed to agree that sex with slaves is allowed. However, upon closer examination of the Quranic narratives it appears that you have to be MARRIED to the slaves first, and give them their dowry, BEFORE any kind of sex. It seems that regular married women and slaves are given distinction in the Quran to signify that slaves can also be freed and married, apart from only marrying regular women.

Please see the below:

http://quransmessage.com/articles/sex%20with%20slave%20girls%20FM3.htm

And no, there's no specific support for the thing you brought up being haram, but I still don't think it's good. It seems highly undesirable and it gives people bad thoughts. I wouldn't unequivocally declare it prohibited, but you should stay away from it in my opinion (God knows best).

:)




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Prophets and Messengers / Re: What is the role of Prophet Jesus in Islam and other questions
« on: January 30, 2016, 11:56:29 AM »
Salam A.H.A., I kind of agree with your statement about ear piercing but not completely. It's probably allowed, but it seems to have a negative connotation. The Quran advises against changing God's creation in a way that is harmful. When you get your ears pierced, you're basically putting a hole in your own body for no particular reason. It may be a cultural practice, but it's really not necessary.

I have my ears pierced, by the way, but I wouldn't want to get it done on my hypothetical children, especially when they're babies. It seems like I'd be violating them unethically since they can't give consent--even if it's not a big deal. Anyway, I also need to read the Jesus articles, since I'm not completely sure what happened with him. Thank you for citing them :) ~ Mia

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Prophets and Messengers / Re: What is the role of Prophet Jesus in Islam and other questions
« on: January 29, 2016, 09:44:18 PM »
Even I'm confused about Jesus in the Quran, but I can answer your last few questions. Bracelets and such are allowed as per 24:31. Only adornment/ornaments that unnecessarily make a show of sexual beauty are problematic. "What appears naturally" can be shown according to the Quran.

Your ears are already pierced, so there's not much you can do about it. However I think it's disliked because "slitting the ears of the cattle" is bad in the Quran, so doing the same with humans must also be bad. I think you can wear earrings since the piercing is already there, but don't get your kids' ears pierced.

Hope this helps :)

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General Discussions / Re: Disturbing Questions
« on: January 29, 2016, 01:04:55 PM »
And God knows best btw, that was just my understanding

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General Discussions / Re: Program of Creation of Man on Earth, in light of Quran.
« on: January 29, 2016, 01:04:20 PM »
Salam :)

I'm not entirely sure what Hassan and Samson are debating about, but anyway, I'm not here ro comment on that :D ... I just wanted to reply to Hassan's interpretation. It seems like it agrees with mine, and the actual sequence of events is not specified in this verse. This seems like intentional vagueness and is not incidental. Just a thought

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General Discussions / Re: Mary or Miriam? Contradiction?
« on: January 29, 2016, 12:57:33 PM »
I like the usage of the hadith in this context. Hadiths have no religious authority, but that doesn't mean that they are inventions of Satan. They can be used for historical context and explanations when needed. Yay Quran-centric ;)

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